OT: Duke vs BYU Racial Slur UPDATE

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OT: Duke vs BYU Racial Slur UPDATE 

Post#1 » by mastermixer » Thu Sep 1, 2022 3:15 pm

Very strange update. I wonder what really happened.

Man Banned from BYU Game Does Not Appear to Have Said Racial Slur, Authorities Say

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A man who was banned during a volleyball game between Brigham Young University and Duke University last week for allegedly yelling the N-word at a player does not appear to have actually said a slur after all, BYU campus police said Tuesday.

BYU Police Lt. George Besendorfer said that an initial review of surveillance footage revealed that the man who was banned was not shouting anything at the time he was alleged to have yelled a slur at Duke sophomore Rachel Richardson, who is the only black starter on the team, while she was serving.

“When we watched the video, we did not observe that behavior from him,” he said, adding that the incident is still under investigation.

The investigation comes after Richardson said she “very distinctly” heard a “very strong and negative racial slur” during Friday’s game, according to the Salt Lake Tribune.

The report notes that it is possible that a second person who was not banned from the game did shout the slur. However, if this is the case, no such individual has been publicly identified.


Besendorfer said no one who attended the volleyball game has reported hearing the slur to police.

Richardson said she told Duke coaches after the second set that she had heard racial slurs. Duke coaches then told officials and BYU coaches.

BYU then placed an officer near the Duke bench during the fourth set, at which time no one identified the person allegedly shouting the slurs. That officer said in his report that he did not hear any slurs while he was stationed near the bench.

Meanwhile, an unnamed source from the BYU athletic department reportedly told the student paper, the Cougar Chronicle, that Richardson “complained of hearing a racial slur during the second set but did not point anyone out. Officials discussed briefly and stationed policemen there… there were no more complaints until after the match.”

He said after the game a “mentally challenged fan approached a Duke player.”

“The Duke team then suddenly recognized the handicapped man’s ‘voice’ as the same one shouting slurs,” the anonymous source said. “They never saw or pointed out a face, just a voice. They banned this man. Not for slurs, but for interfering with visiting guests. BYU Athletics staff went through footage of the entire game and the man Duke identified was never seated in the student section.”


The source said Richardson’s story “doesn’t add up” and accused BYU of banning an “innocent man to appease the mob and make their PR mess go away.”

“While I don’t know if Ms. Richardson genuinely misheard something or intentionally made up this story, it certainly does not constitute the criticism BYU has gotten,” he said. “There is zero evidence of a slur being said. Not a single witness, besides Ms. Richardson, has come forth. Not a single cell phone video or BYUtv’s several camera angles caught a single thing. How unlikely when this person supposedly said a slur during ‘every single serve.'”

The student paper reported that it has been unable to find a source in the student section who heard the racial slurs. The outlet spoke with several students who attended the game who said they did not hear the slurs.

However, Richardson’s claims, including a statement where she said the racial slurs escalated throughout the match and ultimately “grew into threats which caused [her] to feel unsafe,” were picked up by several national media outlets, including the New York Times, NPR, CNN, and The Hill.

The Atlantic‘s Jemele Hill suggested Duke should have cancelled the rest of the series of games against BYU in support of Richardson, while USA Today’s sports race and inequality editor wrote a column arguing that Richardson is a “victim” but also a “hero surrounded by a lot of people who failed her.”

Richardson’s father and godmother have both spoken to media outlets about the alleged slurs despite not having been in attendance at the game. The godmother, Lesa Pamplin, is a candidate for circuit court judge in Fort Worth, Texas, and has been vocal about the alleged incident on Twitter.

A police report obtained by the Salt Lake Tribune with names redacted said the fan who was banned “got in the face” of another Duke volleyball player after the game in an interaction that made her uncomfortable, though the report did not say if anything was said.

The player’s family has said she was approached by a white man who told her to watch her back. Duke coaches and player then identified the man as the one who allegedly yelled the N-word from the student section, according to the police report.

The man, a Utah Valley University student, denied shouting any slurs and said he approached a Duke player after the match on accident, mistaking her for a friend of his who played for BYU as the uniforms are the same color.

The UVU student was not present during the match’s second set when Richardson reported hearing the slurs, according to the report. However, he was told not to attend any future games “indefinitely” on orders from the BYU athletic department.

Besendorfer said the police department is no longer looking at the video and it has been given over to BYU athletics and the school’s communication administration for further review.

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Re: OT: Duke vs BYU Racial Slur UPDATE 

Post#2 » by Lockdown504090 » Thu Sep 1, 2022 3:27 pm

i dont follow, so are they suggesting that shes lying? This story says that the team corroborates the story though, doesnt it? then it says that shes the only witness.
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Re: OT: Duke vs BYU Racial Slur UPDATE 

Post#3 » by azcatz11 » Thu Sep 1, 2022 3:29 pm

Lockdown504090 wrote:i dont follow, so are they suggesting that shes lying? This story says that the team corroborates the story though, doesnt it? then it says that shes the only witness.


The godmother who initially posted on Twitter had a history of racist posts against white people and other minorities and is running for office to be a judge…take that for what you will. Who knows if the story turns out to be accurate
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Re: OT: Duke vs BYU Racial Slur UPDATE 

Post#4 » by Hornet Mania » Thu Sep 1, 2022 3:32 pm

Lockdown504090 wrote:i dont follow, so are they suggesting that shes lying? This story says that the team corroborates the story though, doesnt it? then it says that shes the only witness.


At minimum it appears the rush to make sure someone was punished for the slur ended up framing an innocent person. The person banned wasn't seated in the section the slur allegedly originated from during the set.
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Re: OT: Duke vs BYU Racial Slur UPDATE 

Post#5 » by Lockdown504090 » Thu Sep 1, 2022 3:35 pm

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Lockdown504090 wrote:i dont follow, so are they suggesting that shes lying? This story says that the team corroborates the story though, doesnt it? then it says that shes the only witness.


The godmother who initially posted on Twitter had a history of racist posts against white people and other minorities and is running for office to be a judge…take that for what you will. Who knows if the story turns out to be accurate

ahh, i see. if shes lying, which seems more likely than not based on what im reading, its very sick and strange to me. There is so much racism out there, why make it up? What does this do for her?

I wish i could ask her and Jussie Smollet why with some truth serum and get an honest answer. Do they just not feel black enough? maybe because shes a volleyball player at duke?

If this ends up being totally untrue, I think removing her from the team and revoking a scholorship if shes on one, may be the appropriate response.
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Re: OT: Duke vs BYU Racial Slur UPDATE 

Post#6 » by SearsTower » Thu Sep 1, 2022 3:35 pm

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Re: OT: Duke vs BYU Racial Slur UPDATE 

Post#7 » by Trey24 » Thu Sep 1, 2022 3:38 pm

Sounds like Bubba Wallace situation in basketball form. At least they didn't call in the FBI.
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Re: OT: Duke vs BYU Racial Slur UPDATE 

Post#8 » by Ckay » Thu Sep 1, 2022 3:39 pm

It was Jussie Smollett.
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Re: OT: Duke vs BYU Racial Slur UPDATE 

Post#9 » by Prophet_tt » Thu Sep 1, 2022 3:40 pm

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Lockdown504090 wrote:i dont follow, so are they suggesting that shes lying? This story says that the team corroborates the story though, doesnt it? then it says that shes the only witness.


At minimum it appears the rush to make sure someone was punished for the slur ended up framing an innocent person. The person banned wasn't seated in the section the slur allegedly originated from during the set.


We've come a long way from the days where an innocent person would be lynched to appease a crowd of angry men.
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Re: OT: Duke vs BYU Racial Slur UPDATE 

Post#10 » by mastermixer » Thu Sep 1, 2022 3:45 pm

Lockdown504090 wrote:i dont follow, so are they suggesting that shes lying? This story says that the team corroborates the story though, doesnt it? then it says that shes the only witness.


There was another situation that happened within the last year in MLB baseball that was just a mistake. Black player was coming up to bat and he heard a fan shouting the N-word at him. After they reviewed the tape, the guy was shouting “Dinger!” Really loudly. Dinger is the name of the home team’s mascot and he was walking up and down the isle in his section. The fan was trying to get his attention. It was just a big misunderstanding.

Maybe something like that happened here.
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Re: OT: Duke vs BYU Racial Slur UPDATE 

Post#11 » by jasonxxx102 » Thu Sep 1, 2022 3:47 pm

The last thread got locked so why create a new one in here?
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Re: OT: Duke vs BYU Racial Slur UPDATE 

Post#12 » by MrGoat » Thu Sep 1, 2022 3:47 pm

Jessica Smollett or ventriloquism, or maybe she really thought she heard something and has a big persecution complex?
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Re: OT: Duke vs BYU Racial Slur UPDATE 

Post#13 » by azcatz11 » Thu Sep 1, 2022 3:54 pm

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azcatz11 wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:i dont follow, so are they suggesting that shes lying? This story says that the team corroborates the story though, doesnt it? then it says that shes the only witness.


The godmother who initially posted on Twitter had a history of racist posts against white people and other minorities and is running for office to be a judge…take that for what you will. Who knows if the story turns out to be accurate

ahh, i see. if shes lying, which seems more likely than not based on what im reading, its very sick and strange to me. There is so much racism out there, why make it up? What does this do for her?

I wish i could ask her and Jussie Smollet why with some truth serum and get an honest answer. Do they just not feel black enough? maybe because shes a volleyball player at duke?

If this ends up being totally untrue, I think removing her from the team and revoking a scholorship if shes on one, may be the appropriate response.


My guess is the volleyball player heard something, told her godmother who embellished / fabricated the story and it went off from there. The godmother literally posted on Twitter the next day a thing tying this whole whole incident into her campaign for judge lol.
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Re: OT: Duke vs BYU Racial Slur UPDATE 

Post#14 » by Nate505 » Thu Sep 1, 2022 3:56 pm

So it's one of three things:

#1) Someone did say something to her, but the wrong fan was pointed out. Sorta similar to say Ron Artest going and punching the wrong guy for throwing the beer.

#2) The BYU police are lying. That's happened many times before in history.

#3) She is lying. This happens less often, but it actually happened once featuring a different Utah school. In the 1998 Final Four, a Kentucky player accused a Utah player of calling him a racial slur. The Utah player denied it, and the Kentucky player later said he made it up.
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Re: OT: Duke vs BYU Racial Slur UPDATE 

Post#15 » by taikibansei » Thu Sep 1, 2022 4:03 pm

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Lockdown504090 wrote:i dont follow, so are they suggesting that shes lying? This story says that the team corroborates the story though, doesnt it? then it says that shes the only witness.


The godmother who initially posted on Twitter had a history of racist posts against white people and other minorities and is running for office to be a judge…take that for what you will. Who knows if the story turns out to be accurate


You do realize that both BYU and the Mormon church have a long--including lots of recent stuff involving rape/incest--history of cover-ups and/or outright lies, yes?

I do agree that we don't know enough yet to make a judgement one way or the other. All I know is that if BYU/the Mormon church told me the weather is hot and sunny, I'd get out my ski jacket and my umbrella.
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Re: OT: Duke vs BYU Racial Slur UPDATE 

Post#16 » by azcatz11 » Thu Sep 1, 2022 4:06 pm

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azcatz11 wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:i dont follow, so are they suggesting that shes lying? This story says that the team corroborates the story though, doesnt it? then it says that shes the only witness.


The godmother who initially posted on Twitter had a history of racist posts against white people and other minorities and is running for office to be a judge…take that for what you will. Who knows if the story turns out to be accurate


You do realize that both BYU and the Mormon church have a long--including lots of recent stuff involving rape and incest--history of cover-ups and/or outright lies, yes?

I do agree that we don't know enough yet to make a judgement one way or the other. All I know is that if BYU/the Mormon church tell me the weather is hot and sunny, I'd get out my ski jacket and my umbrella.


Well there is video from the game and audio and nothing has been captured yet. I think it’s likely the godmother embellished the story for personal gain and the volleyball player is basically a pawn and this turned into this huge thing. That’s my hypothesis
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Re: OT: Duke vs BYU Racial Slur UPDATE 

Post#17 » by Mavrelous » Thu Sep 1, 2022 4:12 pm

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azcatz11 wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:i dont follow, so are they suggesting that shes lying? This story says that the team corroborates the story though, doesnt it? then it says that shes the only witness.


The godmother who initially posted on Twitter had a history of racist posts against white people and other minorities and is running for office to be a judge…take that for what you will. Who knows if the story turns out to be accurate


You do realize that both BYU and the Mormon church have a long--including lots of recent stuff involving rape/incest--history of cover-ups and/or outright lies, yes?

I do agree that we don't know enough yet to make a judgement one way or the other. All I know is that if BYU/the Mormon church told me the weather is hot and sunny, I'd get out my ski jacket and my umbrella.

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Re: OT: Duke vs BYU Racial Slur UPDATE 

Post#18 » by mg » Thu Sep 1, 2022 4:12 pm

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azcatz11 wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:i dont follow, so are they suggesting that shes lying? This story says that the team corroborates the story though, doesnt it? then it says that shes the only witness.


The godmother who initially posted on Twitter had a history of racist posts against white people and other minorities and is running for office to be a judge…take that for what you will. Who knows if the story turns out to be accurate


You do realize that both BYU and the Mormon church have a long--including lots of recent stuff involving rape/incest--history of cover-ups and/or outright lies, yes?

I do agree that we don't know enough yet to make a judgement one way or the other. All I know is that if BYU/the Mormon church told me the weather is hot and sunny, I'd get out my ski jacket and my umbrella.


Another Knick fan out to smear Utah and the Mormon church because of the Donovan Mitchell situation. This is getting ridic.

FWIW most religions have embellished the truth and covered crimes over the years esp including the Catholic church if we want to go down that road.
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Re: OT: Duke vs BYU Racial Slur UPDATE 

Post#19 » by Nate505 » Thu Sep 1, 2022 4:18 pm

“There is zero evidence of a slur being said. Not a single witness, besides Ms. Richardson, has come forth. Not a single cell phone video or BYUtv’s several camera angles caught a single thing. How unlikely when this person supposedly said a slur during ‘every single serve.'”

I mean, this feels like a good point. If someone says a racial slur on every serve (I don't know if the player herself said that exactly, but she did mention it was continuous throughout the game...actually it was her godmother who said it happened every time she served), and volleyball has like what, 100 serves a game or something, shouldn't it be pretty easy to get one of them on audio?
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Re: OT: Duke vs BYU Racial Slur UPDATE 

Post#20 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Thu Sep 1, 2022 4:19 pm

This isn't a Yahoo story, it's National Review filth and I'm surprised Yahoo is running their stuff. Must be desperate for the cash.

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