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god shammgod wrote:i wonder what happens to russ. does anyone pick him up after indy cuts him ? he might be out of the league.
Fat Kat wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:New intel from Tony JonesUtah and the New York Knicks have had ongoing discussions, but those talks have not yielded progress to the point of a trade being imminent. As those talks have lingered, the Jazz have begun fielding offers from other teams, league sources tell The Athletic. As of Thursday morning, the Jazz have multiple offers on the table for Mitchell from teams other than the Knicks that they deem intriguing and worth pursuing, according to sources. They are offers, sources say, that the Jazz feel are worth pursuing, should talks between Utah and the Knicks stall.
Mitchell hasn’t asked for a trade from the Jazz, according to sources. But, if he were to be traded, sources say, his preferred destination would be one of three places: the Knicks, the Brooklyn Nets, or the Miami Heat. Mitchell can’t be traded to the Nets as long as Ben Simmons is on the roster, which makes that destination unlikely, and now even more unlikely with Kevin Durant staying put. The Heat simply don’t have the assets that the Jazz are looking for, which makes that destination unlikely. The Knicks have the assets that the Jazz seek, which has made them a natural potential trade partner.
But, as of Thursday morning, the two sides aren’t close to a deal, according to sources.
The Jazz, sources say, remain steadfast on what they want in return if they were to trade Mitchell. They want a bushel of unprotected first-round picks. They want young players on manageable contracts that come with a significant amount of team control.
Trading Beverley, one of a number of veterans that are currently on the roster, for Horton-Tucker and Johnson, sends a clear signal that the Jazz are going young this upcoming season. But, the Jazz, sources say, are comfortable with going into the season with Mitchell on the roster, no matter who else is on the roster around him. If they are persuaded to trade Mitchell, they are committed to the lofty price they have set for themselves. If that price isn’t met, they are good with keeping him on the roster once training camp opens and into the season.
Why the hard line for Mitchell from the Jazz?
This is the simple part: They know Mitchell is one of the more dynamic offensive players in the league. They know that finding someone who can score 25 points a night, to go along with five assists and five rebounds isn’t easy. Mitchell will turn 26 years old in September but hasn’t reached the prime of his career. They know that they received enough assets in trading Rudy Gobert to the Minnesota Timberwolves — four first-round picks with three completely unprotected — that they are in a position to retool around Mitchell on the fly. And maybe most importantly, Mitchell has three years remaining on his current deal. So, settling for a trade that they deem to be 90 cents on the dollar or lower, is something that the Jazz are determined not to do.
The Jazz traded Beverley to the Lakers because he doesn’t fit Utah’s timeline, at 34 years old. Utah’s previous front office regime, led by Dennis Lindsey, liked Horton-Tucker quite a bit in the predraft process when he was coming out of Iowa State. That regime included Justin Zanik, Utah’s current general manager.
It is unknown what role Horton-Tucker would play with the Jazz, because there are still so many moving parts to this roster. As of Thursday morning, Utah’s backcourt includes Mike Conley, Jordan Clarkson, Mitchell, Malik Beasley, Jared Butler, Leandro Bolmaro and Nickeil Alexander-Walker. So, as of now, it’s impossible to project what kind of minutes or role Horton-Tucker would play.
But he is still young at 21 years old. He’s skilled with the basketball. He’s athletic and crafty and has the mindset of a natural scorer. At the same time, he hasn’t been a natural ball mover. He has a long way to go defensively, and his jumper needs significant growth. He has a year remaining on his current contract, with a player option representing a second season. So, this year would very much be a let’s see if this marriage can work season for the Jazz and Horton-Tucker.
Johnson is a former lottery pick who hasn’t played to that level in the NBA. But he is a decent wing defender. He’s a good athlete and he plays with a toughness that the Jazz roster didn’t play with last season.
Nothing but more Danny Ainge meat riding. Why don’t we ever see details of these “intriguing” offers? The Knicks offers are public, but these great offers from numerous mystery teams are always secretive
god shammgod wrote:i wonder what happens to russ. does anyone pick him up after indy cuts him ? he might be out of the league.
mpharris36 wrote:Fat Kat wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:New intel from Tony Jones
Nothing but more Danny Ainge meat riding. Why don’t we ever see details of these “intriguing” offers? The Knicks offers are public, but these great offers from numerous mystery teams are always secretive
Its the same reason why they haven't walked away from the Knicks...the Knicks offer is already better
3toheadmelo wrote:The only team I think has a intriguing offer would be the Heat with Tyler Herro. But Tony makes it seem like they’re not even one of the teams with a good offer. I can’t really think of any other teams that has such a good offer Utah would take over us
ag3 wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:The only team I think has a intriguing offer would be the Heat with Tyler Herro. But Tony makes it seem like they’re not even one of the teams with a good offer. I can’t really think of any other teams that has such a good offer Utah would take over us
Perhaps the Lakers can screw the Knicks over and trade for Simmons? That's the only possibility I see. Lebron could be desperate and force the Lakers into giving 1-2 unprotected picks for Simmons and then a 3 team trade where Mitchell ends up on the Nets?
That would be the nightmare situation for the Knicks.
Reign23 wrote:tbh with rumors coming out daily now and other dominos falling, I feel we are not too far away from a deal.
GONYK wrote:Every article is the same: "Ainge wants to screw the Knicks, but there are no other teams he can use as leverage, so Leon is just waiting for Danny to come down to Earth"
ag3 wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:The only team I think has a intriguing offer would be the Heat with Tyler Herro. But Tony makes it seem like they’re not even one of the teams with a good offer. I can’t really think of any other teams that has such a good offer Utah would take over us
Perhaps the Lakers can screw the Knicks over and trade for Simmons? That's the only possibility I see. Lebron could be desperate and force the Lakers into giving 1-2 unprotected picks for Simmons and then a 3 team trade where Mitchell ends up on the Nets?
That would be the nightmare situation for the Knicks.
whocares1 wrote:So the people that were saying that the Jazz are in no rush to trade Mitchell…were right. What a surprise lol.
nyknicks8016 wrote:If i am rose i am pissed with the constant leaks, i tell Ainge here is my best and final, if he doesnt accept tell him to F off and make sure i leak what our offer was so when he eventually gets stuck taking a worse offer the Jazz fans can see it
ag3 wrote:nyknicks8016 wrote:If i am rose i am pissed with the constant leaks, i tell Ainge here is my best and final, if he doesnt accept tell him to F off and make sure i leak what our offer was so when he eventually gets stuck taking a worse offer the Jazz fans can see it
The Knicks want Mitchell. They aren't going to tell Ainge to F off.