Off-season thread vol 8: KD brings in UD

[AirP.]

If you get your wish of extending Herro it don’t matter if it’s the same team, no upgrade with what we’d have remaining is going to make a big enough difference.

We really watched last year’s playoffs, knew a major scoring addition was needed, and proceeded to not do a damn thing but lose a starter who was a top 3 impact guy on the team.

It's not the same team, you now have a healthy Oladipo which is a MUCH better player then Tucker. Miami can tinker around with different ways to play until they decide (if they need to) to make a trade to fill a void.

Tucker brought toughness and defense, Oladipo can bring the defense and the ability to drop 20 points on really any given night if in the right role vs Tucker's 8ppg?

We're not even talking about the younger players getting better or Butler finally working on his 3ball again.

I mean I hope you’re right but all our contenders got better, some of which will also have internal development along with their trades. Dipo could get injured the first game with his recent history

Yes, the other teams in the East got better but a hobbled Miami team lost in the last minute of game 7 of the ECF. As long as this team still prioritizes defense and Miami gets good shooting from the 3pt shooters they are still a threat in the East. I'm not really all that worried about Boston, Milwaukee is getting older... more specifically B.Lopez and Philly needs a huge bounce back year from Harden which I'm not sure he's able to do and Brooklyn really needs Simmons and his defense to be back. What Miami has to worry about is the up and comers in Toronto, Cleveland and even Washington(I think they're going to surprise people).

[Kobewade11]

This is a better team than the one that got washed up after the bubble. When the hysteria clears from the offseason championships and shoes actually hit the court we’ll see who is real and who isnt. One thing for sure is this organization (unlike some fans) doesnt cower in the face of competition. Im excited for a competitive East.

[IceColdCubano]

This is a better team than the one that got washed up after the bubble. When the hysteria clears from the offseason championships and shoes actually hit the court we’ll see who is real and who isnt. One thing for sure is this organization (unlike some fans) doesnt cower in the face of competition. Im excited for a competitive East.

If there was a year for the East to be a real dog fight to get through, this is it right here.

[AirP.]

If you get your wish of extending Herro it don’t matter if it’s the same team, no upgrade with what we’d have remaining is going to make a big enough difference.

We really watched last year’s playoffs, knew a major scoring addition was needed, and proceeded to not do a damn thing but lose a starter who was a top 3 impact guy on the team.

It's not the same team, you now have a healthy Oladipo which is a MUCH better player then Tucker. Miami can tinker around with different ways to play until they decide (if they need to) to make a trade to fill a void.

Tucker brought toughness and defense, Oladipo can bring the defense and the ability to drop 20 points on really any given night if in the right role vs Tucker's 8ppg?

We're not even talking about the younger players getting better or Butler finally working on his 3ball again.

That's the positivity we need around here. I agree, were definately will be seeing: A healthy back to his elevated game Dipo, Bam with a 3 point shot, Jimmy with a more polished 3pt shot, Tyler & Struss with an improved game all around, Lowry faster/lighter/stronger and more agile, slight improvements from Caleb, Vincent, Yurt, and lastly Duncan having his jumper back in line. Without accounting for Jovic to be able to show some promise by the end of the season.

I'm not pumping sunshine, just stating what should be obvious. I still believe this team needed to do a consolidation trade this summer to upgrade the top end talent. Both Miami and Washington have enough solid lower rotation talent to try to upgrade their top half of their rotations without dropping off much from the bottom part of the rotation.

I'm not sure who is around next year with Oladipo, Herro, Strus, Vincent and Yurtseven all needing to be paid, better get value out of them in a trade then lose them for nothing.

[dean456]

A lot of Heat fans online saying we could easily beat that package just not being realistic.

Sexton at 4yrs 72mil better than Herro at 4yrs 110-120mil
Markkanan on 3yr deal better than Robinson on 4yr deal
Agbaji a better prospect than Jovic
Cleveland gave 3FRPs and 2 FRP swaps
Miami would need to give up more assets to OKC to unlock the same picks.

We just don't have the assets to compete with the market that was set by Ainge and we aren't going to trade like 6-7 players to be able to get the assets we'd need to acquire 1 player, it's just not realistic.

We'll just pickup Mitchell in a couple years when he's sick of living in Cleveland.

[Timantha]

Damn.. the next time a star asks out, the Knicks might still have their picks to outbid us

[Kobewade11]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Damn.. the next time a star asks out, the Knicks might still have their picks to outbid us

I’m sure Pat is just holding out until Luka demands specifically Miami at the deadline

[3ammy3uck3ts]

People wouldn’t mind paying you Herro if you’d show up and do the main thing you’re good at when the playoffs came around and learned how to play a little defense. Until
Then that energy will be the same

[IceColdCubano]

Damn.. the next time a star asks out, the Knicks might still have their picks to outbid us

Don't quote me on this, but watch the season not start the way the Knicks seem to think it will, and then they will use 1 or 2 picks to pick a mid season trade to bolster their team.

[AirP.]

A lot of Heat fans online saying we could easily beat that package just not being realistic.

Sexton at 4yrs 72mil better than Herro at 4yrs 110-120mil
Markkanan on 3yr deal better than Robinson on 4yr deal
Agbaji a better prospect than Jovic
Cleveland gave 3FRPs and 2 FRP swaps
Miami would need to give up more assets to OKC to unlock the same picks.

We just don't have the assets to compete with the market that was set by Ainge and we aren't going to trade like 6-7 players to be able to get the assets we'd need to acquire 1 player, it's just not realistic.

We'll just pickup Mitchell in a couple years when he's sick of living in Cleveland.

Under 20 mil a year is an incredible value for Sexton and would not be surprised to see Utah flip him in 1-2 years. Sexton had been looking for 20 million a year which Cleveland wouldn't give him, Cleveland would only sign him for what they had under the tax which was under 15 mil.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Unless we make another move our only hope will be for Herro to become a 24 PPG game with high efficiency, Bam to take a massive MIP type leap, Lowry to stay healthy, and Dipo to be prepared injury Dipo.

Doesn’t seem likely. Yes I’ll go to war with my team at any time but it’s bright as day that something is needed to bolster this team outside of internal development. Especially with the great offseasons our competitors have put together.

[AirP.]

Unless we make another move our only hope will be for Herro to become a 24 PPG game with high efficiency, Bam to take a massive MIP type leap, Lowry to stay healthy, and Dipo to be prepared injury Dipo.

Doesn’t seem likely. Yes I’ll go to war with my team at any time but it’s bright as day that something is needed to bolster this team outside of internal development. Especially with the great offseasons our competitors have put together.

Herro's not going to get the shot attempts to do that, he can get MORE EFFICIENT and that would be a good thing. Whoever is taking Tucker's spot in the rotation will be taking more shots than he did, toss in a healthy Oladipo and now Butler probably being a more willing 3pt shooter and it's quite reasonable to think Herro's FGA will drop next year.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Unless we make another move our only hope will be for Herro to become a 24 PPG game with high efficiency, Bam to take a massive MIP type leap, Lowry to stay healthy, and Dipo to be prepared injury Dipo.

Doesn’t seem likely. Yes I’ll go to war with my team at any time but it’s bright as day that something is needed to bolster this team outside of internal development. Especially with the great offseasons our competitors have put together.

Herro's not going to get the shot attempts to do that, he can get MORE EFFICIENT and that would be a good thing.

You’re right, I’d like him closer to 13-15 this season. Especially if he’s starting. If he increases his efficiency and free throw rate he can still get his 20 a night.

[IceColdCubano]

Unless we make another move our only hope will be for Herro to become a 24 PPG game with high efficiency, Bam to take a massive MIP type leap, Lowry to stay healthy, and Dipo to be prepared injury Dipo.

Doesn’t seem likely. Yes I’ll go to war with my team at any time but it’s bright as day that something is needed to bolster this team outside of internal development. Especially with the great offseasons our competitors have put together.

Herro's not going to get the shot attempts to do that, he can get MORE EFFICIENT and that would be a good thing.

Just getting more efficient will get him to 24ppg. he doesn't need more shot attempts, also if he does indeed win the starting role he also will not have that many shot attempts regardless so he will need to learn to be more efficient anyways.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Unless we make another move our only hope will be for Herro to become a 24 PPG game with high efficiency, Bam to take a massive MIP type leap, Lowry to stay healthy, and Dipo to be prepared injury Dipo.

Doesn’t seem likely. Yes I’ll go to war with my team at any time but it’s bright as day that something is needed to bolster this team outside of internal development. Especially with the great offseasons our competitors have put together.

Herro's not going to get the shot attempts to do that, he can get MORE EFFICIENT and that would be a good thing.

Just getting more efficient will get him to 24ppg. he doesn't need more shot attempts, also if he does indeed win the starting role he also will not have that many shot attempts regardless so he will need to learn to be more efficient anyways.

If his attempts drops his efficiency and free throw rate would have to skyrocket for him to hit 24 PPG

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I do wonder why Barry mentions us possibly targeting a random pelicans player at the deadline if we don’t extend Herro this season.

[AirP.]

I'd say it's safe to say that the package that Utah got for Mitchell will be less than a package required for any other star that wants out this upcoming season. I'd think Miami's now out of the star acquisition business for this year although they could go after players like Turner, Collins, Bogdanovic or Barnes.

Here's a couple possible long shot trade prospects would be DeMar DeRozan and Draymond Green.