#10 - Spida Thread - I hate sham

[HEZI]

Better Defense, Play making , Size....

He’s taller but less athletic and slower. Overrated as a defender imo. Not a better playmaker. Inferior scorer/vocal leader

He's the better fit, because of size, IMO better play making, and solid defense. We have Thibs as our vocal leader...

Im not sure Mitchell's better scoring (and its really not a huge margin) outweigh the defensive back court issues he'd compound. If the price was less for SGA , he's the better fit IMO. He really doesn't have any major flaws to his game and has not even hit his prime.

He’s taller but skinnier and weaker. He’s a skinny guard nowhere close to being built like DMitch. Not as explosive either, much slower. So when you say size you just mean taller and that’s really it because he’s much smaller than DMitch in his frame.

Defensively he’s overrated especially guarding 2 guards.

He’s not a better playmaker

[HEZI]

SGA is not better than Donovan Mitchell

agree on that...Donovan Mitchell has proven he can be the best offensive player on a really good team. SGA has a ton of talent but his ceiling is still a bit murky on if he can be an offensive hub like Mitchell already is.

Yup if we are giving up all of our picks then we better get back a proven guy and not a guy who hasn’t reached DMitch level. Makes zero sense

[stuporman]

according to Hahn, the fact this trade and rumors have been so out in the open, a trade is seemingly more unlikely, as he says that most trades go down in darkness when you don't hear any gossip..agree?

Is it the Knicks fault every single media muppet and social twitterfly has their name in their mouth constantly lying about 'rumors' and 'sources' because they want the say Knicks for clicks attention?

So the Knicks can't do anything in darkness, the only things that will happen without 24/7 media obsessing is if it's unexpected. Like the draft day trade of #11 for 4 first rounders, that wasn't something they could even imagine so it's not something they could predict or talk about.

They have been gossiping about Mitchell to NYK since the day he was drafted so as soon as Gobert was traded it was open season for their attention whoring click bait.

Not the Knicks fault.

[RHODEY]

He’s taller but less athletic and slower. Overrated as a defender imo. Not a better playmaker. Inferior scorer/vocal leader

He's the better fit, because of size, IMO better play making, and solid defense. We have Thibs as our vocal leader...

Im not sure Mitchell's better scoring (and its really not a huge margin) outweigh the defensive back court issues he'd compound. If the price was less for SGA , he's the better fit IMO. He really doesn't have any major flaws to his game and has not even hit his prime.

He’s taller but skinnier and weaker. He’s a skinny guard nowhere close to being built like DMitch. Not as explosive either, much slower. So when you say size you just mean taller and that’s really it because he’s much smaller than DMitch in his frame.

Defensively he’s overrated especially guarding 2 guards.

He’s not a better playmaker

Right but we are talking basketball , not bodybuilding. Kevin Durant is "Skinny", Luka is "slow" . How about we compare stats, not vague descriptions like "overrated". SGA's defense is light years ahead of Donovan Mitchell's.

[snadler]

Katz from the Athletic:

What is the perception of Julius Randle around the league? Is he viewed as a positive asset at all? — Nicholas S.

I can’t speak for all 30 teams. Maybe there is a front office I haven’t heard about that is seeking out Randle. But if there were, I would be surprised. It’s not like the Knicks are clinging onto him. If you call them about Randle, they’re listening to your offer.

If I tuned out of NBA news for a month, returned to learn that the Knicks had traded Randle and had to guess what the trade was, I’d assume they swapped him for another expensive contract — a milder version of all these supermax-for-supermax trades we’ve seen over the past few years. The four remaining seasons on Randle’s deal have made teams, even ones who believe last season wasn’t representative of who he is, hesitant about acquiring him. The Knicks, meanwhile, haven’t been willing to attach a first-rounder or two to send him elsewhere.

Last season’s offense was concerning for a ball-dominant forward on a nine-figure contract. His head wasn’t in the right space. His defense dipped. Basketball-Reference deemed 112 players qualified for their efficiency leaders in 2021-22. Randle finished dead last in effective field-goal percentage. Teams saw how the Knicks stalled when he had the ball. They saw how the Knicks were almost 10 points per 100 possessions worse when he was on the floor.

I believe a large portion of Randle’s fall-off last season had to do with the players the Knicks put around him. As he told me in the winter, he felt compelled to drift to the perimeter more when he ran alongside a rim-diving center, which was almost always the case. When the Knicks spread the floor around him, he got to the rim nearly twice as often. Those types of lineups worked when Randle was draining jumpers during his All-NBA season. They didn’t when he was nonstop clanking.

But it’s not easy to take a $100 million risk after the performance he had in 2021-22, which is why there hasn’t been any traction on a Randle deal, even though each general manager knows that if he calls Leon Rose & Co., he could likely find a way to acquire the former All-Star.

[HEZI]

He's the better fit, because of size, IMO better play making, and solid defense. We have Thibs as our vocal leader...

Im not sure Mitchell's better scoring (and its really not a huge margin) outweigh the defensive back court issues he'd compound. If the price was less for SGA , he's the better fit IMO. He really doesn't have any major flaws to his game and has not even hit his prime.

He’s taller but skinnier and weaker. He’s a skinny guard nowhere close to being built like DMitch. Not as explosive either, much slower. So when you say size you just mean taller and that’s really it because he’s much smaller than DMitch in his frame.

Defensively he’s overrated especially guarding 2 guards.

He’s not a better playmaker

Right but we are talking basketball , not bodybuilding. Kevin Durant is "Skinny", Luka is "slow" . How about we compare stats, not vague descriptions like "overrated". SGA's defense is light years ahead of Donovan Mitchell's.

Compare stats and Mitchell is better

[stuporman]

I wonder if the delay is tied to the Knicks waiting on the league's investigation of the Brunson signing. If they have to forfeit a pick, that complicates any Jazz deal.

How does forfeiting a second rounder complicate anything?

[thebuzzardman]

Katz from the Athletic:

What is the perception of Julius Randle around the league? Is he viewed as a positive asset at all? — Nicholas S.

I can’t speak for all 30 teams. Maybe there is a front office I haven’t heard about that is seeking out Randle. But if there were, I would be surprised. It’s not like the Knicks are clinging onto him. If you call them about Randle, they’re listening to your offer.

If I tuned out of NBA news for a month, returned to learn that the Knicks had traded Randle and had to guess what the trade was, I’d assume they swapped him for another expensive contract — a milder version of all these supermax-for-supermax trades we’ve seen over the past few years. The four remaining seasons on Randle’s deal have made teams, even ones who believe last season wasn’t representative of who he is, hesitant about acquiring him. The Knicks, meanwhile, haven’t been willing to attach a first-rounder or two to send him elsewhere.

Last season’s offense was concerning for a ball-dominant forward on a nine-figure contract. His head wasn’t in the right space. His defense dipped. Basketball-Reference deemed 112 players qualified for their efficiency leaders in 2021-22. Randle finished dead last in effective field-goal percentage. Teams saw how the Knicks stalled when he had the ball. They saw how the Knicks were almost 10 points per 100 possessions worse when he was on the floor.

I believe a large portion of Randle’s fall-off last season had to do with the players the Knicks put around him. As he told me in the winter, he felt compelled to drift to the perimeter more when he ran alongside a rim-diving center, which was almost always the case. When the Knicks spread the floor around him, he got to the rim nearly twice as often. Those types of lineups worked when Randle was draining jumpers during his All-NBA season. They didn’t when he was nonstop clanking.

But it’s not easy to take a $100 million risk after the performance he had in 2021-22, which is why there hasn’t been any traction on a Randle deal, even though each general manager knows that if he calls Leon Rose & Co., he could likely find a way to acquire the former All-Star.

Well, Hartenstein might help for 18-20 mpg, but for the other 28-30, it's Mitch...

[thebuzzardman]

67 pages to go. Should get there by Sunday

[Fury]

Man I thought they would make the trade today. Danny Ainge is mad **** annoying.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Better Defense, Play making , Size....

He’s taller but less athletic and slower. Overrated as a defender imo. Not a better playmaker. Inferior scorer/vocal leader

He's the better fit, because of size, IMO better play making, and solid defense. We have Thibs as our vocal leader...

Im not sure Mitchell's better scoring (and its really not a huge margin) outweigh the defensive back court issues he'd compound. If the price was less for SGA , he's the better fit IMO. He really doesn't have any major flaws to his game and has not even hit his prime.

Y’all both reaching. Points were strong enough.

SGA is not overrated as a defender.

Donovan Mitchell is a MUCH better scorer than SGA.

[Jalen Bluntson]

The Knicks for clicks portion of this summer has been a tremendous waste of time. It has been months and basically nothing has been said. Ainge wants a lot is basically all we know. The Knicks haven't paid the asking cost is all we can guess. What the asking price is has been speculated to death. What fans are willing to give up has been discussed to death. Players going out have been speculated to death. All for nothing after 8-10 weeks of this trade discussion.

If this trade doesn't happen...

[JXL]

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[Clyde_Style]

67 pages to go. Should get there by Sunday

Maybe you and I could initiate a 40 page exchange about gender politics to speed up the process. Waddya say?

[RHODEY]

He’s taller but skinnier and weaker. He’s a skinny guard nowhere close to being built like DMitch. Not as explosive either, much slower. So when you say size you just mean taller and that’s really it because he’s much smaller than DMitch in his frame.

Defensively he’s overrated especially guarding 2 guards.

He’s not a better playmaker

Right but we are talking basketball , not bodybuilding. Kevin Durant is "Skinny", Luka is "slow" . How about we compare stats, not vague descriptions like "overrated". SGA's defense is light years ahead of Donovan Mitchell's.

Compare stats and Mitchell is better

[Clyde_Style]

The Knicks for clicks portion of this summer has been a tremendous waste of time. It has been months and basically nothing has been said. Ainge wants a lot is basically all we know. The Knicks haven't paid the asking cost is all we can guess. What the asking price is has been speculated to death. What fans are willing to give up has been discussed to death. Players going out have been speculated to death. All for nothing after 8-10 weeks of this trade discussion.

If this trade doesn't happen at least our communal finger strength took a giant leap this off-season ...

[HerSports85]

Alan Hahn just put to rest a lot of the BS narratives.

[TheGreenArrow]

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[Jimmit79]

Alan Hahn just put to rest a lot of the BS narratives.

Too bad thibs is Berman's mouthpiece not hahn whose corporate mouthpiece of msg this days.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Alan Hahn just put to rest a lot of the BS narratives.

What did he say? I can't watch the video right now.