Offseason thread vol 9 - RUN IT BYK

[Hallstar]

Oladipo basically did the same thing, everyone knew he was pushing his way to Miami and that's why Houston took that bad offer from Miami vs having him use Houston as a rehab stint then losing him for nothing. It's also why I believe Oladipo will have a major role at some point this next season, they have to at least give him a real opportunity or possibly have the next all-star level talent that could have pushed his way to Miami to not do that. Even if it's a specific type of player that is drawn to Miami, it still is an advantage not many NBA teams have, and they need to keep it that way.

It's still very odd with as much money was at stake that Oladipo was given bad advice or didn't get the right info to let him know that his first major surgery was botched nor that having pain that far past the surgery wasn't normal. That bad surgery has cost him at least 30 million dollars but probably more than that over last year's and this year's contract, so hopefully Miami is giving him a real shot to win a starting spot in the lineup so Miami could have the strongest team they can for this next year's playoffs.

To me it looks like dipo really wanted miami, and our organization over money being the number one thing for him.

If I was a player I'd be hated by the fans, organizations and players lol. They make enough money where I wouldn't be worried about getting the absolute top dollar I can possibly get.(which the players would hate me for it citing that I'm lowering market value). I'd take less to bring More people or go to an organization I believe in that might not have the max cap space available. I would only do 1+1 deals for my entire career so I have 100% control of where I'm at and who im playing for. (At the end of the day I'm the product that brings the money, not the owners of the team).

To me most of the players worry about the top dollar amount possible because most of them are not smart with their money. They but whole buildings of strippers through college in a single night. Buy 6 multi-million dollar houses that they spend maybe 5 days of the year in. 50 luxury cars. Every dinner has to be 20k and up. And lastly because they associate it with status and being the best.

My ego is no where near as inflated or fragile lol. One can't be mad because at the end of the day it's their life and we're afforded that freedom here in the states. But with a couple of mil I'll turn it into more properly investing it and it would never be a problem in my life.

The salary cap is 123 million, he's making ~9 million and may end up being one of Miami's top players, he's going to want to be paid fairly. If Miami hands Herro 25-30 million a year before next summer and Oladipo out plays him... it would be insulting to offer him any less after he forced his way to Miami. Herro's deal isn't just about him being paid; it'll be about other players being paid. Oladipo's made around 110 million so far in the NBA, he may watch an inferior player get a 5-year contract for more than he's made his whole career. If Herro ends up being better next year... it's not an issue, if he isn't then it may be a big issue.

Sorry, but Herro is just the more important player to the future of the team. Herro has 15 years ahead of him. Oladipo is 30 coming off multiple years of injury and might be out of the league in 5 years. Nobody cries for Denis Schroeder or Bonzi Wells. Herro's year was better than oladipo's 2nd "all-star year"

[Kobewade11]

The salary cap is 123 million, he's making ~9 million and may end up being one of Miami's top players, he's going to want to be paid fairly. If Miami hands Herro 25-30 million a year before next summer and Oladipo out plays him... it would be insulting to offer him any less after he forced his way to Miami. Herro's deal isn't just about him being paid; it'll be about other players being paid. Oladipo's made around 110 million so far in the NBA, he may watch an inferior player get a 5-year contract for more than he's made his whole career. If Herro ends up being better next year... it's not an issue, if he isn't then it may be a big issue.

25-30 million is the market rate for a player of Herro's caliber, you pay the market rate in this league. What you are talking about is a champagne problem. Oladipo simply isn't seeing that kind of offer, from Miami or any other team for that matter.

[AirP.]

The salary cap is 123 million, he's making ~9 million and may end up being one of Miami's top players, he's going to want to be paid fairly. If Miami hands Herro 25-30 million a year before next summer and Oladipo out plays him... it would be insulting to offer him any less after he forced his way to Miami. Herro's deal isn't just about him being paid; it'll be about other players being paid. Oladipo's made around 110 million so far in the NBA, he may watch an inferior player get a 5-year contract for more than he's made his whole career. If Herro ends up being better next year... it's not an issue, if he isn't then it may be a big issue.

Sorry, but Herro is just the more important player to the future of the team. Herro has 15 years ahead of him. Oladipo is 30 coming off multiple years of injury and might be out of the league in 5 years. Nobody cries for Denis Schroeder or Bonzi Wells. Herro's year was better than oladipo's 2nd "all-star year"

All I'm saying is that you may remove an advantage Miami has with high level talents forcing their way to Miami by basically just ignoring what an All-Star level talent did to get to Miami. It's a pretty big advantage, it netted you Butler for nearly nothing.

[AirP.]

The salary cap is 123 million, he's making ~9 million and may end up being one of Miami's top players, he's going to want to be paid fairly. If Miami hands Herro 25-30 million a year before next summer and Oladipo out plays him... it would be insulting to offer him any less after he forced his way to Miami. Herro's deal isn't just about him being paid; it'll be about other players being paid. Oladipo's made around 110 million so far in the NBA, he may watch an inferior player get a 5-year contract for more than he's made his whole career. If Herro ends up being better next year... it's not an issue, if he isn't then it may be a big issue.

25-30 million is the market rate for a player of Herro's caliber, you pay the market rate in this league. What you are talking about is a champagne problem. Oladipo simply isn't seeing that kind of offer, from Miami or any other team for that matter.

No, it's what New York gave RJ because they can't get talent to come to New York anymore. I wouldn't pay RJ or Herro that type of money, they both become bad contracts for the next few years on that type of money and it's not going to be pretty next season if Herro gets paid and then his FGA drop which probably drops his PPG.

BTW... it's not just paying him; it's probably going to combine with watching talent walk out the door to accommodate his contract.

[wadenation305]

Oladipo basically did the same thing, everyone knew he was pushing his way to Miami and that's why Houston took that bad offer from Miami vs having him use Houston as a rehab stint then losing him for nothing. It's also why I believe Oladipo will have a major role at some point this next season, they have to at least give him a real opportunity or possibly have the next all-star level talent that could have pushed his way to Miami to not do that. Even if it's a specific type of player that is drawn to Miami, it still is an advantage not many NBA teams have, and they need to keep it that way.

It's still very odd with as much money was at stake that Oladipo was given bad advice or didn't get the right info to let him know that his first major surgery was botched nor that having pain that far past the surgery wasn't normal. That bad surgery has cost him at least 30 million dollars but probably more than that over last year's and this year's contract, so hopefully Miami is giving him a real shot to win a starting spot in the lineup so Miami could have the strongest team they can for this next year's playoffs.

To me it looks like dipo really wanted miami, and our organization over money being the number one thing for him.

If I was a player I'd be hated by the fans, organizations and players lol. They make enough money where I wouldn't be worried about getting the absolute top dollar I can possibly get.(which the players would hate me for it citing that I'm lowering market value). I'd take less to bring More people or go to an organization I believe in that might not have the max cap space available. I would only do 1+1 deals for my entire career so I have 100% control of where I'm at and who im playing for. (At the end of the day I'm the product that brings the money, not the owners of the team).

To me most of the players worry about the top dollar amount possible because most of them are not smart with their money. They but whole buildings of strippers through college in a single night. Buy 6 multi-million dollar houses that they spend maybe 5 days of the year in. 50 luxury cars. Every dinner has to be 20k and up. And lastly because they associate it with status and being the best.

My ego is no where near as inflated or fragile lol. One can't be mad because at the end of the day it's their life and we're afforded that freedom here in the states. But with a couple of mil I'll turn it into more properly investing it and it would never be a problem in my life.

The salary cap is 123 million, he's making ~9 million and may end up being one of Miami's top players, he's going to want to be paid fairly. If Miami hands Herro 25-30 million a year before next summer and Oladipo out plays him... it would be insulting to offer him any less after he forced his way to Miami. Herro's deal isn't just about him being paid; it'll be about other players being paid. Oladipo's made around 110 million so far in the NBA, he may watch an inferior player get a 5-year contract for more than he's made his whole career. If Herro ends up being better next year... it's not an issue, if he isn't then it may be a big issue.

For sure Dipo is going to want big bucks if he balls out. I'm unsure if anyone will actually offer him the max. He would have to really ball out super hard. like Finals MVP type of hard. I think we actually have to move people this year for assets or picks. We have waaaayyyy too many people that need to get paid after this season.

Vincent-Strus-Dipo-Yurt. If Highsmith ends up being decent that another one.

On top of that the Herro extension or what ever he fetches in restricted free agency kicking in and Drob taking 18 mil of our cap space. We got a bit of a poo poo storm brewing unless we move people around.

[wadenation305]

TBH I'm fine paying Herro as long as he's just more efficient even if that means his FGA goes down. And at least becomes a respectable defender. His body type might not be conductive to block someone off. His niche might be trying to angle for steals than trying to be a road block.

[Hallstar]

The salary cap is 123 million, he's making ~9 million and may end up being one of Miami's top players, he's going to want to be paid fairly. If Miami hands Herro 25-30 million a year before next summer and Oladipo out plays him... it would be insulting to offer him any less after he forced his way to Miami. Herro's deal isn't just about him being paid; it'll be about other players being paid. Oladipo's made around 110 million so far in the NBA, he may watch an inferior player get a 5-year contract for more than he's made his whole career. If Herro ends up being better next year... it's not an issue, if he isn't then it may be a big issue.

25-30 million is the market rate for a player of Herro's caliber, you pay the market rate in this league. What you are talking about is a champagne problem. Oladipo simply isn't seeing that kind of offer, from Miami or any other team for that matter.

No, it's what New York gave RJ because they can't get talent to come to New York anymore. I wouldn't pay RJ or Herro that type of money, they both become bad contracts for the next few years on that type of money and it's not going to be pretty next season if Herro gets paid and then his FGA drop which probably drops his PPG.

BTW... it's not just paying him; it's probably going to combine with watching talent walk out the door to accommodate his contract.

You pay the important people. What you don't seem to remember is all the games Bam and Jimmy missed last year. Who was the offensive option keeping the team afloat? The Gabes and Strus are a dime a dozen. We can always find somebody to give 10 ppg on shots created for them. We could easily have been without homecourt and probably facing Boston in the 1st round.

[3ballbomber]

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[Kobewade11]

No, it's what New York gave RJ because they can't get talent to come to New York anymore.

The free agent that got the largest deal by signing to a new team literally just went to New York lmao. The market isnt what you would personally offer its what the teams dictate. The RJ extension set the market, guards in that draft class are going to be looking for their agents to net similar deals, especially when they have production to match.

[AirP.]

No, it's what New York gave RJ because they can't get talent to come to New York anymore.

The free agent that got the largest deal by signing to a new team literally just went to New York lmao. The market isnt what you would personally offer its what the teams dictate. The RJ extension set the market, guards in that draft class are going to be looking for their agents to net similar deals, especially when they have production to match.

Go into free agency and let the MARKET set his price, not New York. Miami can match while going over the cap if they want. The smallest number of years contract he can sign next year is 3 years, so Miami can have him under contract for the next 4 seasons (including this upcoming one).

If there were a ton of people really interested in Herro, maybe, just maybe they could have gotten some assets for him to make a much better Mitchell trade rather than just toss him into the package. To me that seems to indicate there's not a big market out there for him.

[KingDavid]

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With Caleb Martin or Jimmy Butler playing the 4?! Oh Lord the hype machine is already here.

[Kobewade11]

No, it's what New York gave RJ because they can't get talent to come to New York anymore.

The free agent that got the largest deal by signing to a new team literally just went to New York lmao. The market isnt what you would personally offer its what the teams dictate. The RJ extension set the market, guards in that draft class are going to be looking for their agents to net similar deals, especially when they have production to match.

Go into free agency and let the MARKET set his price, not New York. Miami can match while going over the cap if they want. The smallest number of years contract he can sign next year is 3 years, so Miami can have him under contract for the next 4 seasons (including this upcoming one).

If there were a ton of people really interested in Herro, maybe, just maybe they could have gotten some assets for him to make a much better Mitchell trade rather than just toss him into the package. To me that seems to indicate there's not a big market out there for him.

As i said before, make peace with the number now to save yourself the outburst later.

[AirP.]

The free agent that got the largest deal by signing to a new team literally just went to New York lmao. The market isnt what you would personally offer its what the teams dictate. The RJ extension set the market, guards in that draft class are going to be looking for their agents to net similar deals, especially when they have production to match.

Go into free agency and let the MARKET set his price, not New York. Miami can match while going over the cap if they want. The smallest number of years contract he can sign next year is 3 years, so Miami can have him under contract for the next 4 seasons (including this upcoming one).

If there were a ton of people really interested in Herro, maybe, just maybe they could have gotten some assets for him to make a much better Mitchell trade rather than just toss him into the package. To me that seems to indicate there's not a big market out there for him.

As i said before, make peace with the number now to save yourself the outburst later.

No, I'll just enjoy everyone bitching about it a year later, much like they did Robinson. This is the same FO that passed on a pretty cheap CP3 and then 2 years later didn't get a backup for their 36 year old PF... which bit them in the ass in the ECF. I'm getting use to this FO with them making extension mistakes... over and over although Spoelstra does do a great job of utilizing what talent he does have on the roster.

[al bondiga]

Guys I forgot to ask... why didn't anybody think about D. Murray? Is he a hoodlum with Criminal issues or something? Because I don't think Atlanta would have been his first choice plus he seems to be trending upward and his basketball education has been great

[Kobewade11]

No, I'll just enjoy everyone bitching about it a year later, much like they did Robinson. This is the same FO that passed on a pretty cheap CP3 and then 2 years later didn't get a backup for their 36 year old PF... which bit them in the ass in the ECF. I'm getting use to this FO with them making extension mistakes... over and over although Spoelstra does do a great job of utilizing what talent he does have on the roster.

Lol

[Kobewade11]

Guys I forgot to ask... why didn't anybody think about D. Murray? Is he a hoodlum with Criminal issues or something? Because I don't think Atlanta would have been his first choice plus he seems to be trending upward and his basketball education has been great

He isnt the piece this team was missing

[MHeat0279]

I'll wait to see what the plan is at 4 in training camp, whether they go traditional or small. If they want to pursue a 4 around the deadline, guys like Harrison Barnes and Marcus Morris could conceivably be available, and those aren't the caliber of players we'd be dealing Herro for...it would be a Duncan + pick type package.

What I am most looking forward to is what my source brought up about a new offensive scheme from SPO in the works a challenge from Pat. He’s gonna implement it at training camp. It’s Bam centric, with him initiating offense from the elbow and high post. Additionally our smaller guards putting lots of screens for Bam to take advantage of a mismatch on a smaller player that Bam can abuse and then they have multiple triggers to exploit wether they go under or over the screen with Bam being such a good passer for his size.

Don't like the sound of that offense. But here is the new scheme I talked about a month ago. Training camp is when new schemes are installed. Once the Heat are out of Training camp its like pulling teeth to get Spo to change scheme. After training camp the only thing Spo likes to change is rotations.

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I just wonder about this, Bam doesnt have a post game, actually is the worst part of his game.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The Knicks just have to make sure to hire the dad of every potential free agent target they want

[3ammy3uck3ts]

It’s not hard for Herros last season to be better than Dipos 2nd “all star” season considering Dipo played less than half a year lol. Prior to Dipos first big injury he was **** on Herros 21-22 season though and it’s not even close. The comparisons used on here sometimes are so bad

[MHeat0279]

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Its always been part of his game and now it benefits our team, maybe lowry can point timmy to some of his videos back in the 90's screaming like a little b eatch every time he drove to the rim.