How Good Are The Jazz Right Now?

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How exactly are the Jazz supposed to have a "very good offense"?

For all the talk of Gobert's limited offense, the reality is that Utah's offense has been considerably better with him on the floor for years now (significantly so).

they're going to miss Gobert on both ends. they're gonna miss Snyder too.

they r going to be very dependant on Conley to make plays and he's 35, he played 70 games last season and hasn't exactly been the picture of health, it's more likely that he will miss more games this season and Pat Bev ain't gonna do squat offensively..

Gobert,Inlges,O'neal, Snyder..that's a whole system right there, takes time to implement a new system and integrate new pieces

Gay is washed, Bojan isn't getting any younger and this team is either in a semi-tank or in a full tank
Mitchell, Bojan, Conley etc. gonna keep them from being bad on offense, but anything more than an average offense will a surprise imo., Vanderbilt is very limited on offense, Azubuike is terrible

I just don't see it

Last year Jazz' offense was 117.4 with Gobert and 117.3 without Gobert(no. 1 in the league both with and without him)
2020-2021 120.3 vs 113.9 (113.9 would have been top 10 in the league)

People underestimate just how good Mitchell has been as an offensive force for the last few years.

You don't have to convince me about the importance of Gobert to this team on both ends, but IMO a team with shooters around Mitchell and Conley as secondary playmaker will do very well offensively.

[Scalabrine]

Depends on whether or not they trade Mitchell.

If they don't, they're a 30-39 win team. If they do, they're a <30 win team.

In this situation, they don't trade Mitchell.

[Big J]

I could see them making the playoffs. They are actually better off this way as opposed to when they had Gobert because teams can’t go small on them and put Rudy on an island anymore.

[Exp0sed]

How exactly are the Jazz supposed to have a "very good offense"?

For all the talk of Gobert's limited offense, the reality is that Utah's offense has been considerably better with him on the floor for years now (significantly so).

they're going to miss Gobert on both ends. they're gonna miss Snyder too.

they r going to be very dependant on Conley to make plays and he's 35, he played 70 games last season and hasn't exactly been the picture of health, it's more likely that he will miss more games this season and Pat Bev ain't gonna do squat offensively..

Gobert,Inlges,O'neal, Snyder..that's a whole system right there, takes time to implement a new system and integrate new pieces

Gay is washed, Bojan isn't getting any younger and this team is either in a semi-tank or in a full tank
Mitchell, Bojan, Conley etc. gonna keep them from being bad on offense, but anything more than an average offense will a surprise imo., Vanderbilt is very limited on offense, Azubuike is terrible

I just don't see it

Last year Jazz' offense was 117.4 with Gobert and 117.3 without Gobert(no. 1 in the league both with and without him)
2020-2021 120.3 vs 113.9 (113.9 would have been top 10 in the league)

People underestimate just how good Mitchell has been as an offensive force for the last few years.

You don't have to convince me about the importance of Gobert to this team on both ends, but IMO a team with shooters around Mitchell and Conley as secondary playmaker will do very well offensively.

I actually didn't mean strictly on\off but other impact metrics as well, Gobert's OBPM was 2.9 last season for example, good for #2 on the Jazz just after Mitchell's 4.6. That shouldn't really come as suprise seeing as Gobert did score 15.6 PPG on like 73 TS%, few turnovers and almost 4 OReb per game, not to mention setting killer screens, and the effect of him as lob threat etc on the jazz;s offense

Mitchell has been really good offensively and will continue to be, but it's gonna look very different now. They just don't have the personnel (edit: or the motivation) to keep doing what they've been doing these past few seasons and they are also quite shallow whereas certain injuries can really hurt them, sending 3rd string guys to 2nd string roles

we'll see..

[alphatron10]

Well, if you listen to the Hoop Collective pod, Tim Bontemps proposed some crazy ass trade, that sent Russ, THT, 27, and 29, for Beverley, Bogdanovic, Conley, and Clarkson. That's also assuming the Jazz trade Mitchell as well. This would essentially gut your roster, and I wouldn't even buy out Westbrook. I'd run out Russ, Fournier, Grimes, Vanderbilt, and Azubuike and see what the hell they can do. Just let Russ do whatever tf he wants

[Lockdown504090]

I think NBA players really understand when they are on a team that has no future together. They play for individual success, ignoring what is best for the team. They take plays off and games off when it suits their interests. They are more focused on updates from their agents on possible destinations than advice or admonishments from their coach

The Jazz are such a team.

As such, I expect that the Jazz will be less successful than the talent of their individual parts suggests.

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winning come from the top... but i think theyll win games just to spite the org for tanking.

[dautjazz]

We just traded our franchise player and our best wing defender, mainly for FRPs and young assets, so it's safe to assume we're a lottery team. We're also going to trade Mitchell, it would be silly not to go full rebuild.

[BK_2020]

I could see them making the playoffs. They are actually better off this way as opposed to when they had Gobert because teams can’t go small on them and put Rudy on an island anymore.

Yeah now they have to go through Donovan Mitchell or Jordan Clarkson if they want to score a bucket.

[Saints14]

I think NBA players really understand when they are on a team that has no future together. They play for individual success, ignoring what is best for the team. They take plays off and games off when it suits their interests. They are more focused on updates from their agents on possible destinations than advice or admonishments from their coach

The Jazz are such a team.

As such, I expect that the Jazz will be less successful than the talent of their individual parts suggests.

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This is a really interesting theory.

Personally I think we'll really see how valuable Gobert was to them and they'll struggle. Maybe not top 5 bad, but it's not hard to see them blowing it up and tanking after the deadline if they haven't already traded Mitchell

[TeamTragic]

Depends on whether or not they trade Mitchell.

If they don't, they're a 30-39 win team. If they do, they're a <30 win team.

In this situation, they don't trade Mitchell.

Then Ainge will tell him to sit at home.

[BK_2020]

Depends on whether or not they trade Mitchell.

If they don't, they're a 30-39 win team. If they do, they're a <30 win team.

In this situation, they don't trade Mitchell.

Then Ainge will tell him to sit at home.

Which is against the CBA and will be grounds for a grievance.

[Gert42]

26-32 wins with Mitchell. 18-26 without.

I think they are one of the eight worst teams in the league before a Mitchell trade. That's why in theory the Jazz are not in a hurry to trade Mitchell (I don't believe that). They are pretty undersized at every postion, especially if they slide guys down a position for better offense.

[algope]

Really really far from Victor Wembanyama

That´s the wright answer

[brutalitops]

Probably the worst defensive team you could watch

[CallMeKahn]

Utah is about 12 to 13 out of 15 in the WC. Utah still has work to do in order to be properly #WeakforWembanyama.

[Jadoogar]

I could see them making the playoffs. They are actually better off this way as opposed to when they had Gobert because teams can’t go small on them and put Rudy on an island anymore.

Teams definitely better than the Jazz
Warriors
Suns
Clippers
Nuggets
Grizzlies
Timberwolves

Teams probably better than the Jazz
Mavericks
Pelicans
Lakers
Blazers

Teams that should be better than the Jazz on paper
Kings

That's already 11 teams. I get that some of these teams will have injuries but they would need several teams to have terrible injury lucky while also not sustaining any of their own, especially to Mitchell.

I can't imagine a world where they make the playoffs, especially since they aren't trying to make the playoffs.

[Michael Jackson]

they're going to miss Gobert on both ends. they're gonna miss Snyder too.

Both those things are true. Gobert's impact will be felt on both ends for sure...

Snyder is going to be missed because who is going to give the players a bump before they go out and play?

[youngthegiant]

I don't think they'll be as bad as everyone thinks. The center position is a huge question mark, but they have 8 solid NBA players on that team. No way they're a bottom 5 team as is, unless they make some more trades.

[Myth]

With Donovan, right below play-in. Without him, bottom 5. Seems like it makes sense for both to have Donovan traded for rebuilding pieces.

[cgf]

Picking 8-12 without some lotto luck or Mitchell sitting out?