Woj: RJ Barrett, Knicks Finalizing 4-Year Rookie Extension Worth Up to $120M

[Lost Angel]

I really like this deal for the Knicks. RJ averaged 20 and 6 last season at 22 years old.

He’s also accomplished something only 5 players before him have done — LBJ, Luka, MJ, Kobe, and I forget the last player but that is damn good company.

[urgal]

120 Mil for Brunson, Barrett, Randle and Fournier

[taikibansei]

120 Mil for Brunson, Barrett, Randle and Fournier

Again, RJ gets 120 million only if he meets the following incentives:

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I believe it's 105 million over the term of his contact if he does not--which is about league average for starters in his position.

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Real knicks fans have knicks avatars I feel I must say.

[jazzed77]

Seems like a good deal for a promising young player who has already put up decent stats. I don't really know what it means for any trade with the jazz other than I can't imagine RJ being involved. It doesn't seem to make much sense for the Knicks trading for him but it never really did

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The Knicks and Kings, two incompetent organizations, two treadmill teams (until further notice). They're interchangeable.

I don't think that being a fan of an incompetent franchise should prevent anybody from criticizing another, by the way.

[Zenzibar]

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[MalonesElbows]

Any word what his contract amounts to without all star selections? Because he certainly won't be getting those.

[Ruma85]

Any word what his contract amounts to without all star selections? Because he certainly won't be getting those.

105 million.

[Zenzibar]

120 Mil for Brunson, Barrett, Randle and Fournier

2022-23 Dallas Mavericks Salary Cap Totals
The Mavericks are currently over the league salary cap. This means Cap Holds & Exceptions are NOT included in their Total Cap Allocations, and renouncing these figures will not afford them any cap space. The team may only sign outside players using any available exceptions or at league minimum salaries.


CAP TYPE CAP TOTAL
Active Roster Cap $163,132,392
Dead Money $1,782,621
Cap Holds $6,669,465
Total Cap Allocations $171,584,478
Salary Cap Maximum

[Jadoogar]

He's a good young player that still has loads of potential, so I see no issue here. I know people will cry overpay, but Jaylen Brown signed a similar contract years ago (for less money though) and look where he is now. Remember that people clowned the **** out of that deal. I don't know much about RJ's work ethic, but hopefully he keeps improving and lives up to that contract so it becomes a bargain for the Knicks down the line.

The real question, like Woj said, is if this takes the Knicks out of the Mitchell sweepstakes. If they can still pull it off, good for them.

Honestly, I’d take RJ over Mitchell so I wouldn’t worry about it too much if I was a Knicks fan.

i'm not the biggest Mitchell fan but he's getting underrated now. Mitchell is a lot better than RJ

[Zenzibar]

He's a good young player that still has loads of potential, so I see no issue here. I know people will cry overpay, but Jaylen Brown signed a similar contract years ago (for less money though) and look where he is now. Remember that people clowned the **** out of that deal. I don't know much about RJ's work ethic, but hopefully he keeps improving and lives up to that contract so it becomes a bargain for the Knicks down the line.

The real question, like Woj said, is if this takes the Knicks out of the Mitchell sweepstakes. If they can still pull it off, good for them.

Honestly, I’d take RJ over Mitchell so I wouldn’t worry about it too much if I was a Knicks fan.

i'm not the biggest Mitchell fan but he's getting underrated now. Mitchell is a lot better than RJ

DMitch will be making $37 million in 2026, let's see if he's $17 million better than RJ by then.

[Zenzibar]

Any word what his contract amounts to without all star selections? Because he certainly won't be getting those.

HAHA, Utah waddup?

[ConSarnit]

Honestly, I’d take RJ over Mitchell so I wouldn’t worry about it too much if I was a Knicks fan.

i'm not the biggest Mitchell fan but he's getting underrated now. Mitchell is a lot better than RJ

DMitch will be making $37 million in 2026, let's see if he's $17 million better than RJ by then.

Is RJ’s deal declining? If not there is no way there would be a $17m gap.

Either way, this deal seems ok.

First 2 years: probably overpay

Last 2 years: fair or underpay

If RJ is making $26m in 2025/26 when the cap is likely $150m that’s the equivalent of him making $20m today. I don’t think anyone should have an issue with him making $20m/year (or the future equivalent).

Barring disaster, the cap going up in 2025 will make this deal fair or even good value. I’m actually sort of surprised he didn’t get more.

[hardenASG13]

For those criticizing the deal, are you saying the Knicks should let their best draft pick in recent memory walk rather than extend him? If not, what exactly is the problem? Guys that can average over 20ppg don't grow on trees. This extension is pretty standard business, and he can absolutely become an all star level guard.

[Crunch 99]

i'm not the biggest Mitchell fan but he's getting underrated now. Mitchell is a lot better than RJ

Mitchell is darn good and still has upside, including on the defensive end with his big wingspan. He has played good D before, but last season, Mitchell and the rest of the Jazz players got too reliant on Rudy Gobert cleaning up the defense for everyone.

Player A and player B below have very similar output. Player A got fourth in MVP voting last season while player B at same age and output has been getting bashed a bit on Real GM lately.

Per 100 Possessions
Player A:
37.4 points, 6.8 assists, 7.0 rebounds, 57.6ts%, 113 O Rating, 109 D Rating, 3.6 VORP, 4.1 BPM, .156 WS/48, 32.0 USG%

Player B:
37.8 points, 7.8 assists, 6.2 rebounds, 57.2 ts%, 114 O Rating, 111 D Rating, 3.6 VORP, 4.3 BPM, .152 WS/48, 32.9 USG%

Spoiler:

Player A is Devin Booker, Player B is Donovan Mitchell, both are 25 years old

[urgal]

120 Mil for Brunson, Barrett, Randle and Fournier

2022-23 Dallas Mavericks Salary Cap Totals
The Mavericks are currently over the league salary cap. This means Cap Holds & Exceptions are NOT included in their Total Cap Allocations, and renouncing these figures will not afford them any cap space. The team may only sign outside players using any available exceptions or at league minimum salaries.


CAP TYPE CAP TOTAL
Active Roster Cap $163,132,392
Dead Money $1,782,621
Cap Holds $6,669,465
Total Cap Allocations $171,584,478
Salary Cap Maximum

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How about you make the playoffs first huh?

[HotelVitale]

I know people will cry overpay, but Jaylen Brown signed a similar contract years ago (for less money though) and look where he is now. Remember that people clowned the **** out of that deal. I don't know much about RJ's work ethic, but hopefully he keeps improving and lives up to that contract so it becomes a bargain for the Knicks down the line.

Not saying this will end up a bad move but the comp to Jaylen Brown isn't a good justification for it, for many reasons. First is the basic point that Brown is one player who happened to turn into an amazing rookie extension guy, no reason to single out probably the best extension of the last 15 years as the norm--why is Barrett going to end up more like Brown than say Wiggins or Otto Porter or Chandler Parsons or MKG or G Dieng or Gary Harris? Almost all of whom either got a lot less than Barrett or were more accomplished players at the time of extension than Barrett is now (see below).

Second, Brown was at worst a steady starter who had shown very high-level two-way abilities at the time of his extension. Brown both had higher highs--his entire 2018 playoff run for example--and never had the consistent struggles that Barrett had. To take the most common criticism of efficiency, Brown was right about at league average TS% for the two years before his extension while Barrett was at like 6% below league average last year at 51% TS, one of the worst marks for any big-minutes starter (let alone a score first guy). And that hasn't been improving steadily, he actually went backwards last year on that.

Don't mean this as a knock on RJ, since he definitely does have a lot of upside and potential. Just seems very thin and unreliable to base anything on a comp to J Brown, totally different situation that could very definitely end up totally differently.

[HotelVitale]

Honestly, I’d take RJ over Mitchell so I wouldn’t worry about it too much if I was a Knicks fan.

i'm not the biggest Mitchell fan but he's getting underrated now. Mitchell is a lot better than RJ

DMitch will be making $37 million in 2026, let's see if he's $17 million better than RJ by then.

No expert but if it's a standard contract, RJ will be making something like $32m in 2026 himself. That's on the low end, assuming he doesn't hit any incentives and makes an average of $26m per year (105 total /4 years). Usually increases 10% each year, so his deal would be loosely something like 22/25/28/32 each year.