#10 - Spida Thread - I hate sham

Jalen Bluntson · Post #721 » by **Jalen Bluntson** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:21 pm

Hahn saying what I feel. Don't overpay and don't believe the hype from the media. Draw a line in the sand with a fair offer and be willing to walk away. DM is a good player to get but, he's not the final piece. If he costs too much you don't trade for him. Period.

thebuzzardman · Post #722 » by **thebuzzardman** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:23 pm

Juggynaut wrote:This shows that Evan Fournier is underrated on defense LMAO. And Giddey all alone as the worst no 3 and no D player. No1 even close to touching him.

Knicks should trade for Giddy now that his value is so low. Future 2nd rounder should get it done

Knick4Real · Post #723 » by **Knick4Real** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:24 pm

HerSports85 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Alan Hahn spit knowledge here. It's definitely worth a listen.

Knick4Real · Post #724 » by **Knick4Real** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:25 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:Hahn saying what I feel. Don't overpay and don't believe the hype from the media. Draw a line in the sand with a fair offer and be willing to walk away. DM is a good player to get but, he's not the final piece. If he costs too much you don't trade for him. Period.

HEZI · Post #725 » by **HEZI** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:29 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:
HEZI wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:
Y’all both reaching. Points were strong enough.

SGA is not overrated as a defender.

Donovan Mitchell is a MUCH better scorer than SGA.

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter
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He gets hidden on defense and guards the weakest matchups and doesn’t really make a defensive impact. He’s in the No 3 No D category

Horford in the top-right corner just to show that I've been right.

He was one of the main reasons the Celtics took a leap this year. There were times in the Playoffs where he looked like their best player

DaGawd · Post #726 » by **DaGawd** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:30 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Capn'O wrote:Mitchell played with Gobert, Conley, and a full lineup of legit NBA players. Of course his ability to "win" looks better than SGA's. SGA has been the difference between a plucky team that has a fighting chance in most games and utter annihilation.

He's getting the Rookie max deal right now? Starting this year...31/33/36/38/40 is his contract. That's an awful.lot for a non superstar.

cap might be alil bias…

N Y K · Post #727 » by **N Y K** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:31 pm

HerSports85 wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:
HerSports85 wrote:
Seems like he was doing a lot of talking on Thibs behalf which he has done during the season. But yes he’s more of a front office mouthpiece. Either way we know what he’s saying is coming from the inside

Where can i find this Alan Hahn stuff?

Read on Twitter

I feel like I was just water boarded watching this. Jesus.

Ghetto Gospel · Post #728 » by **Ghetto Gospel** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:31 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Juggynaut wrote:This shows that Evan Fournier is underrated on defense LMAO. And Giddey all alone as the worst no 3 and no D player. No1 even close to touching him.

Knicks should trade for Giddy now that his value is so low. Future 2nd rounder should get it done

has to be top 59 protected though, gotta be sure we don't end up trading the next jokic

Ghetto Gospel · Post #729 » by **Ghetto Gospel** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:37 pm

DaGawd wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Capn'O wrote:Mitchell played with Gobert, Conley, and a full lineup of legit NBA players. Of course his ability to "win" looks better than SGA's. SGA has been the difference between a plucky team that has a fighting chance in most games and utter annihilation.

He's getting the Rookie max deal right now? Starting this year...31/33/36/38/40 is his contract. That's an awful.lot for a non superstar.

cap might be alil bias…

look at who he played with in okc. the guy who hit the most 3s on that team last year was fkn lu dort

DaGawd · Post #730 » by **DaGawd** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:42 pm

Ghetto Gospel wrote:
DaGawd wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
He's getting the Rookie max deal right now? Starting this year...31/33/36/38/40 is his contract. That's an awful.lot for a non superstar.

cap might be alil bias…

look at who he played with in okc. the guy who hit the most 3s on that team last year was fkn lu dort

i like sga and think he can be a legit go to guy on a winner. just poking fun at cap cause that’s his baf player

SelbyCobra · Post #731 » by **SelbyCobra** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:43 pm

As an SGA lover, I have to be honest that his three point shooting this past season has me pretty concerned.

In fact, when you look at his career, the only time he was actively good from deep was in the bubble with no fans. All other distance shooting was either average or below, with the most recent sample being "absolutely horrific". He was literally the worst 3P shooter in the NBA of 145 qualified players last year. Randle was 144th.

If SGA is a terrible three point shooter, then his value in a trade changes drastically to me. He becomes more Dejounte Murray than an ascending, potential franchise cornerstone.

stuporman · Post #732 » by **stuporman** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:46 pm

VirginiaKnickFan wrote:
stuporman wrote:
VirginiaKnickFan wrote:I wonder if the delay is tied to the Knicks waiting on the league's investigation of the Brunson signing. If they have to forfeit a pick, that complicates any Jazz deal.

How does forfeiting a second rounder complicate anything?

Are we sure it couldn't be a 1st?

What makes you think it would be?

3toheadmelo · Post #733 » by **3toheadmelo** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:47 pm

knicks would be grateful to land either donovan mitchell or sga. beggars cant be choosers. at this point yall just being picky lol

F N 11 · Post #734 » by **F N 11** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:50 pm

Keep posting Raw for the higher Iq people thanks.

Post #735 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:51 pm

HEZI wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
HEZI wrote:

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter
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He gets hidden on defense and guards the weakest matchups and doesn’t really make a defensive impact. He’s in the No 3 No D category

He has had a negative DEF RAPTOR all 3 years too. Again not an end all be all stat but I wouldn't call him a plus defender.

Yeah I think folks that still call him a good defender haven’t seen him since Kentucky. I don’t think theu watch OKC games and follow him like that to know that he’s been bad defender in the league

I’m folks. I have not watched him much in OKC. (Who’s doing that to themselves?) I do remember college and LAC where he looked the part on a team that was trying.

Post #736 » by **Capn'O** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:52 pm

SelbyCobra wrote:As an SGA lover, I have to be honest that his three point shooting this past season has me pretty concerned.

In fact, when you look at his career, the only time he was actively good from deep was in the bubble with no fans. All other distance shooting was either average or below, with the most recent sample being "absolutely horrific". He was literally the worst 3P shooter in the NBA of 145 qualified players last year. Randle was 144th.

If SGA is a terrible three point shooter, then his value in a trade changes drastically to me. He becomes more Dejounte Murray than an ascending, potential franchise cornerstone.

My theory is he had trouble adjusting the new ball. His percentages were way down across the board to start the year and before they shut him down he was shooting much better. He's not a great spot up shooter but I think he's going to be enough of a threat that you can't sag from him and then once he's in motion he's an elite finisher. I believe he will be a great stop and pop midrange player a la CP3 as well. He's already very good. The way he scores is not easy to shut down in playoff situations. He'll just beat you with guile and he doesn't give it away at the other end.

stuporman · Post #737 » by **stuporman** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:53 pm

I didn't realize SGA had a contract like that...it definitely does give me reason to rethink that whole thing.

I still think he's a good fit, he had one bad season from 3, one really good one and a couple of average ones, he's not as terrible from there as some are making it out to be.

Post #738 » by **Capn'O** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:54 pm

DaGawd wrote:
Ghetto Gospel wrote:
DaGawd wrote:cap might be alil bias…

look at who he played with in okc. the guy who hit the most 3s on that team last year was fkn lu dort

i like sga and think he can be a legit go to guy on a winner. just poking fun at cap cause that’s his baf player

It's true. This is basically Rick Brunson talking about Jalen Brunson.

Ghetto Gospel · Post #739 » by **Ghetto Gospel** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:54 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
HEZI wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:
Y’all both reaching. Points were strong enough.

SGA is not overrated as a defender.

Donovan Mitchell is a MUCH better scorer than SGA.

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter
?

He gets hidden on defense and guards the weakest matchups and doesn’t really make a defensive impact. He’s in the No 3 No D category

He has had a negative DEF RAPTOR all 3 years too. Again not an end all be all stat but I wouldn't call him a plus defender.

negative def raptor for 3 years hasn't stopped people from calling rj a plus defender

NYKat · Post #740 » by **NYKat** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:57 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:Hahn saying what I feel. Don't overpay and don't believe the hype from the media. Draw a line in the sand with a fair offer and be willing to walk away. DM is a good player to get but, he's not the final piece. If he costs too much you don't trade for him. Period.

Amen..

I have never been pro tank guy but I would rather we fire Thibs and do a full on tank for the next couple of years then give up 3+ unprotected picks and all of your youth depth for Donovan…

We’ll keep our assets and just wait for the next disgruntled star, f*ck that