Offseason thread vol 9 - RUN IT BYK

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Its always been part of his game and now it benefits our team, maybe lowry can point timmy to some of his videos back in the 90's screaming like a little b eatch every time he went drove to the rim.

This reminds me of Gary Payton acting like he’s a prophet for telling Wade to stop falling so much on his drives or it would shorten his career lol. It may have had some effect but the main reason Wades prime was shortened were knee issues stemming from the fact that he made the bad decision to have his meniscus removed in college

[3ammy3uck3ts]

What about Keldon Johnson at the 4? He’s been playing the 4 for the spurs and averaged 17-6-2 last season on 13 shots. Shot 40% from 3 on 5.3 attempts.

Size wise he’s right in the middle of PJ and Martin. Same height, 15 pounds heavier than Martin, 15 lighter than PJ

A young guy who could be a long term fit next to Bam. Only 22. Played college ball with Herro and also has the kentucky connection with Bam and Riley.

Has a 4 year extension in place that actually gets cheaper with time at $20M-$19M-$17.5M-$17.5M

It would have to be a trade deadline deal as he’s ineligible to be traded until mid January

[Timantha]

Guys I forgot to ask... why didn't anybody think about D. Murray? Is he a hoodlum with Criminal issues or something? Because I don't think Atlanta would have been his first choice plus he seems to be trending upward and his basketball education has been great

Dejounte isn't really the best offensive player and he can't shoot. It makes the spacing with Bam and Jimmy on the court awkward. We're looking for more of an offensive star that is pure and can score 25-30 out of nothing. Think Beal, KD, Kyrie, Donovan type players

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Guys I forgot to ask... why didn't anybody think about D. Murray? Is he a hoodlum with Criminal issues or something? Because I don't think Atlanta would have been his first choice plus he seems to be trending upward and his basketball education has been great

Dejounte isn't really the best offensive player and he can't shoot. It makes the spacing with Bam and Jimmy on the court awkward. We're looking for more of an offensive star that is pure and can score 25-30 out of nothing. Think Beal, KD, Kyrie, Donovan type players

Only problem is we won’t give what’s needed to get them. ICC said a Beal deal was done before KD asked out

[Timantha]

Guys I forgot to ask... why didn't anybody think about D. Murray? Is he a hoodlum with Criminal issues or something? Because I don't think Atlanta would have been his first choice plus he seems to be trending upward and his basketball education has been great

Dejounte isn't really the best offensive player and he can't shoot. It makes the spacing with Bam and Jimmy on the court awkward. We're looking for more of an offensive star that is pure and can score 25-30 out of nothing. Think Beal, KD, Kyrie, Donovan type players

Only problem is we won’t give what’s needed to get them. ICC said a Beal deal was done before KD asked out

Feels we're always going to get outbidded in trades with the assets we have (unless Herro takes a leap and Jovic is a gem). If KD is available again, some contender like the Suns will outbid us with their plethora of picks and Ayton/Mikal Bridges. If a young star like Shai is available, random losing teams like the Pistons or Magic will come out of nowhere to beat our offer. Looking ahead to the 2023 offseason, the only possible options seem to be Kyrie (Miami doesn't seem interested) and Harden (washed?) using Lowry's expiring, Jovic or Herro and maybe a pick for a S&T. Those two have to want Miami too

[Kobewade11]

Dejounte isn't really the best offensive player and he can't shoot. It makes the spacing with Bam and Jimmy on the court awkward. We're looking for more of an offensive star that is pure and can score 25-30 out of nothing. Think Beal, KD, Kyrie, Donovan type players

Yea Murray is not that guy, just a name.

I’ve seen some revisionist history on a few of those other guys. Some people think we had a deal in place for Beal and that just doesnt make any sense. If a Beal deal was truly in place you put a hard timeline on negotiation with the Nets for KD so that you can circle back. You dont throw a guaranteed deal out the window for a prayer.

[twix2500]

Dejounte isn't really the best offensive player and he can't shoot. It makes the spacing with Bam and Jimmy on the court awkward. We're looking for more of an offensive star that is pure and can score 25-30 out of nothing. Think Beal, KD, Kyrie, Donovan type players

Only problem is we won’t give what’s needed to get them. ICC said a Beal deal was done before KD asked out

Feels we're always going to get outbidded in trades with the assets we have (unless Herro takes a leap and Jovic is a gem). If KD is available again, some contender like the Suns will outbid us with their plethora of picks and Ayton/Mikal Bridges. If a young star like Shai is available, random losing teams like the Pistons or Magic will come out of nowhere to beat our offer. Looking ahead to the 2023 offseason, the only possible options seem to be Kyrie (Miami doesn't seem interested) and Harden (washed?) using Lowry's expiring and Herro for a S&T. The two have to want Miami too

Having to trade a pick to make room for Butler has really hurt the Heat in the trade market. Dallas really f'd Miami up by backing out of trade.

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[Timantha]

Dejounte isn't really the best offensive player and he can't shoot. It makes the spacing with Bam and Jimmy on the court awkward. We're looking for more of an offensive star that is pure and can score 25-30 out of nothing. Think Beal, KD, Kyrie, Donovan type players

Yea Murray is not that guy, just a name.

I’ve seen some revisionist history on a few of those other guys. Some people think we had a deal in place for Beal and that just doesnt make any sense. If a Beal deal was truly in place you put a hard timeline on negotiation with the Nets for KD so that you can circle back. You dont throw a guaranteed deal out the window for a prayer.

If I recall correctly, the only way to get Beal was if he opted in to contract and asked for a trade. When he declined that player option, it was way too hard to do a S&T because of how close we were to the hard cap (I might be wrong though). I still feel like Beal is attainable with the assets we have cause of the no trade clause. He's just a lost cause though cause he loves D.C and doesn't want to leave

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Beals an idiot, Mitchell was attainable but we didn’t want to come to the table with a serious offer, Kyrie we didn’t want, KD we weren’t giving Bam. Just is what it is I guess but the Mitchell deal stung. Give up what it takes to get it done and you’re looking at Lowry-Mitchell-Jimmy-Martin-Bam-Dedmon-Dipo as a guaranteed 7 man rotation and then you fill out the roster with these vets that are still waiting around looking for jobs. Keep Morris. Probably still have Gabe.

[wadenation305]

I'm still waiting on the scoop to find out which 4 we might be looking at.

[Flash4thewin]

No, it's what New York gave RJ because they can't get talent to come to New York anymore.

The free agent that got the largest deal by signing to a new team literally just went to New York lmao. The market isnt what you would personally offer its what the teams dictate. The RJ extension set the market, guards in that draft class are going to be looking for their agents to net similar deals, especially when they have production to match.

Go into free agency and let the MARKET set his price, not New York. Miami can match while going over the cap if they want. The smallest number of years contract he can sign next year is 3 years, so Miami can have him under contract for the next 4 seasons (including this upcoming one).

If there were a ton of people really interested in Herro, maybe, just maybe they could have gotten some assets for him to make a much better Mitchell trade rather than just toss him into the package. To me that seems to indicate there's not a big market out there for him.

No team will give up real assets for a restricted player, especially when it's projected that multiple teams will have max cap space next offseason. Thats just the front office trying to have its cake and eat it too, it never works out. If the idea was to trade Herro to maximize Butler and the teams chance to win a ring, you would have done that two years ago. Trying to trade Herro now and expecting an asset is such an, insert expletive move, or just say its Knicks move .

[gom]

Hey, one guy gets it:

https://www.fivereasonssports.com/news/the-incoming-improvements-for-tyler-herro-in-his-4th-year/

Looking for super upgrade internally. I will be patient.. (really)

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The free agent that got the largest deal by signing to a new team literally just went to New York lmao. The market isnt what you would personally offer its what the teams dictate. The RJ extension set the market, guards in that draft class are going to be looking for their agents to net similar deals, especially when they have production to match.

Go into free agency and let the MARKET set his price, not New York. Miami can match while going over the cap if they want. The smallest number of years contract he can sign next year is 3 years, so Miami can have him under contract for the next 4 seasons (including this upcoming one).

If there were a ton of people really interested in Herro, maybe, just maybe they could have gotten some assets for him to make a much better Mitchell trade rather than just toss him into the package. To me that seems to indicate there's not a big market out there for him.

No team will give up real assets for a restricted player, especially when it's projected that multiple teams will have max cap space next offseason. Thats just the front office trying to have its cake and eat it too, it never works out. If the idea was to trade Herro to maximize Butler and the teams chance to win a ring, you would have done that two years ago. Trying to trade Herro now and expecting an asset is such an, insert expletive move, or just say its Knicks move .

RFAs have far more value than unrestricted

[3ballbomber]

I call your Mitchell & Kd & raise you my squad

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With Caleb Martin or Jimmy Butler playing the 4?! Oh Lord the hype machine is already here.

No hype here - It's support for our team no matter the build or construct.

4 spot obviously not ideal but I'm not one to be afraid of challenges. It's just the way our situation is atm, so I ride with it & watch character & toughness being built.

I'd rather this current roster than the Big-3 circus era. but that's me I hold the process more valuable than the easy way. "This stuff is hard. And you go to stay together, if you've got the guts. And you don't find the first door and run out of it,". And if Jimmy ain't complaining & gutting this thing out I'ma ride w/ our dogs w/out the complaining, ungratefulness & panic we're current seeing from fans, or some so called "fans".

I just love basketball in general. Winning & shiny medals merely reward for the patience, grit, perseverance & resilience shown when things get tough.

[Voltron914]

I call your Mitchell & Kd & raise you my squad

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wheres Yurt?if he doesnt get any minutes with PJ and Morris gone im gonna cry

[MiamiSun]

Hey, one guy gets it:

https://www.fivereasonssports.com/news/the-incoming-improvements-for-tyler-herro-in-his-4th-year/

Looking for super upgrade internally. I will be patient.. (really)

Brady Hawk is great. I love his takes.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Hey, one guy gets it:

https://www.fivereasonssports.com/news/the-incoming-improvements-for-tyler-herro-in-his-4th-year/

Looking for super upgrade internally. I will be patient.. (really)

Brady Hawk is great. I love his takes.

Bright future, I think he’s only like 19 or 20 at the oldest

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I still think we’re going to find us a 4 or stretch 5 before the season starts

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

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What an elite young talent we have