State of Cowboys Union?

[Micah Prescott]

Under Clint Murchinson we went 208-79-2 over two decades playing 14 games a year. Accepting being average at best and letting Jerry off the hook all the time while believing everything that comes out of his mouth is one of the big differences between the new Cowboy fan base and the old.

You said he was "3rd worst owner over the last 2 decades".

As though you had thought this out, and only 2 other owners in the NFL were worse.

Yet Dallas went 181-156 over the past 2 decades.

Here are some other records in that time frame.
Browns: 110-225
Lions: 119-216
Jaguars: 128-208
Raiders: 133-203
Redskins: 140-196
Cardinals: 145-189

Then you got other losing franchises like the Jets, Bengals, Texans, Bills, Dolphins, Panthers, Chargers, etc.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Under Clint Murchinson we went 208-79-2 over two decades playing 14 games a year. Accepting being average at best and letting Jerry off the hook all the time while believing everything that comes out of his mouth is one of the big differences between the new Cowboy fan base and the old.

You said he was "3rd worst owner over the last 2 decades".

As though you had thought this out, and only 2 other owners in the NFL were worse.

Yet Dallas went 181-156 over the past 2 decades.

Here are some other records in that time frame.
Browns: 110-225
Lions: 119-216
Jaguars: 128-208
Raiders: 133-203
Redskins: 140-196
Cardinals: 145-189

Then you got other losing franchises like the Jets, Bengals, Texans, Bills, Dolphins, Panthers, Chargers, etc.

You proved my point so well in your last post. Your comparing Jerry's Cowboys the past two decades with the likes of the Lions, Jaguars, Jets, Redskins, Texans and Browns. Its offensive and embarrassing to even admit that imho. In my day we were always compared to the Steelers, 49ers, packers, Raiders and Dolphins, not the middle of the road and crap franchises. 181- 156 is just not acceptable. Its fine. You accept being mediocre. The old guard doesn't.

[Micah Prescott]

I was just pointing out that there are absolutely more than 2 others that have done worse. You probably understood that though.

[bluejerseyjinx]

You keep defending Jerry and his ways. Apparently its been working for you for 26 years and you are just fine with it. Bad drafts, bad trades, bad coaches, red flag players, bad contracts, suspendtions, etc., keep cycling around every six years. Then the cycle constantly repeats itself for over two decades. How does an owner and franchise expect things to get better or just improve when the same mind set and behaviors are relentlessly repeated? But you love Jerry and comfortable with always being a middle of the road franchise, so who am I to tell you how to enjoy our Cowboys now being compared to the Lions, Browns, Texans, Foreskins, Jets and Jaguars.

[Micah Prescott]

I'm never said I'm okay with everything the front office does. I'm not. I'm simply trying to be realistic. He isn't bottom-3. And it's impossible to take anyone seriously who goes that extreme.

Would you take anything I said seriously if I declared that Jerry is the greatest owner ever? Your comments are the equivalent of that. The reality is that as a GM Jerry is somewhere in the middle. Above .500

And the other reality is that owners can only do so much, they aren't on the field playing the actual game. Jerry didn't injure Tyron's knee. It's a group effort and never just one individual. The only time sports is just one individual is boxing or tennis and even then those athletes have others helping them.

Last season with you it after literally every loss "OH F@#K YOU JERRY JONES!!!!"

[bluejerseyjinx]

Because Jerry is suppose to be the supreme leader of the team. He is the one who signs off on the coaches and everyone he appoints to the front office. He's the one most of the time that has final say on trades, contracts and draft choices. Jerry probably would be a great owner for all those above mentioned crappy franchises you mentioned in a early post, but not here.

[Mr B]

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[Micah Prescott]

I'm definitely not a blind follower. Mistakes have been made lately. Cooper should still be a Cowboy. Collins should as well. If we don't sign Eric Fisher or something close to that I will declare that a mistake. I am happy we used a 1st on a tackle though, success there.

Had the comment just been "Jerry is the worst ever" I would have written it off as dramatized hyperbole and ignored.

But it was "3rd worst ever over the last 2 decades" which is extremely specific making me believe this was very literal. So while the Cowboys have made disappointing mistakes and are far from perfect, they are no where near the worst franchise in the NFL and Jerry has realistically done better than most over that time frame. Being a fringe playoff team isn't what anyone wants, but it still beats the hell out of being a gutter franchise and this league has plenty of that.

Believing the Cowboys can do no wrong is being blind. But so believing the Cowboys can do no right. Those two extremes are equals.

[Micah Prescott]

Also aside from any one person, the NFL is an EXTREMELY difficult sport to dominate in, just because of all the facets involved.

It isn't the NBA where one or two dominate players can take you to the Finals each and every season. There are 3 completely separate teams, offense, defense, special, that all have 11 on field and are tremendously difficult to maintain year after year.

The NBA also gets a 7 game series in each playoff round to help eliminate "LUCK". In the NFL it is any given Sunday and the difference between a win and loss can be one unlucky fumble. The best team does not always win in the NFL.

[bluejerseyjinx]

I guess growing up in the late 60's and 70's and going through all that success has turned me into the old school, spoiled club. All we had was success for 20 straight years after Landry built the team from scratch. Winning the division was always a given. We always knew we were going to the playoffs. It was always a matter of of how deep we went into the playoffs every year. (In those 20 years we went to 12 NFC Championship games in 17 years along with 2 NFL Championship games and 5 Super Bowls). During all those years we watched and witnessed what it took to be Super Bowl contender year after year. Most of the time we had the best of the best in every position on the field and in the front office and those running things. (Tom Landry & Tex Schramm). Leadership at every level.
Since Jerry fired Tom Landry and a few years later, Jimmy Johnson (after winning back to back Super Bowls) there has been absolutely no leadership from top to bottom after Aikman, Smith, Irvin, etc., gutted out one more Super Bowl in 1996. Jerry has not even come close to keeping up with with the rich, traditional America's team history that we handed off to him. Back then we compared ourselves with the greatest teams in NFL history. Today's generation of Cowboy fans are content with just being better than the Jaguars, Redskins, Texans, Browns and Jets and happy with comparing themselves with other middle of the road teams. It doesn't work for us. Sorry.

[Micah Prescott]

The only team in the NFL that has come close to that type of success is the Patriots. It's a different league now. Not only more teams but way more athletic talent spread out. Everyone is much bigger and faster.



Offensive linemen are almost 100 lbs bigger today.

Back then Len Dawson was smoking cigarettes on the sidelines and many NFL players in the 60s had another part time job.

Less teams too.

90s Cowboys can more easily be compared but even the 90s are a bit different than now.

[Cactus Jack]

I guess growing up in the late 60's and 70's and going through all that success has turned me into the old school, spoiled club. All we had was success for 20 straight years after Landry built the team from scratch. Winning the division was always a given. We always knew we were going to the playoffs. It was always a matter of of how deep we went into the playoffs every year. (In those 20 years we went to 12 NFC Championship games in 17 years along with 2 NFL Championship games and 5 Super Bowls). During all those years we watched and witnessed what it took to be Super Bowl contender year after year. Most of the time we had the best of the best in every position on the field and in the front office and those running things. (Tom Landry & Tex Schramm). Leadership at every level.
Since Jerry fired Tom Landry and a few years later, Jimmy Johnson (after winning back to back Super Bowls) there has been absolutely no leadership from top to bottom after Aikman, Smith, Irvin, etc., gutted out one more Super Bowl in 1996. Jerry has not even come close to keeping up with with the rich, traditional America's team history that we handed off to him. Back then we compared ourselves with the greatest teams in NFL history. Today's generation of Cowboy fans are content with just being better than the Jaguars, Redskins, Texans, Browns and Jets and happy with comparing themselves with other middle of the road teams. It doesn't work for us. Sorry.

Those old teams that you mention didn't have to deal with the current rules & Free Agency.

The NFL is a completely different beast today.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Forget it. My argument has nothing to do with the talent back in the 70's compared to now. Football has evolved since the very beginning of day one going back to 1932. Many coaches and players have always come along and pushed all the limits of football and revolutionized the game in route. Systems, players, coaches, etc., have always had to change and keep up with the times or they are left behind along with their organizations. Those that don't keep up, don't last very long at all. I'm talking about LEADERSHIP, CULTURE, OWNERSHIP, DISIPLINE, ETC., and your using a straw man argument that has no merit in what I'm trying to say.

[bluejerseyjinx]

I guess growing up in the late 60's and 70's and going through all that success has turned me into the old school, spoiled club. All we had was success for 20 straight years after Landry built the team from scratch. Winning the division was always a given. We always knew we were going to the playoffs. It was always a matter of of how deep we went into the playoffs every year. (In those 20 years we went to 12 NFC Championship games in 17 years along with 2 NFL Championship games and 5 Super Bowls). During all those years we watched and witnessed what it took to be Super Bowl contender year after year. Most of the time we had the best of the best in every position on the field and in the front office and those running things. (Tom Landry & Tex Schramm). Leadership at every level.
Since Jerry fired Tom Landry and a few years later, Jimmy Johnson (after winning back to back Super Bowls) there has been absolutely no leadership from top to bottom after Aikman, Smith, Irvin, etc., gutted out one more Super Bowl in 1996. Jerry has not even come close to keeping up with with the rich, traditional America's team history that we handed off to him. Back then we compared ourselves with the greatest teams in NFL history. Today's generation of Cowboy fans are content with just being better than the Jaguars, Redskins, Texans, Browns and Jets and happy with comparing themselves with other middle of the road teams. It doesn't work for us. Sorry.

Those old teams that you mention didn't have to deal with the current rules & Free Agency.

The NFL is a completely different beast today.

I'm sure a young Tom Landry and Tex Schramm would have done a much better job adapting to today's game and way of doing things compared to Jerry with McCarthy, Campo, Phillips, etc., please. THERE IS NO LEADERSHIP IN TODAY'S COWBOY CULTURE.

[Micah Prescott]

Listen, I've been frustrated and I'm sure most Cowboy fans have. But what has been going on is that we've had adequate regular season success and then poor post season results. I think the blame can be spread to various things including Jerry, including players, and including just being flat out unlucky.

Our current management is good enough to get us into the post season. And no one should be satisfied with just that alone, but it does earn them separation from "3rd worst in the NFL".

I'm not happy with the way this offseason has gone at all. I feel like this is a worse roster than last season's roster. And I do blame management for that. Hopefully this team surprises me because my feeling going into it is not a good one.

THAT SAID, I still feel like we should at least win NFCE. The other franchises in our division have worse management than Jerry.

[Micah Prescott]

It is possible that the defense takes a step forward this season. If preseason is any indication it looks like Jerry might have found a stud in Sam Williams. And Parsons should also advance a bit.

Not feeling great about the offense though SMH.

Thin and OL, and thin at WR.

We need some players to step up and surprise us. Maybe Zeke has an unexpected return to form because he knows it's a contract year and will be released after this. Maybe Jalen Tolbert surprises everyone. Something unexpected needs to happen though.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Listen, I've been frustrated and I'm sure most Cowboy fans have. But what has been going on is that we've had adequate regular season success and then poor post season results. I think the blame can be spread to various things including Jerry, including players, and including just being flat out unlucky.

Our current management is good enough to get us into the post season. And no one should be satisfied with just that alone, but it does earn them separation from "3rd worst in the NFL".

I'm not happy with the way this offseason has gone at all. I feel like this is a worse roster than last season's roster. And I do blame management for that. Hopefully this team surprises me because my feeling going into it is not a good one.

THAT SAID, I still feel like we should at least win NFCE. The other franchises in our division have worse management than Jerry.

Jerry Jones owner and GM = 2 playoff wins in 27 years. Jaguars have more playoff wins than us during that time. If you want to continue to defend and suck Jerry's wee wee for his performance as owner and Gm all these years, that's your right. Go for it. Apparently the curse of Jerry is working on you. I'm not giving him an ounce of support and credit for doing nothing but screwing up every level of this organization under his LEADERSHIP. Imo Jerry is easily in the top 3 of worst owners and for sure, GM. But we will leave this subject alone for a while. I believe you are currently the only Cowboy poster in here that takes these lengths to defend him.

[bluejerseyjinx]

It is possible that the defense takes a step forward this season. If preseason is any indication it looks like Jerry might have found a stud in Sam Williams. And Parsons should also advance a bit.

Not feeling great about the offense though SMH.

Thin and OL, and thin at WR.

We need some players to step up and surprise us. Maybe Zeke has an unexpected return to form because he knows it's a contract year and will be released after this. Maybe Jalen Tolbert surprises everyone. Something unexpected needs to happen though.

Don't expect any kind of return by our famous substance abusing molly junkie. His body and mind are cashed.

[Micah Prescott]

We've had 3 playoff wins since 2009 and 4 since the 96 SuperBowl win which was 26 years ago.

Romo had 2 playoff wins and Dak has 1 so far.

I believe you are currently the only Cowboy poster in here that takes these lengths to defend him.

I'm one of like 3 or 4 active posters in here

[Mr B]

It is possible that the defense takes a step forward this season. If preseason is any indication it looks like Jerry might have found a stud in Sam Williams. And Parsons should also advance a bit.

Not feeling great about the offense though SMH.

Thin and OL, and thin at WR.

We need some players to step up and surprise us. Maybe Zeke has an unexpected return to form because he knows it's a contract year and will be released after this. Maybe Jalen Tolbert surprises everyone. Something unexpected needs to happen though.

Short answer, yes.

Long answer, hell yes. Parsons will absolutely wreck havoc on offenses this year. Going into his second season he should be able to play more on instinct and not have to think so much about what his assignment is. That’s a SCARY thought for offenses. Something will have to go horribly wrong for him to not be the favorite for DPOY by the end of the season. That alone is going to help the pass rush which should then help the secondary. I’m not expecting Diggs to get 11 picks again this season but the overall defense should be right on par with what they did last year when it comes to the overall defense.