Charles Barkley vs Reggie Miller

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Charles Barkley
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81%
Reggie Miller
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19%
 
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Re: Charles Barkley vs Reggie Miller 

Post#21 » by falcolombardi » Wed Aug 31, 2022 9:28 pm

henshao wrote:I may be misremembering this but I feel Barkley was actually a surprisingly effective rim-protector, ala Wade


He sure had the athletism and lenght for it,although providing wade level rim protection out of the guard position is a lot more valuable than out of the forward position
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Re: Charles Barkley vs Reggie Miller 

Post#22 » by Im Your Father » Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:50 pm

Dooley wrote:
RCM88x wrote:
Dooley wrote:Both of them would be great offensive engines in the modern era. Chuck would be phenomenal on that end. But modern teams are also really good at building an offense around an off-ball shooting machine like Reggie. And the gap between Chuck and Reggie as scorers was already surprisingly small, given the substantial gap in historical reputation between them.

Defensively, I think Chuck would have problems in the modern era. He was already an uneven defender in his own day and teams today are much more committed to mercilessly attacking big men with problems in space, especially in the playoffs. I don't think Chuck would be a better defender than Jokic, and very likely would be worse, while offering less on offense. And we already have people arguing that Jokic is incapable of being a top 5 player in the postseason due to his defensive problems.

Basically, if you think that it's next to impossible to win with Jokic as your best player in the modern era for defensive reasons, that logic should also apply to Chuck.


The thing that can save Barkley in this sort of thing is that he's not a C. With Jokic, it's impossible (well maybe not really but it would be very hard to find someone to fill the role) to play him at the 4. He has to play the 5 which makes him much easier to target and put a much bigger load on his shoulders defensively. Barkley would probably be more like a 3-4 defensively and would be easier to cover with other wings on switches and whatnot.

Maybe it's just so out of the norm these days for a team to be able to cover the weaknesses of a defensive liability at the 5 that it's hard to picture a situation like that, but I don't think its impossible. Just far more probable/easier for teams to cover someone who's effectively a wing/PF.

Yeah, it's plausible - and it's also plausible that it's just not an insurmountable issue for either of them.

But I'm just not sure that I totally buy that it's much easier to hide a true PF from being targeted on pick n rolls than it is a center. And I'm not really sure you want Barkley switching much, or playing like a 3. He's not really a modern-day jumbo wing type player IMO.


He didn’t seem to have particularly slow feet though?

I think his issues were more lack of attentiveness/motivation, which remain big problems to be sure but I don’t think make him more susceptible to being hunted on switches any more than most modern 4s.
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Re: Charles Barkley vs Reggie Miller 

Post#23 » by Stan » Wed Aug 31, 2022 11:34 pm

In Reggie Miller's 20 year career he never made an All-NBA 2nd Team or finished top 10 in MVP voting. This is an absolutely preposterous question.
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Re: Charles Barkley vs Reggie Miller 

Post#24 » by Dooley » Wed Aug 31, 2022 11:38 pm

Stan wrote:In Reggie Miller's 20 year career he never made an All-NBA 2nd Team or finished top 10 in MVP voting. This is an absolutely preposterous question.

The question is not "who had a higher reputation during their career" or even "who was a better player during their career"
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Re: Charles Barkley vs Reggie Miller 

Post#25 » by penbeast0 » Wed Aug 31, 2022 11:39 pm

In Charles Barkley's 16 year career as a 6-5/6-6 inch forward, he shot .266 from 3. This is an absolutely preposterous question.

When you get a unique player, he can be difficult to judge and Reggie in his day was a pretty unique player.
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