Donovan Mitchell Traded to the Cavs

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Re: Donovan Mitchell Traded to the Cavs 

Post#61 » by mg » Sat Sep 3, 2022 5:37 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:I think Sexton is a reclamation, by low and sell high move by Ainge. I don't expect him to stay with the Jazz for very long. The Jazz will help him get back to form, show the league he's put the injury behind him, and that he can still score in bunches. When he restores his value, he'll be on a very friendly contract and will probably be traded. It might take two seasons or so, but I doubt he'll finish his 4 year deal wearing a Jazz uniform.


Possibly especially if it looks like it's going to be 3-4 years in the lottery.

OTOH maybe the Jazz luck into a super prospect in the lottery. In that case it might be a good idea to keep a few of these Cle/Minn guys around long term. There are so many variables at this point. Maybe Sexton ends up being a Brunson type to play off the potential super franchise lotto player if the Jazz are so lucky with the lottery balls. It will be interesting to watch it play out.
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Traded to the Cavs 

Post#62 » by ForeverRDjazz » Sun Sep 4, 2022 2:58 am

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Inigo Montoya wrote:I think Sexton is a reclamation, by low and sell high move by Ainge. I don't expect him to stay with the Jazz for very long. The Jazz will help him get back to form, show the league he's put the injury behind him, and that he can still score in bunches. When he restores his value, he'll be on a very friendly contract and will probably be traded. It might take two seasons or so, but I doubt he'll finish his 4 year deal wearing a Jazz uniform.


Possibly especially if it looks like it's going to be 3-4 years in the lottery.

OTOH maybe the Jazz luck into a super prospect in the lottery. In that case it might be a good idea to keep a few of these Cle/Minn guys around long term. There are so many variables at this point. Maybe Sexton ends up being a Brunson type to play off the potential super franchise lotto player if the Jazz are so lucky with the lottery balls. It will be interesting to watch it play out.

Will the Jazz have never had luck with getting the top pick. I guess when you make the playoffs 30 out of 32 years your picks will be high. :banghead: Maybe will suck just right to land top 3 this year. MG, I see you post a lot in the NY forum. Knicks fan?
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Traded to the Cavs 

Post#63 » by JonFromVA » Sun Sep 4, 2022 5:43 am

Trade Conley and Sexton as your only playmaker would seem like a very viable tank method, unless he suddenly starts doing things he didn't do in the past; but IMO the ability to identify and develop a Mitchell or a Gobert is more valuable than a bunch of ping pong balls.
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Traded to the Cavs 

Post#64 » by Hoops Addict » Sun Sep 4, 2022 6:23 pm

I hope Donovan leaves the Cavs in 3 years......2027 and 2029 they will stink.

I hear Mobley cannot get the max.....Mobley is great.....let's hope he leaves Cleveland.

I want Cleeland to be good...UNTIL their picks are ours.
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Traded to the Cavs 

Post#65 » by Hoops Addict » Sun Sep 4, 2022 6:24 pm

Hoops Addict wrote:I hope Donovan leaves the Cavs in 3 years......2027 and 2029 they will stink.

I hear Mobley cannot get the max.....Mobley is great.....let's hope he leaves Cleveland.

I want Cleveland to be good...UNTIL their picks are ours.
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Traded to the Cavs 

Post#66 » by youngthegiant » Sun Sep 4, 2022 6:39 pm

Gotta say...Danny Ainge absolutely botched this trade. RJ Barrett just turned 22 and is easily worth 3 1st rd picks if he were traded straight up(based on age, projection, production). So you get him and an additional 3 1st rd picks(one with top 5 protections)...like wtf, why did he not take that. The Knicks are going to be complete garbage with Brunson/Mitchell as their two best players, those picks are way more valuable than the Cleveland ones.
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Traded to the Cavs 

Post#67 » by ForeverRDjazz » Sun Sep 4, 2022 6:52 pm

youngthegiant wrote:Gotta say...Danny Ainge absolutely botched this trade. RJ Barrett just turned 22 and is easily worth 3 1st rd picks if he were traded straight up(based on age, projection, production). So you get him and an additional 3 1st rd picks(one with top 5 protections)...like wtf, why did he not take that. The Knicks are going to be complete garbage with Brunson/Mitchell as their two best players, those picks are way more valuable than the Cleveland ones.

Your so good maybe you should be making deals. Easy to be weekend arm chair coach / GM. I like the deal Danny got and ready to move on. Didn't Like Leon tampering with players and he thought he had Danny over a barrel. Wrong. He's feeling the heat after choking with the Mitchell trade. Was his to lose and he did. Choked. I like every Cav player we got. NY RJ was only player i like and he was over paid and when that happened I was done with him.
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Traded to the Cavs 

Post#68 » by stitches » Sun Sep 4, 2022 9:59 pm

Hoops Addict wrote:I hope Donovan leaves the Cavs in 3 years......2027 and 2029 they will stink.

I hear Mobley cannot get the max.....Mobley is great.....let's hope he leaves Cleveland.

I want Cleeland to be good...UNTIL their picks are ours.

Mobley can get the max but he will need to wait for it. He cannot be extended the year before his rookie deal expires(2024). He can get the super max the summer his rookie deal expires(2025), because that's the year Mitchell will opt out of his contract.
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Traded to the Cavs 

Post#69 » by mg » Sun Sep 4, 2022 10:06 pm

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Hoops Addict wrote:I hope Donovan leaves the Cavs in 3 years......2027 and 2029 they will stink.

I hear Mobley cannot get the max.....Mobley is great.....let's hope he leaves Cleveland.

I want Cleeland to be good...UNTIL their picks are ours.

Mobley can get the max but he will need to wait for it. He cannot be extended the year before his rookie deal expires(2024). He can get the super max the summer his rookie deal expires(2025), because that's the year Mitchell will opt out of his contract.


Yes he can sign a 4 year max extension in 2 years or would have to wait until 2025 offseason to get the rookie designated 5 year super max when Don likely opts out of his contract. I'd still be a little uncomfortable if I'm the Cavs because if he does hit RFA he can talk to every team in the league about his future before signing the max extension. GM's like Pat the Rat Riley could put some ideas into his head.
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Traded to the Cavs 

Post#70 » by mg » Sun Sep 4, 2022 10:10 pm

youngthegiant wrote:Gotta say...Danny Ainge absolutely botched this trade. RJ Barrett just turned 22 and is easily worth 3 1st rd picks if he were traded straight up(based on age, projection, production). So you get him and an additional 3 1st rd picks(one with top 5 protections)...like wtf, why did he not take that. The Knicks are going to be complete garbage with Brunson/Mitchell as their two best players, those picks are way more valuable than the Cleveland ones.


Do we even know if Ainge really wanted RJ or wanted to pay the freight for his new contract? I think Barrett is a bit too expensive on that new extension he just signed. Anyway Aigne knows the drill and how to extract the best pick packages. If he took this deal it was the best one on the table.
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Traded to the Cavs 

Post#71 » by jstudabaka » Mon Sep 5, 2022 12:11 am

Yeah I don’t know about all this “Ainge is a gangster” stuff. Those Cavs pics are probably going to be pretty crap and the pick swaps worthless
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Traded to the Cavs 

Post#72 » by Cappy_Smurf » Mon Sep 5, 2022 6:50 am

youngthegiant wrote:Gotta say...Danny Ainge absolutely botched this trade. RJ Barrett just turned 22 and is easily worth 3 1st rd picks if he were traded straight up(based on age, projection, production). So you get him and an additional 3 1st rd picks(one with top 5 protections)...like wtf, why did he not take that. The Knicks are going to be complete garbage with Brunson/Mitchell as their two best players, those picks are way more valuable than the Cleveland ones.


Lmao.

If Barret was all that valuable, Ainge would have had an easy time finding a 3rd team willing to add value to the trade to take him.

NOBODY wanted him on the contract he was about to get, or Ainge would have dealt with NY. He took the Cavs deal mainly because of the 27 and 29 unprotected picks that the Knicks wouldn't give up. The unprotected picks were meat of any Mitchell trade. The Knicks wouldn't have been as good as the Cavs but they would still have bee good enough that the picks they were offering would have been middle of the first round. Ainge was after picks that could turn into high lottery picks. 2027 and 2029 are far enough in the future to gamble on regardless of where those two teams are now. If the Knicks were offering their 27 and 29 unprotected, Mitchell would be a Knick.
New York said Mitchell wasn't the guy you trade the sink for, then they traded it for Mikal, lol.
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Traded to the Cavs 

Post#73 » by Revenged25 » Fri Sep 9, 2022 1:56 am

I've always been high on Sexton's potential and wish he had a chance to have a team built to his strengths. I've always thought his game was pretty similar to pre-injury DRose, though obviously not the same feel as a passer but could be learned/taught. I think the Jazz could end up as a sneakily good team, though obviously so many young players will end up dropping games regardless.
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Re: Donovan Mitchell Traded to the Cavs 

Post#74 » by JonFromVA » Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:38 pm

Hoops Addict wrote:I hope Donovan leaves the Cavs in 3 years......2027 and 2029 they will stink.

I hear Mobley cannot get the max.....Mobley is great.....let's hope he leaves Cleveland.

I want Cleeland to be good...UNTIL their picks are ours.


Or maybe Ainge trades the picks for players and you don't need to worry about it...

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