#10 - Spida Thread - I hate sham

[GONYK]

Chet out for the season. Jesus

And yet people give him a pass when he's doing exactly what Sam Hinkie did.

Have to love the protection given to you by the media when you bless them with a 2 hr end of season press conference.

the nba really should just give an equal chance to everyone in the lottery. and yes, there will be teams in the last few weeks who decide they would rather not be in the playoffs and tank their way out of it. but that's way better than 4 or 5 teams deciding not to compete all year long.

One of the reforms that were on the table like 5 years ago was "The Wheel"

The Wheel would eliminate the draft lottery and replace it with a system in which each of the 30 teams would pick in a specific first-round draft slot once — and exactly once — every 30 years. Each team would simply cycle through the 30 draft slots, year by year, in a predetermined order designed so that teams pick in different areas of the draft each year. Teams would know with 100 percent certainty in which draft slots they would pick every year, up to 30 years out from the start of every 30-year cycle. The practice of protecting picks would disappear; there would never be a Harrison Barnes–Golden State situation again, and it wouldn’t require a law degree to track ownership of every traded pick league wide.

This would have killed tanking dead

[Jay10]

And yet people give him a pass when he's doing exactly what Sam Hinkie did.

Have to love the protection given to you by the media when you bless them with a 2 hr end of season press conference.

the nba really should just give an equal chance to everyone in the lottery. and yes, there will be teams in the last few weeks who decide they would rather not be in the playoffs and tank their way out of it. but that's way better than 4 or 5 teams deciding not to compete all year long.

One of the reforms that were on the table like 5 years ago was "The Wheel"

The Wheel would eliminate the draft lottery and replace it with a system in which each of the 30 teams would pick in a specific first-round draft slot once — and exactly once — every 30 years. Each team would simply cycle through the 30 draft slots, year by year, in a predetermined order designed so that teams pick in different areas of the draft each year. Teams would know with 100 percent certainty in which draft slots they would pick every year, up to 30 years out from the start of every 30-year cycle. The practice of protecting picks would disappear; there would never be a Harrison Barnes–Golden State situation again, and it wouldn’t require a law degree to track ownership of every traded pick league wide.

This would have killed tanking dead

The league wouldn't agree to it because it would mess with their money when it comes to selling the suspense on draft lottery night.

[god shammgod]

And yet people give him a pass when he's doing exactly what Sam Hinkie did.

Have to love the protection given to you by the media when you bless them with a 2 hr end of season press conference.

the nba really should just give an equal chance to everyone in the lottery. and yes, there will be teams in the last few weeks who decide they would rather not be in the playoffs and tank their way out of it. but that's way better than 4 or 5 teams deciding not to compete all year long.

One of the reforms that were on the table like 5 years ago was "The Wheel"

The Wheel would eliminate the draft lottery and replace it with a system in which each of the 30 teams would pick in a specific first-round draft slot once — and exactly once — every 30 years. Each team would simply cycle through the 30 draft slots, year by year, in a predetermined order designed so that teams pick in different areas of the draft each year. Teams would know with 100 percent certainty in which draft slots they would pick every year, up to 30 years out from the start of every 30-year cycle. The practice of protecting picks would disappear; there would never be a Harrison Barnes–Golden State situation again, and it wouldn’t require a law degree to track ownership of every traded pick league wide.

This would have killed tanking dead

i think the excitement of teams maybe winning the lottery is good for the business. fans like it. so this doesn't seem smart. but i don't see much difference between the lottery needs of the worst team in the league and let's say the 12th worst. just make it even odds.

[Chanel Bomber]

It all makes sense now, Chanel’s favorite player Westbrick caused him so much trauma that he is now afraid to like anybody who doesn’t have a high TS%. Well except IQ who still sucks but that’s more of a ego thing at this point

Yes.

I walked that road and lived to tell the tale.

And nowhere else but here, I am, sharing my wisdom.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

I wonder if the delay is tied to the Knicks waiting on the league's investigation of the Brunson signing. If they have to forfeit a pick, that complicates any Jazz deal.

[Ghetto Gospel]

And yet people give him a pass when he's doing exactly what Sam Hinkie did.

Have to love the protection given to you by the media when you bless them with a 2 hr end of season press conference.

the nba really should just give an equal chance to everyone in the lottery. and yes, there will be teams in the last few weeks who decide they would rather not be in the playoffs and tank their way out of it. but that's way better than 4 or 5 teams deciding not to compete all year long.

One of the reforms that were on the table like 5 years ago was "The Wheel"

The Wheel would eliminate the draft lottery and replace it with a system in which each of the 30 teams would pick in a specific first-round draft slot once — and exactly once — every 30 years. Each team would simply cycle through the 30 draft slots, year by year, in a predetermined order designed so that teams pick in different areas of the draft each year. Teams would know with 100 percent certainty in which draft slots they would pick every year, up to 30 years out from the start of every 30-year cycle. The practice of protecting picks would disappear; there would never be a Harrison Barnes–Golden State situation again, and it wouldn’t require a law degree to track ownership of every traded pick league wide.

This would have killed tanking dead

there is a fear of a top player wanting to hold out another year if say LA or NY is up in the following year, even if it may not happen. because of that risk, i'm not sure i can see small market teams agreeing to it. the other downside is, it's a full 30 year commitment that would require a lot of work should the league decide to expand and add a couple of more teams.

[TheGreenArrow]

I’m over this dmitch trade saga tbh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He’s not worth all this trouble!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’d rather just suck in peace and keep our inevitable top 10pick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ag3]

I’m over this dmitch trade saga tbh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He’s not worth all this trouble!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’d rather just suck in peace and keep our inevitable top 10pick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes he is worth it.

[Ghetto Gospel]

the nba really should just give an equal chance to everyone in the lottery. and yes, there will be teams in the last few weeks who decide they would rather not be in the playoffs and tank their way out of it. but that's way better than 4 or 5 teams deciding not to compete all year long.

One of the reforms that were on the table like 5 years ago was "The Wheel"

The Wheel would eliminate the draft lottery and replace it with a system in which each of the 30 teams would pick in a specific first-round draft slot once — and exactly once — every 30 years. Each team would simply cycle through the 30 draft slots, year by year, in a predetermined order designed so that teams pick in different areas of the draft each year. Teams would know with 100 percent certainty in which draft slots they would pick every year, up to 30 years out from the start of every 30-year cycle. The practice of protecting picks would disappear; there would never be a Harrison Barnes–Golden State situation again, and it wouldn’t require a law degree to track ownership of every traded pick league wide.

This would have killed tanking dead

i think the excitement of teams maybe winning the lottery is good for the business. fans like it. so this doesn't seem smart. but i don't see much difference between the lottery needs of the worst team in the league and let's say the 12th worst. just make it even odds.

nah i don't think absolute worst record vs say a 9th seed should be the same, we could definitely see some shenanigans there. they just need to keep working the slider though so the odds are closer and not so far apart. we shouldn't have to look at a 1% chance vs a 14% chance or whatever it is

[KnicksGadfly]

It all makes sense now, Chanel’s favorite player Westbrick caused him so much trauma that he is now afraid to like anybody who doesn’t have a high TS%. Well except IQ who still sucks but that’s more of a ego thing at this point

Yes.

I walked that road and lived to tell the tale.

And nowhere else but here, I am, sharing my wisdom.

But Westbrook produces so much!!!!!!!! I don't believe it when people think the Lakers have to trade picks to get rid of him. Knicks need to trade picks for Westbrook!

Westbrook 20 ppg, Randle 20 ppg, RJ 20 ppg -- BIG THREE.

I hate how the Lakers fans scapegoat him!!!!!! Those nasty fans scapegoated Karl Malone, they scapegoated Magic Johnson as a GM, they scapegoated Jim Buss, wtf...the cycle never ends.

[KnicksNext]

I thought they were rebuilding, why they want old assed obi so bad?

They can just turn around and trade him for another 2nd round pick

[snadler]

I’m over this dmitch trade saga tbh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He’s not worth all this trouble!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’d rather just suck in peace and keep our inevitable top 10pick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Until they trade for him..am i right?

[Gravy]

One of the reforms that were on the table like 5 years ago was "The Wheel"



This would have killed tanking dead

i think the excitement of teams maybe winning the lottery is good for the business. fans like it. so this doesn't seem smart. but i don't see much difference between the lottery needs of the worst team in the league and let's say the 12th worst. just make it even odds.

nah i don't think absolute worst record vs say a 9th seed should be the same, we could definitely see some shenanigans there. they just need to keep working the slider though so the odds are closer and not so far apart. we shouldn't have to look at a 1% chance vs a 14% chance or whatever it is

I'd like a reverse sliding odds for lottery teams so the team with the 14th worst record has the highest odds for #1 and so on. Nobody would tank, rookies will have to earn their minutes, teams would play hard at the end of the reg season. The 15th worst team/8th seed would get really screwed though

[Fat Kat]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/268413/Donovan-Mitchell-Has-Knicks-Nets-Heat-As-Preferred-Destinations

https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-knicks/report-jazz-have-other-intriguing-offers-if-donovan-mitchell-trade-talks-with-knicks-stall/

All these leaks are to get Dolan impatient. Leon is going to have to continue to work hard to make sure Dolan doesn't screw things up like he did with Melo. Ainge must also be getting coached by Ujiri. If there were other intriguing offers out there, Ainge would have already pulled the trigger. He needs to move Mitchell in order to turn around and trade Conley, etc. If Ainge trades Conley, etc before Mitchell then loses all leverage. Knicks need to hold steady. No one can offer more than the Knicks and no need to meet Ainge's demands.

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/453871/amp

Leon was the one pulling the strings on both the Bargnani and Melo deals. He’s not gonna let someone do it to him.

[Chanel Bomber]

It all makes sense now, Chanel’s favorite player Westbrick caused him so much trauma that he is now afraid to like anybody who doesn’t have a high TS%. Well except IQ who still sucks but that’s more of a ego thing at this point

Yes.

I walked that road and lived to tell the tale.

And nowhere else but here, I am, sharing my wisdom.

But Westbrook produces so much!!!!!!!! I don't believe it when people think the Lakers have to trade picks to get rid of him. Knicks need to trade picks for Westbrook!

Westbrook 20 ppg, Randle 20 ppg, RJ 20 ppg -- BIG THREE.

It will work if you hire Jerry Stackhouse as head coach.

[aggo]

Hold the line.

Grimes will play 25mpg and will make career highs.
Obi will play 25mpg and make career highs.


Ainge will cry when he makes the call during the season and hes told that Knicks won't be making anymore big package offers.


and the final offers will be Obi or Grimes, Fournier, + 1 FRP + 1 Swap

[KnicksNext]

because Randle has no future here...whether they can do it this year or next...Randle is not a long term option with Brunson/Mitchell.

but even after randle is gone the plan is to get another all-star. and brunson is above rj now in the pecking order. he'll still end up the 4th option.

RJ will eventually go out for the trade for the next star to play with Donovan if RJ's doesn't take massive leaps too...but he's young enough and if he continues to improve his game him along with whatever picks we can keep out of the deal probably headline the next trade they make...I think eveeryone see that.

Brunson isn't going anywhere under this regime....if Leon gets fired sure...but Brunson is locked here for as long as Leon is here.

Good point on Brunson. He will be a Knick for Life, assuming Rose stays here for a long time.

This coming season is huge for Rose/Thibs. If they somehow manage to win around the same amount of games or less than this past year, you gotta think Dolan will consider moving on from this regime. On the flipside, If the team wins 46-47+ games, Rose might sign an extension. Big year for almost everyone, really. RJ, Brunson, Randle.. Obi, IQ, Grimes.. Huge year for just about everyone up and down the roster and also the FO.

[snadler]

Read on Twitter

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[snadler]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/268413/Donovan-Mitchell-Has-Knicks-Nets-Heat-As-Preferred-Destinations

https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-knicks/report-jazz-have-other-intriguing-offers-if-donovan-mitchell-trade-talks-with-knicks-stall/

All these leaks are to get Dolan impatient. Leon is going to have to continue to work hard to make sure Dolan doesn't screw things up like he did with Melo. Ainge must also be getting coached by Ujiri. If there were other intriguing offers out there, Ainge would have already pulled the trigger. He needs to move Mitchell in order to turn around and trade Conley, etc. If Ainge trades Conley, etc before Mitchell then loses all leverage. Knicks need to hold steady. No one can offer more than the Knicks and no need to meet Ainge's demands.

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/453871/amp

Leon was the one pulling the strings on both the Bargnani and Melo deals. He’s not gonna let someone do it to him.

The Dolan interfering narrative is getting old and tiresome, you think rose would leave his former job to to do this one if at the first sign of a star being on the market he’d be worried about Dolan overstepping their agreement.

[rammagen]

Neither Simmons or Adebayo can be traded for Mitchell so I don't think Miami or BK can put up anything close to what we can.

they can't there is also the issue of draft picks, meaning the Knicks have more readily picks available to trade then the other teams
the heat
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2022/07/16/report-heat-trying-to-acquire-more-picks-to-trade-for-mitchell-or-durant/#:~:text=The%20Miami%20Heat%20currently%20can%20trade%20two%20of,the%20first%20year%20it%20is%20unprotected%20in%202026%29.
the Nyets
https://www.netsdaily.com/2022/2/11/22930079/in-the-weeds-where-nets-stand-on-picks-exceptions-luxury-tax-roster-etc#:~:text=Again%2C%20the%202027%20pick%20would%20permit%20them%20to,with%20the%20Nets%20in%202023%2C%202025%20and%202027.

This is why I am happy the front office is standing pat why should we bid against ourselves? The Thunder have the assists but are not interested. The cavs have the assets but will they trade young players plus the picks for him and Mitch said his preferred destinations and the cavs were were not on the list. He can shoot down the deal by simply telling them he wont resign or sit out
So again why bid against ourselves?
Ainge is trying to get the media involved I am proud of the Front Office for not caving in. Let a unhappy player take the floor for the Jazz it just garners ill will from other players for the team. So when giving the choice in the future if you are star why play for the jazz if all things are equal and this situation is handled poorly