RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#3 2022-23

[SpreeS]

2018 GSW won - 1st Lebron/2nd KD
2019 TOR won - 1st Kawhi
2020 LAL won - 1st Lebron
2021 MIL won - 1st Giannis
2022 GSW won - Curry 4th?

People never learn. Curry was and is underrated throughout his career.

I would say that having far the most team helps winning too. In the WCF was 360 mio vs. 117 mio. The question is what happens, if you switch Curry and Luka? I would say that GSW still wins Nba title easily and it's very questionable what happens with Mavs in RS already.

Those individual ratings should be as little as possible influenced with team success, because just 1 player cannot win anything.

1. Doncic ISO in Kerr motion offence???
2. What role would Green have on offensive end?
3. What kind of space would Doncic have with Green/Looney as frontcourt?
4. We didn't win easy. GSW was one game away from 1-3, if not Curry 42pts game.
5. Dallas had +3.5 w/o Doncic in RS. 8W-9L in RS and 2W-1L in PO. DAL is a solid/avg team w/o Doncic.
6. 360 mio vs 117 mio is bulls..t. I can say nothing, if you think that Klay for 38ml after missing 2.5y and Brunson for 1.8ml or Doncic for 10ml are real values....
7. 2022/23 GSW 187ml, 2022/23 DAl 168ml + Brunson 27ml.

[Archx]

Vote: Steph, if this poll was done in May 17th, I would've put Luka, my favourite player of all time, but Steph dominated him and the Cetlics in the WCF and Finals.
Nominate: Gobert

Curry actually had the worst playoff series against the Mavs. It was more or less other players who beat the Mavs. Even Wiggins stepped up big. Wiggins and Looney were the difference makers because Mavs lacked any real center presence.

[Mavrelous]

Vote: Steph, if this poll was done in May 17th, I would've put Luka, my favourite player of all time, but Steph dominated him and the Cetlics in the WCF and Finals.
Nominate: Gobert

Curry actually had the worst playoff series against the Mavs. It was more or less other players who beat the Mavs. Even Wiggins stepped up big. Wiggins and Looney were the difference makers because Mavs lacked any real center presence.

Mavs didn't have center presence throughout the PO, Curry's impact is his gravity, GSW is an average team w/o him, see their record when he went down, they barely squeaked 5 wins in the last 5 games to gain the 3rd spot, but they are a losing team w/o him.
I think it can go wither way, but when in doubt I go with the winner, that's why I also thought Luka should've been ahead of Curry in MVP voting last year.

[Archx]

Vote: Steph, if this poll was done in May 17th, I would've put Luka, my favourite player of all time, but Steph dominated him and the Cetlics in the WCF and Finals.
Nominate: Gobert

Curry actually had the worst playoff series against the Mavs. It was more or less other players who beat the Mavs. Even Wiggins stepped up big. Wiggins and Looney were the difference makers because Mavs lacked any real center presence.

Mavs didn't have center presence throughout the PO, Curry's impact is his gravity, GSW is an average team w/o him, see their record when he went down, they barely squeaked 5 wins in the last 5 games to gain the 3rd spot, but they are a losing team w/o him.
I think it can go wither way, but when in doubt I go with the winner, that's why I also thought Luka should've been ahead of Curry in MVP voting last year.

I do agree with you but i strongly believe Curry was far from a difference maker in Mavs series and his gravity, like you said, wasn't the real reason why Mavs lost. But in general you are right.

[BobbyPortisEyes]

Vote: Luka Doncic
Nominate: Rudy Gobert

Pretty extreme recency bias going on with the Curry votes.

[Mavrelous]

Curry actually had the worst playoff series against the Mavs. It was more or less other players who beat the Mavs. Even Wiggins stepped up big. Wiggins and Looney were the difference makers because Mavs lacked any real center presence.

Mavs didn't have center presence throughout the PO, Curry's impact is his gravity, GSW is an average team w/o him, see their record when he went down, they barely squeaked 5 wins in the last 5 games to gain the 3rd spot, but they are a losing team w/o him.
I think it can go wither way, but when in doubt I go with the winner, that's why I also thought Luka should've been ahead of Curry in MVP voting last year.

I do agree with you but i strongly believe Curry was far from a difference maker in Mavs series and his gravity, like you said, wasn't the real reason why Mavs lost. But in general you are right.

In the 4 wins, his +/- always surpassed the score difference, shot 16/36 from 3 (44.4%), 25PPG and 7APG, he was the best player on the team.

[SpreeS]

Curry actually had the worst playoff series against the Mavs. It was more or less other players who beat the Mavs. Even Wiggins stepped up big. Wiggins and Looney were the difference makers because Mavs lacked any real center presence.

Mavs didn't have center presence throughout the PO, Curry's impact is his gravity, GSW is an average team w/o him, see their record when he went down, they barely squeaked 5 wins in the last 5 games to gain the 3rd spot, but they are a losing team w/o him.
I think it can go wither way, but when in doubt I go with the winner, that's why I also thought Luka should've been ahead of Curry in MVP voting last year.

I do agree with you but i strongly believe Curry was far from a difference maker in Mavs series and his gravity, like you said, wasn't the real reason why Mavs lost. But in general you are right.

Series was done after 3 game GSW 3-0 DAL, next two games were stats padding

In first 3 games

Curry in +57 out -14 .651TS 28pts 14.0reb% 31.5ast% 12.2tov% 31.8usg%
Doncic in -61 out +18 .625TS 34pts 12.2reb% 30.4ast% 12.8tov% 38.8usg%

[Archx]

Mavs didn't have center presence throughout the PO, Curry's impact is his gravity, GSW is an average team w/o him, see their record when he went down, they barely squeaked 5 wins in the last 5 games to gain the 3rd spot, but they are a losing team w/o him.
I think it can go wither way, but when in doubt I go with the winner, that's why I also thought Luka should've been ahead of Curry in MVP voting last year.

I do agree with you but i strongly believe Curry was far from a difference maker in Mavs series and his gravity, like you said, wasn't the real reason why Mavs lost. But in general you are right.

Series was done after 3 game GSW 3-0 DAL, next two games were stats padding

In first 3 games

Curry in +57 out -14 .651TS 28pts 14.0reb% 31.5ast% 12.2tov% 31.8usg%
Doncic in -61 out +18 .625TS 34pts 12.2reb% 30.4ast% 12.8tov% 38.8usg%

Ah yes when all other logic fails, bring up +/- in limited examples. Totally ignoring talent and lineups on the floor. Could have been totally different if Bullock wasn't 0/10 in that 3rd game. Mavs would have been up 2-1 at that point. But that's almost as irrelevant as your +/- at this point.

[SpreeS]

Vote: Steph, if this poll was done in May 17th, I would've put Luka, my favourite player of all time, but Steph dominated him and the Cetlics in the WCF and Finals.
Nominate: Gobert

Curry actually had the worst playoff series against the Mavs. It was more or less other players who beat the Mavs. Even Wiggins stepped up big. Wiggins and Looney were the difference makers because Mavs lacked any real center presence.

Mavs didn't have center presence throughout the PO, Curry's impact is his gravity, GSW is an average team w/o him, see their record when he went down, they barely squeaked 5 wins in the last 5 games to gain the 3rd spot, but they are a losing team w/o him.
I think it can go wither way, but when in doubt I go with the winner, that's why I also thought Luka should've been ahead of Curry in MVP voting last year.

So Curry isn't the winner.

[SpreeS]

I do agree with you but i strongly believe Curry was far from a difference maker in Mavs series and his gravity, like you said, wasn't the real reason why Mavs lost. But in general you are right.

Series was done after 3 game GSW 3-0 DAL, next two games were stats padding

In first 3 games

Curry in +57 out -14 .651TS 28pts 14.0reb% 31.5ast% 12.2tov% 31.8usg%
Doncic in -61 out +18 .625TS 34pts 12.2reb% 30.4ast% 12.8tov% 38.8usg%

Ah yes when all other logic fails, bring up +/- in limited examples. Totally ignoring talent and lineups on the floor. Could have been totally different if Bullock wasn't 0/10 in that 3rd game. Mavs would have been up 2-1 at that point. But that's almost as irrelevant as your +/- at this point.

Why do you talk only about "In"?, What about "out" and the rest stats? bolded good one

[Archx]

Series was done after 3 game GSW 3-0 DAL, next two games were stats padding

In first 3 games

Curry in +57 out -14 .651TS 28pts 14.0reb% 31.5ast% 12.2tov% 31.8usg%
Doncic in -61 out +18 .625TS 34pts 12.2reb% 30.4ast% 12.8tov% 38.8usg%

Ah yes when all other logic fails, bring up +/- in limited examples. Totally ignoring talent and lineups on the floor. Could have been totally different if Bullock wasn't 0/10 in that 3rd game. Mavs would have been up 2-1 at that point. But that's almost as irrelevant as your +/- at this point.

Why do you talk only about "In"?, What about "out" and the rest stats? bolded good one

???

I don't even know what you're trying to argue here anymore and i have no clue why you jumped into debate bringing up +/- from 3 games without any substance. Go and rewatch games if you lost memory how those games were played out. I presented my opinion from watching games and i'm standing by it. The talent difference from both teams was very noticeable and Mavs at the end achieved great result.

[Mavrelous]

Curry actually had the worst playoff series against the Mavs. It was more or less other players who beat the Mavs. Even Wiggins stepped up big. Wiggins and Looney were the difference makers because Mavs lacked any real center presence.

Mavs didn't have center presence throughout the PO, Curry's impact is his gravity, GSW is an average team w/o him, see their record when he went down, they barely squeaked 5 wins in the last 5 games to gain the 3rd spot, but they are a losing team w/o him.
I think it can go wither way, but when in doubt I go with the winner, that's why I also thought Luka should've been ahead of Curry in MVP voting last year.

So Curry isn't the winner.

Your reading comprehension never ceases to amaze, carry on grasshopper, you're on the right the path.

[CharityStripe34]

Voted: Steph
Nominate: Devin Booker

[chokingmav]

Luka/Ja

[shoresy69]

Curry actually had the worst playoff series against the Mavs. It was more or less other players who beat the Mavs. Even Wiggins stepped up big. Wiggins and Looney were the difference makers because Mavs lacked any real center presence.

Mavs didn't have center presence throughout the PO, Curry's impact is his gravity, GSW is an average team w/o him, see their record when he went down, they barely squeaked 5 wins in the last 5 games to gain the 3rd spot, but they are a losing team w/o him.
I think it can go wither way, but when in doubt I go with the winner, that's why I also thought Luka should've been ahead of Curry in MVP voting last year.

I do agree with you but i strongly believe Curry was far from a difference maker in Mavs series and his gravity, like you said, wasn't the real reason why Mavs lost. But in general you are right.

I feel like we watched completely different series. The way Dallas defended Curry was pretty wild, it absolutely had a positive effect on the other 4 Warriors on the floor with him.

[shoresy69]

Vote: Luka Doncic
Nominate: Rudy Gobert

Pretty extreme recency bias going on with the Curry votes.

L M A O

The last 3 guys to win FMVP placed #1 in this poll, but yeah Curry competing for 3rd place is recency bias.

[Jazz Dog]

Voted Curry
Nominate Gobert

[scrabbarista]

Can't believe I'm doing this, because I've consistently told people to slow their roll with overrating him (had him a super-high #1 pre-draft, but things escalated way too quickly once he got into the league), and it's more from lack of a clear choice than any level of certainty on my part, but

vote: Doncic
nominate: n/a

[mg]

I will change my username to "I love child porn" if Collin Sexton is a top 3 player.

I felt a need to include every team in the "Yet to be added" section. With that said,
Nominate: Collin Sexton.

Vote: Doncic (although it was a tough choice between him and Curry)
Nominate: Sexton (especially for salty knick fan who can't get over the Don trade)

[sp6r=underrated]

I will change my username to "I love child porn" if Collin Sexton is a top 3 player.

I felt a need to include every team in the "Yet to be added" section. With that said,
Nominate: Collin Sexton.

Vote: Doncic (although it was a tough choice between him and Curry)
Nominate: Sexton (especially for salty knick fan who can't get over the Don trade)

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Re: #10 - Spida Thread - I hate sham
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Post#142 » by sp6r=underrated » Wed Aug 24, 2022 1:10 pm

I'm hoping it fails too. Does anyone really think he'll ever be consistently top 10 in the NBA? I don't. And I doubt he'll even have 1 year as a top 5 guy.

I don't want to break the bank for a guy who is in the 10 to 25 range. Especially when there are roster fit issues. Roster fit issues are ignored for true superstars but for everyone else it is a concern.

I was hoping for the trade to fail. I'm glad it did. Sexton is trash though. Classic high PPG, terrible everything else on a bad team. Good for a tank commander and nothing else.