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Post#661 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:04 pm

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KnixtapeH20 wrote:Lmfaoooo perfect gif :lol: :rofl: :rofl:


Put Eve alone in a room with Danny Ainge and I feel confident we’ll come out ahead in the DM trade.


Monica Lewinsky style? Wingo... keep your head out of the gutter man. :lol:


No moron. WTF is wrong with you? I'd smack you if you said this to my face. Evevale is my friend.

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Post#662 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:07 pm

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Put Eve alone in a room with Danny Ainge and I feel confident we’ll come out ahead in the DM trade.


Monica Lewinsky style? Wingo... keep your head out of the gutter man. :lol:


No moron. WTF is wrong with you?

Can I get a mod to remove the above post.


Answered then asked.
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Post#663 » by stuporman » Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:07 pm

I wanted SGA in his draft so I can see a path to winning basketball with him and Presti might not have the unrealistic demands Ainge does. It may not be as sexy for the press conference but he's a better fit. He may not be as good of a pure scorer as Mitchell is but he's a better all around two way player and he has the size and length paired with RJ to make the Knick competitive against any wing combo they'd see.

Would they take back a couple of the 1sts they sent NYK to get the #11 along with one or two of the Knicks own picks now that Chet is out for the year? I'm not sure Presti would need as much young player compensation either allowing the Knicks to keep most of their youth. Presti getting picks in acquiring SGA for PG then getting picks for SGA is a win both ways and he doesn't need the rob anyone to pad his rep.

I don't know SGA has the type of league wide respect that would attract another star like Mitchell might but if the Knicks are winning that is enough lure. Besides, if it allows the Knicks to have the assets to trade for another star then that might not even matter much anyway. Maybe Rose should leak this 'rumor' to keep Ainge in his feels about it, it's an interesting idea to consider.
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Post#664 » by HerSports85 » Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:13 pm

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HerSports85 wrote:Alan Hahn just put to rest a lot of the BS narratives.
Too bad thibs is Berman's mouthpiece not hahn whose corporate mouthpiece of msg this days.


Seems like he was doing a lot of talking on Thibs behalf which he has done during the season. But yes he’s more of a front office mouthpiece. Either way we know what he’s saying is coming from the inside
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Post#665 » by Spree2Houston » Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:15 pm

SGA is not a good 3pt shooter. The spacing with him in our current lineup would actually be worse with him.
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Post#666 » by ohboy109 » Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:15 pm

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Post#667 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:19 pm

SGA contract looks a little crazy. 31/33/36/38/40

Is he that good?
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Post#668 » by HEZI » Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:23 pm

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He’s taller but less athletic and slower. Overrated as a defender imo. Not a better playmaker. Inferior scorer/vocal leader


He's the better fit, because of size, IMO better play making, and solid defense. We have Thibs as our vocal leader...

Im not sure Mitchell's better scoring (and its really not a huge margin) outweigh the defensive back court issues he'd compound. If the price was less for SGA , he's the better fit IMO. He really doesn't have any major flaws to his game and has not even hit his prime.

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Y’all both reaching. Points were strong enough.

SGA is not overrated as a defender.

Donovan Mitchell is a MUCH better scorer than SGA.


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Post#669 » by VirginiaKnickFan » Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:30 pm

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VirginiaKnickFan wrote:I wonder if the delay is tied to the Knicks waiting on the league's investigation of the Brunson signing. If they have to forfeit a pick, that complicates any Jazz deal.


How does forfeiting a second rounder complicate anything?


Are we sure it couldn't be a 1st?
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Post#670 » by iLLmatic860 » Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:34 pm

HerSports85 wrote:
Jimmit79 wrote:
HerSports85 wrote:Alan Hahn just put to rest a lot of the BS narratives.
Too bad thibs is Berman's mouthpiece not hahn whose corporate mouthpiece of msg this days.


Seems like he was doing a lot of talking on Thibs behalf which he has done during the season. But yes he’s more of a front office mouthpiece. Either way we know what he’s saying is coming from the inside

Where can i find this Alan Hahn stuff?
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Post#671 » by RHODEY » Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:36 pm

stuporman wrote:I wanted SGA in his draft so I can see a path to winning basketball with him and Presti might not have the unrealistic demands Ainge does. It may not be as sexy for the press conference but he's a better fit. He may not be a good of a pure scorer as Mitchell is but he's a better all around two way player and he has the size and length paired with RJ to make the Knick competitive against any wing combo they'd see.

Would they take back a couple of the 1sts they sent NYK to get the #11 along with one or two of the Knicks own picks now that Chet is out for the year? I'm not sure Presti would need as much young player compensation either allowing the Knicks to keep most of their youth. Presti getting picks in acquiring SGA for PG then getting picks for SGA is a win both ways and he doesn't need the rob anyone to pad his rep.

I don't know SGA has the type of league wide respect that would attract another star like Mitchell might but if the Knicks are winning that is enough lure. Besides, if it allows the Knicks to have the assets to trade for another star then that might not even matter much anyway. Maybe Rose should leak this 'rumor' to keep Ainge in his feels about it, it's an interesting idea to consider.

Agreed we should do some probing.
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Post#672 » by god shammgod » Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:40 pm

sga has never shown he can be the main guy offensively for a winning team. maybe he can, maybe he can't. but there's no evidence of him ever doing it. and the knicks need that more than anything else. they had the 11th best defensive rating last year with a bunch of bad defenders (1st best after the all-star break - hi kemba). and were 4th best overall with their best defenders being mitch/noel & reggie bullock 2 years ago. as much sh*t as tom gets for his offense rightfully, he gets the team to play d.

they had the 23rd best offensive rating last year and the 22nd the year before. they need high level scoring way more than anything else.
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Post#673 » by sfernald » Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:41 pm

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Reign23 wrote:I don‘t get this for Utah, unless ainge thinks THT is worth a flyer


What were they going to do with a 34 year vet journeyman on their roster? Might as well flip him for a young player who did show some promise not too long ago.


Plus ex Laker Lebron led team players always seem to show more when they are sent away from lebron. Look no further than Randle, Ingram, Clarkson, even Nance Jr is sort of a stud now..
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Post#674 » by Buttah304 » Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:46 pm

god shammgod wrote:sga has never shown he can be the main guy offensively for a winning team. maybe he can, maybe he can't. but there's no evidence of him ever doing it. and the knicks need that more than anything else. they had the 11th best defensive rating last year with a bunch of bad defenders (1st best after the all-star break - hi kemba). and were 4th best overall with their best defenders being mitch/noel & reggie bullock 2 years ago. as much sh*t as tom gets for his offense rightfully, he gets the team to play d.

they had the 23rd best offensive rating last year and the 22nd the year before. they need high level scoring way more than anything else.


This man gets it.
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Post#675 » by sfernald » Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:50 pm

RHODEY wrote:
HEZI wrote:
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Better Defense, Play making , Size....


He’s taller but less athletic and slower. Overrated as a defender imo. Not a better playmaker. Inferior scorer/vocal leader


He's the better fit, because of size, IMO better play making, and solid defense. We have Thibs as our vocal leader...

Im not sure Mitchell's better scoring (and its really not a huge margin) outweigh the defensive back court issues he'd compound. If the price was less for SGA , he's the better fit IMO. He really doesn't have any major flaws to his game and has not even hit his prime.

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Well, now that Chet is out for the season, this is certainly the time Presti may be up for deal making. It would be hard to put SGA through the ringer with another 20 win complete tank job where he doesn't even play the last third of the season again..
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Post#676 » by N Y K » Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:50 pm

I wonder if GM teams talk about players the same way some of yall do... I hope so just for the comedy of it all.
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Post#677 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:51 pm

god shammgod wrote:sga has never shown he can be the main guy offensively for a winning team. maybe he can, maybe he can't. but there's no evidence of him ever doing it. and the knicks need that more than anything else. they had the 11th best defensive rating last year with a bunch of bad defenders (1st best after the all-star break - hi kemba). and were 4th best overall with their best defenders being mitch/noel & reggie bullock 2 years ago. as much sh*t as tom gets for his offense rightfully, he gets the team to play d.

they had the 23rd best offensive rating last year and the 22nd the year before. they need high level scoring way more than anything else.


Our defensive rating was much better after the All Star break.
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Post#678 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:53 pm

No one is concerned with SGA contract? That's a rookie max deal? He's set to make 40 mil in his fifth year of that deal. I'm not down with that at all if he's nothing special.
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Post#679 » by god shammgod » Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:54 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
god shammgod wrote:sga has never shown he can be the main guy offensively for a winning team. maybe he can, maybe he can't. but there's no evidence of him ever doing it. and the knicks need that more than anything else. they had the 11th best defensive rating last year with a bunch of bad defenders (1st best after the all-star break - hi kemba). and were 4th best overall with their best defenders being mitch/noel & reggie bullock 2 years ago. as much sh*t as tom gets for his offense rightfully, he gets the team to play d.

they had the 23rd best offensive rating last year and the 22nd the year before. they need high level scoring way more than anything else.


Our defensive rating was much better after the All Star break.



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Post#680 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:56 pm

god shammgod wrote:sga has never shown he can be the main guy offensively for a winning team. maybe he can, maybe he can't. but there's no evidence of him ever doing it. and the knicks need that more than anything else. they had the 11th best defensive rating last year with a bunch of bad defenders (1st best after the all-star break - hi kemba). and were 4th best overall with their best defenders being mitch/noel & reggie bullock 2 years ago. as much sh*t as tom gets for his offense rightfully, he gets the team to play d.

they had the 23rd best offensive rating last year and the 22nd the year before. they need high level scoring way more than anything else.


I thought the point of getting DM was to get someone who is elite at scoring and a guy who is a bucket in crunch time. It seems he is better than SGA if that's what you're after.

We're not going after SGA anyway. We landed Brunson and will roll with him. Though SGA can certainly play the # 2 and play off of Brunson, I don't expect this FO is targeting SGA. It's a fan idea, that's all.

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