Is Desmond Bane the new build for 3 and D?

[Ein Sof]

No. A lot of players in the league are "jacked". Bane is just stupid beefy and guys like that aren't too common.

Also, a short wingspan isn't very optimal lol



BTW, Bane is one of the most underrated players in the league, arguably all-star level already.

[Lalouie]

too short to be the new paradigm
with the league getting longer every year
and allowing for less contact and more offense

bane's body type is actually a regression of the the evolution

Is this a poem? Sounded poetic, I'll give you a +1.

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the ultimate goal is haiku of course

[dc]

No. A lot of players in the league are "jacked". Bane is just stupid beefy and guys like that aren't too common.

Also, a short wingspan isn't very optimal lol.

Yeah I mean, it seemed like every wing taken in the last draft was somewhere around 6'5" w/o shoes with a 6'10" or greater wingspan. Bane is an outlier. Doesn't seem like teams are going to be specifically looking for his type of build.

[Shock Defeat]

Um, Bane is great not because of his build, it's because he's a dead-eye shooter. Lots of dudes can work out and look like him, they won't be anywhere near Bane if they don't have his elite jumpshot

[Antinomy]

If Bane had a wingspan like Mikal Bridges, he’d have a max contract already.

[whitehops]

obviously having length has a ton of benefits both defending on-ball and off-ball, but having a strong, condensed frame definitely does have benefits in 1v1 defense. you can look at guards like smart, lowry, FVV, etc. that can hold their own against much bigger players because they have a strong, low base.

more than this condensed body type becoming the norm, i'd recommend any player with a short wingspan/reach to beef up so they at least can hold their ground and keep the opposing player to muscling their way to better shots. strongly contesting shots (with length) is a good thing but having the strength to knock them off balance is a good thing too.

[shangrila]

If Bane had a wingspan like Mikal Bridges, he’d have a max contract already.

As in...Memphis would decline a team option so they can pay him sooner?

Wow, guess length really does matter.

[Shock Defeat]

If Bane had a wingspan like Mikal Bridges, he’d have a max contract already.

As in...Memphis would decline a team option so they can pay him sooner?

Wow, guess length really does matter.

If Bane had a wingspan like Bridges, he would have been a top 5 pick easily and no where near Memphis.

[og15]

Maybe someone like Dort since he has a better wingspan, but his 3 obviously is just average. Bane seems like more than a 3/D guy, but depends on how expansively one is using that term. The defensive guys who have the strong base have more defensive versatility because then they don't have matchups that can bully them. Bridges for example has the wingspan, length, quickness, but he can get bullied if he goes up against someone strong. Dort is not getting pushed around, but he can also keep up laterally with your PG.

[og15]

obviously having length has a ton of benefits both defending on-ball and off-ball, but having a strong, condensed frame definitely does have benefits in 1v1 defense. you can look at guards like smart, lowry, FVV, etc. that can hold their own against much bigger players because they have a strong, low base.

more than this condensed body type becoming the norm, i'd recommend any player with a short wingspan/reach to beef up so they at least can hold their ground and keep the opposing player to muscling their way to better shots. strongly contesting shots (with length) is a good thing but having the strength to knock them off balance is a good thing too.

Sadly though, that body type is genetics, and for example, a guy like Dwight Howard was never going to have tree trunk legs, and neither is someone like Bridges. Bulking up in the upper body, and in general to add more weight helps, but it won't replace the genetics of a larger lower body.

[jefe]

If Bane had a wingspan like Mikal Bridges, he’d have a max contract already.

As in...Memphis would decline a team option so they can pay him sooner?

Wow, guess length really does matter.

If Bane had a wingspan like Bridges, he would have been a top 5 pick easily and no where near Memphis.

Somewhat true, but he was still an upperclassmen at TCU, which would have hurt his draft stock regardless of his notorious wingspan.

[brutalitops]

It's almost criminal how little respect Bane gets in most circles, especially amongst NBA media.
When rumors run rampant on guys like Herro and Maxey potentially headlining a Durant deal, Bane is not considered a big enough name even though I would have a hard time trading him for both those players combined with all things considered, namely the eventual re-up contracts vs. performance. The funny thing is he most likely will command a lower contract in comparison while being while being the much better player.

Bane was honestly one of my picks for all star

Dude is a **** stud and isnt talked about. He did everything Memphis asked,
Guard the best guard,
His 3p% was fantastic, Volume was increased and he did it not just from spotting up, but from handoffs and off the dribble at a great volume, When needed he took over playmaking (Somewhere he could grow, But you have Morant/Jones so at worst Bane just needs to run a few plays)

I think in terms of form he was a top 6 SG in the league last season.

[Godymas]

It's almost criminal how little respect Bane gets in most circles, especially amongst NBA media.
When rumors run rampant on guys like Herro and Maxey potentially headlining a Durant deal, Bane is not considered a big enough name even though I would have a hard time trading him for both those players combined with all things considered, namely the eventual re-up contracts vs. performance. The funny thing is he most likely will command a lower contract in comparison while being while being the much better player.

honestly, with JJJ out I see Bane having an even bigger role on offense, averaging 22 ppg this season and maybe even making an All Star team. He also deserved MIP last season but he could get it this season if he REALLY takes a jump to like 25 ppg.

[oldschooled]

This dude is getting underrated here. Imo Bane is more than a 3&D. Memphis was steamrolling even when Ja was out most of the season.

[BodieB]

I can't see there ever being a more ideal "build" for 3 and D than Kawhi and MWP.

[Godymas]

If Bane had a wingspan like Mikal Bridges, he’d have a max contract already.

As in...Memphis would decline a team option so they can pay him sooner?

Wow, guess length really does matter.

If Bane had a wingspan like Bridges, he would have been a top 5 pick easily and no where near Memphis.

Kawhi Leonard has a 7'3 wingspan and was still selected late lottery

[Monky15]

He's making me wonder what Buddy Hield could of been like if he had a heart.

[mcfly1204]

I just imagined NBA scouts scouring college rosters looking for more wings with t-rex arms. "Look at this guy, he can't even touch his waist. Jackpot!"

[longtallbrad]

too short to be the new paradigm
with the league getting longer every year
and allowing for less contact and more offense

bane's body type is actually a regression of the the evolution

Is this a poem? Sounded poetic, I'll give you a +1.

Beautiful take. I salute you. And if I knew how, I'd embroider Lalouie's post onto a tea towel.

[HotelVitale]

Um, Bane is great not because of his build, it's because he's a dead-eye shooter. Lots of dudes can work out and look like him, they won't be anywhere near Bane if they don't have his elite jumpshot

Right, realgm's worst characteristic is this oversimplifying of trends, player development, draft prospects etc, to make simple points or takes that focus on personality or whatever and make the game not about the game. Dennis Smith Jr or Josh Jackson (random examples) didn't fail because of some coach or some flaw in their wingspans or whatever, they failed because they couldn't score or create consistently and efficiently against the best players in the world while playing at full NBA speed. There's no simple reason for that, it has to do with literally thousands of little things they couldn't pull off as well as the average NBA player, and it's all just a matter of a couple inches here and there where their shots were off, a little bit less touch here or a gap that was too small for their reaction time.

Bane's good because he does those thousands of things better than anyone expected. Big part is the shooting--he can do it consistently in real-game situations and has adapted his release and body control fully to the NBA--but he also takes care of the ball really well and doens't extend it an inch too far in transition and doens't put himself a second too long in no-man's land. And on defense he doesn't reach for a second too long or fail to slide his feet for a second while closing a gap on his defensive help rotations. He just makes the right play most of the time on both ends, does the exact thing that lets him be effective in the NBA. His strength sometimes helps with that but it's not a make or break thing or close to it; he could have 5 lbs less upper-body muscle and it probably wouldn't effect a thing, but if he lost 10% of his touch or timing he'd probably be toast in the NBA. He's just a guy who adapted really really well to the NBA game, no way to predict that or game the draft by picking people with his same wingspan or bicep diameter or taste in music or whatever.