Offseason thread vol 9 - RUN IT BYK

[3ballbomber]

Let's F*ckin' GOOOOO!

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[Heat_Down_Under]

I’ve been asking for crowder all along and calling it a day.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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If we win the championship without a major acquisition through trade I’ll give everyone who and-1s this $50. Make the finals I’ll give you $20. Make the ECF I’ll give you $10.

You say you'll give $5 for the play in and you might go broke.

Lmao! You just hurt some feelings with that one

[al bondiga]

Is this is the team, then we really need yurt this season

[Timantha]

If Jimmy was in the trade market, I wonder how many picks the Knicks would offer for him. 6-7?

[HeatFanLifer]

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If we win the championship without a major acquisition through trade I’ll give everyone who and-1s this $50. Make the finals I’ll give you $20. Make the ECF I’ll give you $10.

I’m not gonna and1 this cuz I don’t want your money if you’re wrong. But I don’t think you are wrong. My hopes are on Kyrie to step it up this season. Yimmy is doing it all, Bam is locked in his role, Herro is hype without substance, and Oladipo is an enigma. My expectations aren’t as optimistic as my hopes. Kudos to Riley for not selling the farm to pay the water bill tho.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

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If we win the championship without a major acquisition through trade I’ll give everyone who and-1s this $50. Make the finals I’ll give you $20. Make the ECF I’ll give you $10.

boom

cheddar comin!!!

[marson]

Screenshot this:

If we win the championship without a major acquisition through trade I’ll give everyone who and-1s this $50. Make the finals I’ll give you $20. Make the ECF I’ll give you $10.

I’m not gonna and1 this cuz I don’t want your money if you’re wrong. But I don’t think you are wrong. My hopes are on Kyrie to step it up this season. Yimmy is doing it all, Bam is locked in his role, Herro is hype without substance, and Oladipo is an enigma. My expectations aren’t as optimistic as my hopes. Kudos to Riley for not selling the farm to pay the water bill tho.

HLF This is Kyle right?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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If we win the championship without a major acquisition through trade I’ll give everyone who and-1s this $50. Make the finals I’ll give you $20. Make the ECF I’ll give you $10.

boom

cheddar comin!!!

Which one are you getting?!

[SA37]

I still would like Miami to acquire Bogdanovic from Utah. I can't imagine Utah would want Robinson, so we'd need a 3rd team.

Of course Harrison Barnes would be a great addition, but I don't think Miami has the assets to get him. The market for Barnes is too competitive.

[3ballbomber]

Buckets don't give an F. He gone continue to do what he does. Let's roll!

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[dean456]

I'm always one to hope traffic in the midst of trade talks and be optimistic that we have a great chance to get a deal done.

But dudes we gotta be realistic. Our package was likely Herro, Robinson, Jovic, 2FRPs, and 2FRP swaps.

We likely would have been trading one of Yurt, Strus or Vincent to unlock an additional pick from OKC.

Herro with 4yr/110mil, Robinson (4yrs 74mil), Jovic (27th pick), 3FRPs and 2FRP swaps
is not better than
Sexton at 4yr/72mil Markkanan (3yrs 52mil) Agbaji (14th pick), 3FRPs and 2FRP swaps

If we were gonna beat that package we'd likely need to move the remaining 2 of Yurt, Strus and Vincent to get another FRP.

Trading Herro, Robinson, Jovic, Strus, Vincent, Yurt, 4FRP's and 2 FRP swaps for just Mitchell is a ridiculous proposal and wouldn't even make us a clear favourite in the East.

[eddieheatfan]

jimmy going full rasta kinda worries me but even then i think that i will give this team the chance of winning 55 games.

yup i'm going with this number this season

[dagger151]

We all need to calm down. Cant forget that we lost BAM, Jimmy, and Lowry, arguably our 3 best players for extended time and still made the ECF and 1 shot short of the Finals. I don't understand all the complaining that we didn't gut the team for a star. Depth of this team is and has been proven a huge asset.

You have to think Bam and Herro get better. Dipo gets closer to his old form and honestly, Duncan I feel will also be better than last season.

We have a great team as is and Riley is a master at trade deadline moves. Wait it out, see what happens and complain if it fails.

Injuries are a part of the game and all teams suffer from it at some point in the season, some more than others. Our depth will allow us to overcome these unpredictable issues. Spo is a great coach and we will be in the mix....that's all you can ask for.

Don't worry about the team on paper, nobody predicted we would win the #1 seed last season and come within a shot of the Finals. We have a beast in Jimmy, Lowry is in shape and motivated, Herro wants his money so he will ball. Dipo does too.

Have faith fellas, were gonna surprise a lot of people again because that's HEAT basketball!

[balla345]

lets be real we probably dont even get passed 76ers if Embiid was healthy

[oreon]

lets be real we probably dont even get passed 76ers if Embiid was healthy

When was Embiid ever healthy for playoffs. His body just can't last a season. I'd bet my house he'll be hurt again next playoffs.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Anyone in here subscribed to this that can give some info? Bojan is mentioned in the tweet and the picture has Turner in it so I’m assuming those 2 guys are mentioned in there but is there anyone else and does he give any info on our interest?

[DayofMourning]

Spoiler:

BARRY JACKSON
Exploring Miami Heat power forward options in trade market, with scout feedback
BY BARRY JACKSON UPDATED AUGUST 31, 2022 4:52 PM


Here’s a question the Heat will face over the next five months now that it knows with certainty what already seemed obvious: Miami won’t be landing Kevin Durant:

Is it worth trading a future first-round pick as part of a package for a good, but not great, power forward to replace Philadelphia-bound P.J. Tucker?

Or would the Heat be better off holding onto all of its valuable draft inventory to dangle in a trade for an All-Star, and getting by with Caleb Martin (and some Jimmy Butler) at power forward?


Among power forwards who could be made available, there a couple that give pause for thought: Utah’s Bojan Bogdanovic, who’s the type of high-volume scorer and exceptional three-point shooter that would spread the floor around Bam Adebayo and Butler; and John Collins, who’s the best of the power forwards said to be at least somewhat available.

Ultimately, the view here is neither warrants a first-round pick, because it would take the Heat out of a star market, and because it likely would require trading a contract (Duncan Robinson’s) that could help facilitate a trade for said star. With Collins, there are also financial concerns in play.

What’s more, I would doubt Utah or Atlanta would want to be saddled with Robinson’s deal, which has four years and $74.3 million remaining, with $65 million of that guaranteed.


There’s no indication that Utah is shopping Bogdanovic, who’s due $19.5 million in an expiring contract. But the Jazz is rebuilding, and no player apparently is off limits.


Bogdanovic averaged 18.1 points and 4.3 rebounds last season while shooting 38.7 percent on threes. He has played mostly small forward in his career but transitioned to power forward last season in this modern game where traditional “threes” have morphed into stretch fours.

He’s a career 39.2 percent shooter on threes and has averaged between 18 and 20.1 points each of the past four seasons, one with Indiana and the past three with Utah. But defense certainly isn’t a strength.

If Utah took Robinson’s contract, the Jazz presumably would want more than one first-rounder anyway. But that’s an option worth exploring if it can be done without trading a first-rounder or if the Heat is looking for help at the trade deadline.


It would not make sense under any circumstances to include a first-rounder for Phoenix’s Jae Crowder, who’s entering the final year of his contract. From a cap facilitating standpoint, there isn’t an obvious Heat salary match in any Crowder proposal anyway.

Crowder remains very much an option, but it will take some creativity in how a trade is crafted.

Sacramento’s Harrison Barnes (16.4 points, 5.4 rebounds, 39.4 on threes last season) would be a good fit. And while there has been speculation that the Kings might make him available, there’s no evidence that he is.

He’s on an expiring contract, due $18.3 million this season. But is he worth a first-round pick, Robinson and perhaps another asset?


Collins (16.2 points, 7.8 rebounds in 54 games) would make the Heat better, but taking on his contract would be painful; he’s due $23.5 million, $25.3 million, $26.6 million the next three seasons, with a $26.6 million player option for 2025-26. That’s a lot for a player who isn’t an All-Star.

That deal would likely put the Heat into luxury tax territory this season and future ones, presuming Miami gives a lucrative extension to Tyler Herro.

A Collins trade involving Robinson, Nikola Jovic and a future No. 1 pick would work from a cap standpoint, but there would be little incentive for the Hawks to do that, and it’s difficult to see the Heat giving up Herro for a good — but not great — power forward who’s not a very good defender and would push them into the luxury tax.

Indiana’s Myles Turner, due $18 million in an expiring contract, would give the Heat a top shot blocker and a big with a face-the-basket game. But there would be little incentive for the rebuilding Pacers to take on the last four years of Robinson’s contract.


Even a first-round pick and Jovic might not be enough to entice the Pacers to take on Robinson, and it’s questionable whether it would even be prudent for Miami to attach a first-round pick, considering Turner’s expiring contract and the limitations in his offensive game.

Here’s an important point about Turner, who averaged 12.9 points, 7.1 rebounds and 2.8 blocks in just 42 games last season: While he has a three-point game, he doesn’t have an efficient three-point game.

Last season, he made 1.5 three-pointers per game, but shot only 33.3 percent on them after making a subpar 33.5 percent and 34.4 percent of his threes the previous two seasons.

Collins, conversely, shot 36.4 percent on threes last season and 37.6 percent in his career.


“To me, Collins would be the better fit alongside Bam,” a Western Conference scout said.

Why?

“He’s more dynamic offensively than Turner, can space the floor better. With Turner, the offense is more complex, more limiting in where Bam can set up and operate. You want Bam in the mid-post area.

“You could make it work with Turner, but I don’t think it’s a great fit. With Collins, he can do a lot more offensively. But he’s not for everybody; he’s a free spirit. And he’s not great defensively.”


The Pacers reportedly were seeking two first-round picks from the Lakers in a proposed trade involving Indiana’s Turner and Buddy Hield and Russell Westbrook’s expiring contract.

Also keep this in mind: A report from NBA writer Michael Scotto this week said that Turner is seeking more than $20 million annually in a new deal. That’s a lot of money for a player who isn’t in the All-Star discussion.

The view here, as we’ve stated: Don’t rush to trade a future No. 1 pick — something you might need when the next disgruntled star surfaces — for most of these players. Bogdanovic, Collins and Turner all would help you, but all come with issues — Bogdanovic’s defense, Collins’ contract and Turner’s subpar shooting as a supposed “stretch” big.

Crowder ultimately could emerge as the best stopgap fit, provided it doesn’t cost the Heat a first-rounder.


NEWS TO NOTE
For those wondering about the Heat adding a power forward in free agency, that appears unlikely. The Heat would surpass the luxury tax threshold if it signs a 15th player to any type of contract, even a minimum deal.

The best remaining free agent power rotation player is probably former ace sixth man Montrezl Harrell, but he’s not the type of stretch big that Erik Spoelstra likes to play alongide Adebayo.

On Wednesday, Harrell had felony charges of marijuana trafficking reduced to a misdemeanor possession in a Madison County (Kentucky) courthouse. The charges will be expunged from his record after 12 months if Harrell is not charged with a crime during that time.

[AirP.]

No need to put the whole article up. If you want to see the stories, grab the title, go to msn.com or bing.com and search for it, they have the stories on their website too.

Miami Herald on MSN.com · 1d

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/exploring-miami-heat-power-forward-options-in-trade-market-with-scout-feedback/ar-AA11ksDm

Also, say no to Bogdonavic. Although a great fit offensively, the defense would suffer greatly and that's what has kept Miami in playoff games.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Any player we discuss in trade talks is going to cost a first round pick because of the fact that a team has to eat Duncan’s contract. Nobody is taking that deal unless it’s for a similar contract for a player that’s most likely been struggling and they don’t want anymore (change of scenary trade for example Davis Bertans) or your getting back an expiring contract Harrison Barnes, Larry Nance Jr, or Kelly Olynyk which are salary relief and the other team will want picks for adding close to 70 million to it’s books for a specialist player who hasn’t been so special at his one job.