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Post#61 » by ebott » Sun Aug 21, 2022 5:32 am

Case2012 wrote:Even though Durant misses time every season, when he plays he's at an MVP level. He's a 7'0 sniper on 50/40/90 efficiency. Even if we trade every asset we have and are left with this..

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That still gets us into the playoffs and it's pretty good offensively and defensively and we're still set up to build the team around that core next season with vets hungry for a ring. At 33 and 35, Dame and Durant would still be one of the most dangerous scoring duos in the league.


I'd be real curious to see how that team would do. We might not have much of a future after Dame and KD retire but before then it'd be interesting to see how far the two of them can get.
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Post#62 » by GEE » Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:14 am

All I can say is, I love what Jody has done, and she deserves some PROPS. Hiring Cronin has been pretty good so far. In less than one year's time, he has made some HUGE positive changes to this team, starting with the Chauncey hire, which I, like many others, was very skeptical of, and technically happened under Olshey since it took soo long to fire him... But with Scott Brooks and the other quality assistant coaches he has put around him, It will be a HUGE change from the Stotts era. Also worth mentioning was the hiring of that wizard of a scout guy, and the changing of the guard with the medical/training staff... Smart.

The roster looks nicely balanced with quality talent 1 through 15. No addition of a Super-Lame-Star Talent like Durrant, but I don't want him at his cost: In trade, locker room distraction and drama. Plus without him, Dame remains the leader of this team and not second fiddle. Quite happy with what we've assembled with a fairly complete overhaul in less than one year's time. A very healthy mix of Veterans, younger player and an addition of two very intriguing rookies.

There has been a great deal of change all around, with new ownership even being seriously discussed just months ago. All n' All... two more months and we get to see a very new product on the floor. Can't wait!

G: Dame / Simons / (GP2)
F: Hart / Grant / (Winslow) / (Little)
C: Nurkic / (Eubanks) / (Watford)

Great Young Depth: Williams / Sharpe / Keon / Walker / GB3

I really like what we have built, and honestly feel this roster can and will give opposing teams nightmares. 4th Seed!!!
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Post#63 » by Goldbum » Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:47 am

We've got a lot of guys who could possibly be that starting SF. The season is going to hang on whether anyone of them is the answer. Little could pop and cause us to forget about OG, Walker could develop and be that big switchable guy that plays d, hits the 3 and rebounds while finding open teammates and punishing teams that go small. Or none could pop and we are left forcing Hart or even Sharpe to start at SF and we count lotto balls all year... Either way what a ride
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Post#64 » by Bigpoppapomp82 » Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:35 pm

I think we have improved and are trending in the right direction. If the following happens we could continue trend in the right direction. The fact that Cronin didn't offer too much for OG and swung for the fences with Sharpe makes me happy as Olshey never pulled the trigger on big rolls of the dice. All I can ask for is that they take calculated risks to bring a Championship to the Rose City!

Healthy Dame all season
Ant keeps making progress
Nas finally stays healthy and takes an Ant like jump (Starting SF)
Trendon becomes a solid 4/5 backup
Grant is ok with being the 3rd/4th option and embraces it
Nurk stays healthy and engaged all season

Wildcards are Jabari & Sharpe - Anything we get from them this season is a bonus. Playing time for Sharpe will be important. Learning under Dame, Ant and Billups could speed up his timeline.

Do I think they are done building the roster? No still flexibility to make tweaks here or there. I believe Hart could be dealt at the deadline and wishful that the Blazers trade Nurk but not confident in that at all. Also Winslow will for sure be dealt at the deadline.
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Post#65 » by DeBlazerRiddem » Mon Aug 22, 2022 8:27 pm

I'll be honest, I am having trouble getting real excited about this roster. Our only real chance IMO is to play harder than the other team almost every single night. Be prepared for some real glass-half-empty sentiments coming up, I just cant get myself out of that type thinking after last season.

I do think Damian is going to come back stronger than ever and the league needs to watch out, but still any team he is the best player on will be fighting an uphill battle come the playoffs.

Ant has a ton he needs to prove this season. It's one thing to put up stats on a team going nowhere with no expectations but to do so on a winning team while deferring to Lillard is a different beast. Plus he needs to shore up his defense to earn that contract IMO, there are just too many microwave scorers in this league to be spending $25 million dollars a year on a guy who plays one side of the court.

Grant hopefully doesn't take too much of a step backwards, since he is in a contract year hopefully we get the best of him and he makes an adequate 3rd option and two way player.

Nurkic is also OK as kind of 4th-ish option who plays both sides of the court but with our backup situation if he gets a season ending injury that is a season ender for us as well. And a healthy Nurkic is still not a good enough player to pin all hopes of success on like we could do with Lillard.

Hart, I prefer him off the bench but I guess as a 5th option starter he isn't terrible, but he's not particularly great at anything besides rebounding. So I just feel underwhelmed by our starting 5, only 1 of them is super high level and the other 4 we are hoping are better than they have been and can out work and out hustle the other team.

Backup guards of Payton and Johnson kind of lack offense. I guess that's maybe OK because our starters are all offense but boy would I rather have well rounded players than two offensive and two defensive minded players.

Our forwards look like a collection of JAGs. I seem to be way further down on Nas than others, who I think are projecting him to take a major step forward this season whereas I haven't seen evidence that is in the cards. Watson, Eubanks and Winslow are a big yawn from me, 3rd stringers masquerading as 2nd stringers. Walker and Sharpe are rookies that I expect take a while to develop, yeah Walker had a good summer league but he is still a second round rookie and unlikely to do much this season for us. Didi, Brown and Hughes are pretty much useless for winning basketball, although I'll give Brown a nod that he has the tools to develop into more but the other two I have zero hope for and would dump them for a ham sandwich.


Hopefully I am very very wrong about everything above, I would love nothing more than to be proven horribly wrong. But at the moment I cant help but feel any success we have will be as an underdog because we out hustle and out work the other team and that is a tenuous path to success over an 82 game season and 16+ game postseason where talent almost always wins out. We are going to be fighting against our fate the entire season and so it all depends on our mental fortitude.
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Post#66 » by DaVoiceMaster » Wed Aug 24, 2022 1:12 am

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:I'll be honest, I am having trouble getting real excited about this roster. Our only real chance IMO is to play harder than the other team almost every single night. Be prepared for some real glass-half-empty sentiments coming up, I just cant get myself out of that type thinking after last season.

I do think Damian is going to come back stronger than ever and the league needs to watch out, but still any team he is the best player on will be fighting an uphill battle come the playoffs.

Ant has a ton he needs to prove this season. It's one thing to put up stats on a team going nowhere with no expectations but to do so on a winning team while deferring to Lillard is a different beast. Plus he needs to shore up his defense to earn that contract IMO, there are just too many microwave scorers in this league to be spending $25 million dollars a year on a guy who plays one side of the court.

Grant hopefully doesn't take too much of a step backwards, since he is in a contract year hopefully we get the best of him and he makes an adequate 3rd option and two way player.

Nurkic is also OK as kind of 4th-ish option who plays both sides of the court but with our backup situation if he gets a season ending injury that is a season ender for us as well. And a healthy Nurkic is still not a good enough player to pin all hopes of success on like we could do with Lillard.

Hart, I prefer him off the bench but I guess as a 5th option starter he isn't terrible, but he's not particularly great at anything besides rebounding. So I just feel underwhelmed by our starting 5, only 1 of them is super high level and the other 4 we are hoping are better than they have been and can out work and out hustle the other team.

Backup guards of Payton and Johnson kind of lack offense. I guess that's maybe OK because our starters are all offense but boy would I rather have well rounded players than two offensive and two defensive minded players.

Our forwards look like a collection of JAGs. I seem to be way further down on Nas than others, who I think are projecting him to take a major step forward this season whereas I haven't seen evidence that is in the cards. Watson, Eubanks and Winslow are a big yawn from me, 3rd stringers masquerading as 2nd stringers. Walker and Sharpe are rookies that I expect take a while to develop, yeah Walker had a good summer league but he is still a second round rookie and unlikely to do much this season for us. Didi, Brown and Hughes are pretty much useless for winning basketball, although I'll give Brown a nod that he has the tools to develop into more but the other two I have zero hope for and would dump them for a ham sandwich.


Hopefully I am very very wrong about everything above, I would love nothing more than to be proven horribly wrong. But at the moment I cant help but feel any success we have will be as an underdog because we out hustle and out work the other team and that is a tenuous path to success over an 82 game season and 16+ game postseason where talent almost always wins out. We are going to be fighting against our fate the entire season and so it all depends on our mental fortitude.


I almost didnt And 1 ya due to the GB3 comments. I don't think he amounts to anything. He's out of control most of the time. If he can harness that energy, perhaps he can be a useful SF. I dont see him as a PF.
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Post#67 » by Norm2953 » Wed Aug 24, 2022 4:55 am

It'll be interesting to see how Cronin views this team and what he does at the trade deadline for Portland
has major decisions to make with Hart, Grant up for extensions and Simons/Nurkic untradeable until
January 15. Once again, we've got too few players making too much money clogging the roster on a
team that is not a playoff contender.
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Post#68 » by m0ng0 » Wed Aug 24, 2022 5:50 am

Thank God the Durant nonsense is over and we can get back to reality. We are what we are and that is pretty thin in the front court, one injury could sink us...let's hope we stay healthy.
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Post#69 » by BNM » Wed Aug 24, 2022 5:07 pm

m0ng0 wrote:Thank God the Durant nonsense is over and we can get back to reality. We are what we are and that is pretty thin in the front court, one injury could sink us...let's hope we stay healthy.


Here's a list of currently available free argent centers:

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No ideal, but if we have an injury we can always pick up one of these retreads. My first choice would be Dwight Howard, for his defense and rebounding. The list also doesn't include Aldridge or Millsap. who are listed as PF/C. However, they are both pretty cooked.
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Post#70 » by Case2012 » Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:50 pm

I want Cousins on the roster so bad. If it wasn’t for his injuries he’d still be an all nba level player imo. Regardless, he’s still an incredibly skilled and high IG player.
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Post#71 » by DaVoiceMaster » Sat Aug 27, 2022 12:08 am

Case2012 wrote:I want Cousins on the roster so bad. If it wasn’t for his injuries he’d still be an all nba level player imo. Regardless, he’s still an incredibly skilled and high IG player.


If we're playing that game, I want Roy and Oden on the roster so bad. If it wasn't for their injuries, they'd still be an all NBA level players imo. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post#72 » by HoopsFanAZ » Sun Aug 28, 2022 6:19 pm

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DeBlazerRiddem wrote: […] Our only real chance IMO is to play harder than the other team almost every single night.

Ant has a ton he needs to prove this season. It's one thing to put up stats on a team going nowhere with no expectations but to do so on a winning team while deferring to Lillard is a different beast. Plus he needs to shore up his defense to earn that contract IMO, there are just too many microwave scorers in this league to be spending $25 million dollars a year on a guy who plays one side of the court.

Grant hopefully doesn't take too much of a step backwards, since he is in a contract year hopefully we get the best of him and he makes an adequate 3rd option and two way player.

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Backup guards of Payton and Johnson kind of lack offense. I guess that's maybe OK because our starters are all offense but boy would I rather have well rounded players than two offensive and two defensive minded players.

Our forwards look like a collection of JAGs. I seem to be way further down on Nas than others, who I think are projecting him to take a major step forward this season whereas I haven't seen evidence that is in the cards. Watson, Eubanks and Winslow are a big yawn from me, 3rd stringers masquerading as 2nd stringers. Walker and Sharpe are rookies that I expect take a while to develop, yeah Walker had a good summer league but he is still a second round rookie and unlikely to do much this season for us. Didi, Brown and Hughes are pretty much useless for winning basketball, although I'll give Brown a nod that he has the tools to develop into more but the other two I have zero hope for and would dump them for a ham sandwich.

Hopefully I am very very wrong about everything above, I would love nothing more than to be proven horribly wrong. But at the moment I cant help but feel any success we have will be as an underdog because we out hustle and out work the other team and that is a tenuous path to success over an 82 game season and 16+ game postseason where talent almost always wins out. We are going to be fighting against our fate the entire season and so it all depends on our mental fortitude.


I almost didnt And 1 ya due to the GB3 comments. I don't think he amounts to anything. He's out of control most of the time. If he can harness that energy, perhaps he can be a useful SF. I dont see him as a PF.


[edited for length on the re-quotes]

Reasonable statements with some differences IMHO. The number of questions about players is MANY. And significant.

Simons as the starting SG is the biggest. It’s not a concern or a problem to me … in the final year of LMA, CJ showed glimpses and then blew up on a new, less talented roster. Simons showed more than glimpses. And he knows better D is necessary where CJ only has being a veteran to save him from being thoroughly craptastic at that end. I’m much more optimistic about Simons than back then with CJ.

GB3 has little path to minutes even on the Blazers. Absolutely agree on harnessing the energy — he has to commit as a defensive stopper and fast … he’s getting passed up. In contrast, the offense of GP2 was actually shown on Golden State. The question is whether the Blazers will use him according to his strengths on PnR, the corner 3, and at the rim … which has to be a yes at least with the starters … with Nurkic and with guys who want to share the ball.

Grant as an unknown on the Blazers is one I look forward to. How good is the question. The bigger question is Little in beast mode, ready to leave dings behind him, and earn a 2nd contract. Hart (as a more proven and versatile rotation player with a year then a p-opt) is headed towards his (likely) final prime years contract, so he has all reasons for motivation … and like Winslow’s contract is a realistic nightly audition. Good that they are pros.

There are ‘hard hats and lunch pail’ guys on this team who can play. And they’re young and with a less experienced coach who values those kinda guys. It’s truly an interesting situation to see develop. [Walker and Sharpe both have runways to playing time in the next year which make trade possibilities for others more likely.]

Due to what others have said (and IMHO), predicting a 7-9 finish is reasonable. However, if the questions go the way I’d guess they will, then 5-7 is about right.
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Post#73 » by Case2012 » Sun Aug 28, 2022 8:18 pm

DaVoiceMaster wrote:
Case2012 wrote:I want Cousins on the roster so bad. If it wasn’t for his injuries he’d still be an all nba level player imo. Regardless, he’s still an incredibly skilled and high IG player.


If we're playing that game, I want Roy and Oden on the roster so bad. If it wasn't for their injuries, they'd still be an all NBA level players imo. :lol: :lol: :lol:


YEAH AND LETS BRING BACK BILL WALTON TOO HAHA.

Was that really necessary? Cousins showed he was still very good last year on Denver and he’s the same age as Dame. He’s a few steps slower but very skilled still.
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Post#74 » by m0ng0 » Sun Aug 28, 2022 11:10 pm

If Nurk plays like this we could have a shot

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Post#75 » by DaVoiceMaster » Mon Aug 29, 2022 5:12 am

Case2012 wrote:
DaVoiceMaster wrote:
Case2012 wrote:I want Cousins on the roster so bad. If it wasn’t for his injuries he’d still be an all nba level player imo. Regardless, he’s still an incredibly skilled and high IG player.


If we're playing that game, I want Roy and Oden on the roster so bad. If it wasn't for their injuries, they'd still be an all NBA level players imo. :lol: :lol: :lol:


YEAH AND LETS BRING BACK BILL WALTON TOO HAHA.

Was that really necessary? Cousins showed he was still very good last year on Denver and he’s the same age as Dame. He’s a few steps slower but very skilled still.


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Post#76 » by mighty_duck » Mon Aug 29, 2022 4:00 pm

m0ng0 wrote:If Nurk plays like this we could have a shot

Nice move!
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Post#77 » by zzaj » Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:23 pm

It won't happen for a couple of reasons, but I actually think Dwight could be a help here. He provides something a little different than what Nurkic can give.
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Post#78 » by BNM » Mon Aug 29, 2022 9:49 pm

zzaj wrote:It won't happen for a couple of reasons, but I actually think Dwight could be a help here. He provides something a little different than what Nurkic can give.


I'd take either Dwight (first choice) or Whiteside as a back up center off the bench. I found Whiteside frustrating, at times, as a starter, but he (as well as Dwight) has seemed to accept that his days as a starter (barring injury to someone else) are over. He played well backing up Gobert last season and both him and Dwight are solid 16 - 20 MPG back up centers at this point.

Both are great rebounders and provide an inside presence on both ends. Dwight has more mental toughness and isn't as horrible defending the pick and roll as Whiteside. That's why he would be my first choice, but it may also be why someone else snaps him up sooner.
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Post#79 » by Case2012 » Mon Aug 29, 2022 10:10 pm

I think cutting Didi is simply getting under the tax because that's what the blazers do, especially under Jody. It's so confounding how we'll over pay our players but do anything to stay under the tax. Obviously we aren't contenders so I get it, but still it just shows the blazers aren't serious about fielding the best roster possible.

If I'm wrong, I would like to see Melo return as a locker room mentor or a spot up shooter of the bench. It would be cool if he ended his career in Portland.

If not him, either cousins or Howard would be awesome as a second or third string center.
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Post#80 » by zzaj » Mon Aug 29, 2022 10:14 pm

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zzaj wrote:It won't happen for a couple of reasons, but I actually think Dwight could be a help here. He provides something a little different than what Nurkic can give.


I'd take either Dwight (first choice) or Whiteside as a back up center off the bench. I found Whiteside frustrating, at times, as a starter, but he (as well as Dwight) has seemed to accept that his days as a starter (barring injury to someone else) are over. He played well backing up Gobert last season and both him and Dwight are solid 16 - 20 MPG back up centers at this point.

Both are great rebounders and provide an inside presence on both ends. Dwight has more mental toughness and isn't as horrible defending the pick and roll as Whiteside. That's why he would be my first choice, but it may also be why someone else snaps him up sooner.


Yeah, hard to know if they'll simply punt on a young player rather than getting some experience in that position. Given Nurk's injury history it seems INSANE to me to go into the season with only him as a proven C. And yeah, for many of the reasons you mentioned...I'd go Dwight. I'll add that IMHO, it never seemed like Whiteside fit "culturally" here...

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