Offseason thread vol 9 - RUN IT BYK

[3ballbomber]

Spoiler:

Sure but SG isn't the issue on this team, it's PF and Miami has a surplus of SGs... Strus, Herro, Oladipo and even Robinson.

I'll wait to see what the plan is at 4 in training camp, whether they go traditional or small. If they want to pursue a 4 around the deadline, guys like Harrison Barnes and Marcus Morris could conceivably be available, and those aren't the caliber of players we'd be dealing Herro for...it would be a Duncan + pick type package.

What I am most looking forward to is what my source brought up about a new offensive scheme from SPO in the works a challenge from Pat. He’s gonna implement it at training camp. It’s Bam centric, with him initiating offense from the elbow and high post. Additionally our smaller guards putting lots of screens for Bam to take advantage of a mismatch on a smaller player that Bam can abuse and then they have multiple triggers to exploit wether they go under or over the screen with Bam being such a good passer for his size.

[3ballbomber]

lets be real we probably dont even get passed 76ers if Embiid was healthy

[Timantha]

Read on Twitter

Rip Lonzo.. lingering knee problems despite doctors thinking he's good to go. I think Bulls might trade Vucevic's expiring this trade deadline if they don't perform

[3ballbomber]

The real outrage may be next summer when Miami can't retain Oladipo, he'll be looking to get one last big contract and it could get ugly if Herro is extended and Oladipo is a better all around player for Miami after finally being healthy and getting a real offseason in to get back to where he should be.

BTW, you're correct, RJ Barrett career average in the playoffs is 14.4 points, Herro's is 14.0. Herro has been in many more playoff games then RJ though, although RJ started.

Yea, Oladipo could look to be the better all around player. Herro could also take another leap in his game ala Booker’s 4th season. We tend to look at the ifs through the lens that we want.

In spite of Dipo excitement & seeing him put in a full offseason of work he still has to prove himself in a full season of basketball. Can his body hold up to the needed mins & beating inflicted. I'm certainly pulling for him but can't say for certain he's overall the better player over Herro right now. Herro could potentially take his game to the next level & improve his D also. His defence did improve some in the 2nd half of season. It's going to be exciting watching/hearing about these two battle it out in training camp & highly anticipate how both perform the coming season.

[oreon]

The fascination Jimmy has to come to a middle ground, balance!
jb is great but let's face it ...he has benefited a lot playing with the heat and 2 lucky runs in the playoffs in 3 years (or perhaps somebody thinks extreme luck didn't play a huge part for the heat on this runs)

A lot of players deserve credit for our runs specially bam and hero... in the first one we wouldn't have been even close without Robinson for God's sake!!
spo has done the best coaching job he can do in both of Those runs, I also acknowledge

So please leave JB alone

This franchise was middling in shambles before Jimmy decided to forgo championships with Philly the Lakers and possibly clippers to join us. We were paying big money to Whiteside Dion JJ and KO and didn’t know what we had in Bam yet. We’ve been very successful these last 3 years and Jimmy is the main reason, not luck

The main reason has been the FO and Spo. Lets act like this is the first time that this team has been rebuilt. Sure they made a mistake with those JJ, Dion, Whiteside deals. But this FO has proven that its the best at adapting and fixing their mistakes. And Jimmy trade was a huge part of the turnaround. As equally was the Bam/Herro picks. Also as important was continually every season finding guys from the g league or who undrafted and turning them into high level role players.
If the Jimmy trade was all we did, and we didn't nail the Bam pick or we didn't develop role players we would be at best a lower seeded easy 1st round playoff team.
If Jimmy didn't happen, the FO would have figured something else or gone to rebuild mode.
This idea that Jimmy somehow saved the franchise just doesn't stack up. The FO has been able to build contenders before Jimmy and would done so without him. It would have taken longer but they would

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The fascination Jimmy has to come to a middle ground, balance!
jb is great but let's face it ...he has benefited a lot playing with the heat and 2 lucky runs in the playoffs in 3 years (or perhaps somebody thinks extreme luck didn't play a huge part for the heat on this runs)

A lot of players deserve credit for our runs specially bam and hero... in the first one we wouldn't have been even close without Robinson for God's sake!!
spo has done the best coaching job he can do in both of Those runs, I also acknowledge

So please leave JB alone

This franchise was middling in shambles before Jimmy decided to forgo championships with Philly the Lakers and possibly clippers to join us. We were paying big money to Whiteside Dion JJ and KO and didn’t know what we had in Bam yet. We’ve been very successful these last 3 years and Jimmy is the main reason, not luck

The main reason has been the FO and Spo. Lets act like this is the first time that this team has been rebuilt. Sure they made a mistake with those JJ, Dion, Whiteside deals. But this FO has proven that its the best at adapting and fixing their mistakes. And Jimmy trade was a huge part of the turnaround. As equally was the Bam/Herro picks. Also as important was continually every season finding guys from the g league or who undrafted and turning them into high level role players.
If the Jimmy trade was all we did, and we didn't nail the Bam pick or we didn't develop role players we would be at best a lower seeded easy 1st round playoff team.
If Jimmy didn't happen, the FO would have figured something else or gone to rebuild mode.
This idea that Jimmy somehow saved the franchise just doesn't stack up. The FO has been able to build contenders before Jimmy and would done so without him. It would have taken longer but they would

This is a players league now, if Jimmy doesn’t decide to choose us over championships we’d still be tread milling for the 10th-15th pick. Pat obviously doesn’t believe in the trade market now and no other players was dying to come here because of Wade to the point we got him for scraps.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Read on Twitter

When he takes a massive jump just remember who told you

[wadenation305]

You guys want to kick the tires on porzingis if he can be had fairly cheap?

[wadenation305]

Jimmy literally forced his way to this team when we didn't even really have assets or cap space. That's what it takes for us to get a star player. And there aren't many people that are cut from the same cloth as Jimmy that want to embrace the hard hat grinding mentality. Players won't be forcing their way to come to us. Mitchell didn't really want us all that bad, KD didn't really want us all that bad, none of them do, we were just an option usually second or third on a list. We got lucky with Jimmy. Tbh trades are getting too crazy. It's time to either draft or try to swipe them during free agency.

[twix2500]

The fascination Jimmy has to come to a middle ground, balance!
jb is great but let's face it ...he has benefited a lot playing with the heat and 2 lucky runs in the playoffs in 3 years (or perhaps somebody thinks extreme luck didn't play a huge part for the heat on this runs)

A lot of players deserve credit for our runs specially bam and hero... in the first one we wouldn't have been even close without Robinson for God's sake!!
spo has done the best coaching job he can do in both of Those runs, I also acknowledge

So please leave JB alone

This franchise was middling in shambles before Jimmy decided to forgo championships with Philly the Lakers and possibly clippers to join us. We were paying big money to Whiteside Dion JJ and KO and didn’t know what we had in Bam yet. We’ve been very successful these last 3 years and Jimmy is the main reason, not luck

The main reason has been the FO and Spo. Lets act like this is the first time that this team has been rebuilt. Sure they made a mistake with those JJ, Dion, Whiteside deals. But this FO has proven that its the best at adapting and fixing their mistakes. And Jimmy trade was a huge part of the turnaround. As equally was the Bam/Herro picks. Also as important was continually every season finding guys from the g league or who undrafted and turning them into high level role players.
If the Jimmy trade was all we did, and we didn't nail the Bam pick or we didn't develop role players we would be at best a lower seeded easy 1st round playoff team.
If Jimmy didn't happen, the FO would have figured something else or gone to rebuild mode.
This idea that Jimmy somehow saved the franchise just doesn't stack up. The FO has been able to build contenders before Jimmy and would done so without him. It would have taken longer but they would

Oreon many haven't been following the franchise as long as us. Its rinse repeat of the same complaints for the pass 30 years. Newer fan base will repeat the same complaints until they win a chip again. Its just the way it is.

I remember in the 90s Miami fans were saying that the game passed Riley by and his style was too old school for that younger generation.

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

[miamiballer]

Best hope is that herro turns into booker (I don’t see why not) and that we can swing a trade for a starting pf using Duncan’s deal

[contract]

Jimmy literally forced his way to this team when we didn't even really have assets or cap space. That's what it takes for us to get a star player. And there aren't many people that are cut from the same cloth as Jimmy that want to embrace the hard hat grinding mentality. Players won't be forcing their way to come to us. Mitchell didn't really want us all that bad, KD didn't really want us all that bad, none of them do, we were just an option usually second or third on a list. We got lucky with Jimmy. Tbh trades are getting too crazy. It's time to either draft or try to swipe them during free agency.

Jimmy wasn't on a long term contract like Durant and Mitchell. You can't pick your destination unless you have free agency as leverage.

[AirP.]

Jimmy literally forced his way to this team when we didn't even really have assets or cap space. That's what it takes for us to get a star player. And there aren't many people that are cut from the same cloth as Jimmy that want to embrace the hard hat grinding mentality. Players won't be forcing their way to come to us. Mitchell didn't really want us all that bad, KD didn't really want us all that bad, none of them do, we were just an option usually second or third on a list. We got lucky with Jimmy. Tbh trades are getting too crazy. It's time to either draft or try to swipe them during free agency.

Oladipo basically did the same thing, everyone knew he was pushing his way to Miami and that's why Houston took that bad offer from Miami vs having him use Houston as a rehab stint then losing him for nothing. It's also why I believe Oladipo will have a major role at some point this next season, they have to at least give him a real opportunity or possibly have the next all-star level talent that could have pushed his way to Miami to not do that. Even if it's a specific type of player that is drawn to Miami, it still is an advantage not many NBA teams have, and they need to keep it that way.

It's still very odd with as much money was at stake that Oladipo was given bad advice or didn't get the right info to let him know that his first major surgery was botched nor that having pain that far past the surgery wasn't normal. That bad surgery has cost him at least 30 million dollars but probably more than that over last year's and this year's contract, so hopefully Miami is giving him a real shot to win a starting spot in the lineup so Miami could have the strongest team they can for this next year's playoffs.

[HIF]

seems like miami is forever a treadmill team now.... ever since the big 3 ended.... we had one good run when goran still had some gas left in the tank.... but once goran aged and now its just jimmy.... its over... until micky forces riles to retire miami we are stuck....this organization needs a full rebuild.

No matter what anyone says this fanbase doesnt have the guts to sit through a full rebuild

i cant speak for everyone, but me personally i would rather go through a rebuild than continue on this trend of gettin in the playoffs, only good enough to be there and not win titles. I always thought the goal was to win, not just get in.

And have the desolate years than the Fins have had?

[Timantha]

Read on Twitter

[Flash4thewin]

Jimmy literally forced his way to this team when we didn't even really have assets or cap space. That's what it takes for us to get a star player. And there aren't many people that are cut from the same cloth as Jimmy that want to embrace the hard hat grinding mentality. Players won't be forcing their way to come to us. Mitchell didn't really want us all that bad, KD didn't really want us all that bad, none of them do, we were just an option usually second or third on a list. We got lucky with Jimmy. Tbh trades are getting too crazy. It's time to either draft or try to swipe them during free agency.

Oladipo basically did the same thing, everyone knew he was pushing his way to Miami and that's why Houston took that bad offer from Miami vs having him use Houston as a rehab stint then losing him for nothing. It's also why I believe Oladipo will have a major role at some point this next season, they have to at least give him a real opportunity or possibly have the next all-star level talent that could have pushed his way to Miami to not do that. Even if it's a specific type of player that is drawn to Miami, it still is an advantage not many NBA teams have, and they need to keep it that way.

It's still very odd with as much money was at stake that Oladipo was given bad advice or didn't get the right info to let him know that his first major surgery was botched nor that having pain that far past the surgery wasn't normal. That bad surgery has cost him at least 30 million dollars but probably more than that over last year's and this year's contract, so hopefully Miami is giving him a real shot to win a starting spot in the lineup so Miami could have the strongest team they can for this next year's playoffs.

Oladipo made some Kyrie like moves contract wise. Houston offered him a max two year extension, dude turned down like 45 million dollars. Im pretty sure his agent told him to take the deal but Oladipo bet on himself. As much as he may love Miami he wants money, so if he has the season a few people are expecting, dude will go to the highest bider to make up that lost money. He might cost just as much as Herro in the 30 million range if everything goes right this season for him. This is suppose to be the easy off season for us, next off season will be a blood bath since we are adverse to the tax, we could potentially lose both Herro and Oladipo for nothing because of salary reasons.

[IceColdCubano]

Jimmy literally forced his way to this team when we didn't even really have assets or cap space. That's what it takes for us to get a star player. And there aren't many people that are cut from the same cloth as Jimmy that want to embrace the hard hat grinding mentality. Players won't be forcing their way to come to us. Mitchell didn't really want us all that bad, KD didn't really want us all that bad, none of them do, we were just an option usually second or third on a list. We got lucky with Jimmy. Tbh trades are getting too crazy. It's time to either draft or try to swipe them during free agency.

Oladipo basically did the same thing, everyone knew he was pushing his way to Miami and that's why Houston took that bad offer from Miami vs having him use Houston as a rehab stint then losing him for nothing. It's also why I believe Oladipo will have a major role at some point this next season, they have to at least give him a real opportunity or possibly have the next all-star level talent that could have pushed his way to Miami to not do that. Even if it's a specific type of player that is drawn to Miami, it still is an advantage not many NBA teams have, and they need to keep it that way.

It's still very odd with as much money was at stake that Oladipo was given bad advice or didn't get the right info to let him know that his first major surgery was botched nor that having pain that far past the surgery wasn't normal. That bad surgery has cost him at least 30 million dollars but probably more than that over last year's and this year's contract, so hopefully Miami is giving him a real shot to win a starting spot in the lineup so Miami could have the strongest team they can for this next year's playoffs.

Oladipo made some Kyrie like moves contract wise. Houston offered him a max two year extension, dude turned down like 45 million dollars. Im pretty sure his agent told him to take the deal but Oladipo bet on himself. As much as he may love Miami he wants money, so if he has the season a few people are expecting, dude will go to the highest bider to make up that lost money. He might cost just as much as Herro in the 30 million range if everything goes right this season for him. This is suppose to be the easy off season for us, next off season will be a blood bath since we are adverse to the tax, we could potentially lose both Herro and Oladipo for nothing because of salary reasons.

I believe we will be seeing a reset next season if nothing goes right for us.

[wadenation305]

Jimmy literally forced his way to this team when we didn't even really have assets or cap space. That's what it takes for us to get a star player. And there aren't many people that are cut from the same cloth as Jimmy that want to embrace the hard hat grinding mentality. Players won't be forcing their way to come to us. Mitchell didn't really want us all that bad, KD didn't really want us all that bad, none of them do, we were just an option usually second or third on a list. We got lucky with Jimmy. Tbh trades are getting too crazy. It's time to either draft or try to swipe them during free agency.

Oladipo basically did the same thing, everyone knew he was pushing his way to Miami and that's why Houston took that bad offer from Miami vs having him use Houston as a rehab stint then losing him for nothing. It's also why I believe Oladipo will have a major role at some point this next season, they have to at least give him a real opportunity or possibly have the next all-star level talent that could have pushed his way to Miami to not do that. Even if it's a specific type of player that is drawn to Miami, it still is an advantage not many NBA teams have, and they need to keep it that way.

It's still very odd with as much money was at stake that Oladipo was given bad advice or didn't get the right info to let him know that his first major surgery was botched nor that having pain that far past the surgery wasn't normal. That bad surgery has cost him at least 30 million dollars but probably more than that over last year's and this year's contract, so hopefully Miami is giving him a real shot to win a starting spot in the lineup so Miami could have the strongest team they can for this next year's playoffs.

To me it looks like dipo really wanted miami, and our organization over money being the number one thing for him.

If I was a player I'd be hated by the fans, organizations and players lol. They make enough money where I wouldn't be worried about getting the absolute top dollar I can possibly get.(which the players would hate me for it citing that I'm lowering market value). I'd take less to bring More people or go to an organization I believe in that might not have the max cap space available. I would only do 1+1 deals for my entire career so I have 100% control of where I'm at and who im playing for. (At the end of the day I'm the product that brings the money, not the owners of the team).

To me most of the players worry about the top dollar amount possible because most of them are not smart with their money. They but whole buildings of strippers through college in a single night. Buy 6 multi-million dollar houses that they spend maybe 5 days of the year in. 50 luxury cars. Every dinner has to be 20k and up. And lastly because they associate it with status and being the best.

My ego is no where near as inflated or fragile lol. One can't be mad because at the end of the day it's their life and we're afforded that freedom here in the states. But with a couple of mil I'll turn it into more properly investing it and it would never be a problem in my life.

[wadenation305]

Ps I need to figure out how to easily see what posts I've already liked. I've like taken 10 likes off in the past week trying to like a post only to find out I had already liked it XD

[AirP.]

Jimmy literally forced his way to this team when we didn't even really have assets or cap space. That's what it takes for us to get a star player. And there aren't many people that are cut from the same cloth as Jimmy that want to embrace the hard hat grinding mentality. Players won't be forcing their way to come to us. Mitchell didn't really want us all that bad, KD didn't really want us all that bad, none of them do, we were just an option usually second or third on a list. We got lucky with Jimmy. Tbh trades are getting too crazy. It's time to either draft or try to swipe them during free agency.

Oladipo basically did the same thing, everyone knew he was pushing his way to Miami and that's why Houston took that bad offer from Miami vs having him use Houston as a rehab stint then losing him for nothing. It's also why I believe Oladipo will have a major role at some point this next season, they have to at least give him a real opportunity or possibly have the next all-star level talent that could have pushed his way to Miami to not do that. Even if it's a specific type of player that is drawn to Miami, it still is an advantage not many NBA teams have, and they need to keep it that way.

It's still very odd with as much money was at stake that Oladipo was given bad advice or didn't get the right info to let him know that his first major surgery was botched nor that having pain that far past the surgery wasn't normal. That bad surgery has cost him at least 30 million dollars but probably more than that over last year's and this year's contract, so hopefully Miami is giving him a real shot to win a starting spot in the lineup so Miami could have the strongest team they can for this next year's playoffs.

To me it looks like dipo really wanted miami, and our organization over money being the number one thing for him.

If I was a player I'd be hated by the fans, organizations and players lol. They make enough money where I wouldn't be worried about getting the absolute top dollar I can possibly get.(which the players would hate me for it citing that I'm lowering market value). I'd take less to bring More people or go to an organization I believe in that might not have the max cap space available. I would only do 1+1 deals for my entire career so I have 100% control of where I'm at and who im playing for. (At the end of the day I'm the product that brings the money, not the owners of the team).

To me most of the players worry about the top dollar amount possible because most of them are not smart with their money. They but whole buildings of strippers through college in a single night. Buy 6 multi-million dollar houses that they spend maybe 5 days of the year in. 50 luxury cars. Every dinner has to be 20k and up. And lastly because they associate it with status and being the best.

My ego is no where near as inflated or fragile lol. One can't be mad because at the end of the day it's their life and we're afforded that freedom here in the states. But with a couple of mil I'll turn it into more properly investing it and it would never be a problem in my life.

The salary cap is 123 million, he's making ~9 million and may end up being one of Miami's top players, he's going to want to be paid fairly. If Miami hands Herro 25-30 million a year before next summer and Oladipo out plays him... it would be insulting to offer him any less after he forced his way to Miami. Herro's deal isn't just about him being paid; it'll be about other players being paid. Oladipo's made around 110 million so far in the NBA, he may watch an inferior player get a 5-year contract for more than he's made his whole career. If Herro ends up being better next year... it's not an issue, if he isn't then it may be a big issue.