Eurobasket 2022 (daily OP updates), day 11, all quarter finals teams known, Italy shocks Europe, eliminates Serbia

Jellybeans · Post #1621 » by **Jellybeans** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:02 pm

Neither wanted to win :lol:

Dzon Dilindzer · Post #1622 » by **Dzon Dilindzer** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:03 pm

refs gave it to turkey, they said: no, thank you!

Jzh · Post #1623 » by **Jzh** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:03 pm

I would have rather lost, we are now just going to be trashed by Serbia

FreeBird23 · Post #1624 » by **FreeBird23** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:07 pm

Gobert with another monster game (20pts 17rbs). Two missed FTs at the end, but the guy is such a beast inside

bravor · Post #1625 » by **bravor** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:08 pm

Crazy finish, the poor osman who was probably the best turkish player today kinda gave us this win with his missed ft's.
Great come back from that turkish team. For France, well typical game. Lack of focus after a good start, bunch of turnovers, then with the other team good runs you have hero ball (and missed shots) from the 'leaders' etc. Not sure we deserved the win considering how embarrasing we have been but i guess we'll take it

Bodiroga13 · Post #1626 » by **Bodiroga13** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:10 pm

This game reminds me an episode of FRIENDS. In this episode, Ross and Chandler are facing each other in arm wrestling and the game is lasting too long. Noone seems to be the winner. A girl who watches the scene, says : "Οh, they are both so strong". And a guy answers : "Or equally weak".

Τhat was the case today.

Serbian are the favorites, i am not impressed by any team, France, Turkey, Greece, Lithuania, Slovenia. Anyway, let's hope that the following games would be as interesting as this one.

Bodiroga13 · Post #1627 » by **Bodiroga13** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:23 pm

I've always thought that Korkmaz is a good player, better than Osman. Unfortunately for him, his game does not "translate" well in the NBA, he could reach MVP level in Euroleague. Osman is more athletic, he fits better in NBA.

I really hope for Gobert to have a monster year in NBA. Everybody put the blame on him, but he is a very good player, he is fighting hard in every game. Maybe his new team utilizes him better. I think D'LO is a good pick'n'roll guard

BadaBoom · Post #1628 » by **BadaBoom** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:25 pm

Game vs Serbia will be brutal for France...
It's not our A team but we should play way better than this anyway. It's time for a change (has been for years...), I wish they get ride of Collet but unfortunately he is under contract until the Olympics and it's unlikely they fire him before. At least 2 more years of purgatory for french fans

UcanUwill · Post #1629 » by **UcanUwill** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:27 pm

why do you hate Collet?

BadaBoom · Post #1630 » by **BadaBoom** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:31 pm

UcanUwill wrote:why do you hate Collet?

He is unable to adapt to the players he has. He is poor when needing to adjust in game and the early lead followed by literal collapse are a good representation of this.
He basically rode an incredibly talented team (at euro level at least) in the early 2010's with very little success.
He totally got bailed by this very unexpected silver medal in the last Olympics. And for this small gift, we got another 4 year of this "has been" coach that will have our team to underperform...

bravor · Post #1631 » by **bravor** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:44 pm

Dude, i know the coach is always responsible for losses and the players for the wins, but you are on basketball forum, not a soccer one.

Collet is a very good technician, his problem has never been in game adjustements but poor players executions. Starting with two things : the quality of the picks (especially the ones at the opposite) and the off the ball move.
This actual roster is filled with limited iq basket players. None are reliable with the ball in their hands (and it's not a question of NT, find me a single guy who TRUST fournier/Heurtel as ball handler).

As for Collet being lucky, we had no Collet during the whole 2000ies and when Parker made sure he would be the only ball ho err i mean the only star in the team (bye moiso, bye Abdul wahad), we had glorious years of underachievements that ended with gOmez (no one knows him here and for a good reason).

Collet is far from perfect (2015 was a farce) but his main problem has always been to trust leaders that dont necessary deserve to be trusted.
With underdogs/role players he has always delivered. At some point, i will look at how limited some of our supposed best players are. And it comes from our training program with wayyy too many stereotyped profiles (even if it changes a bit).

lambchop · Post #1632 » by **lambchop** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:51 pm

KhalilS wrote:Korkmaz brought Turkey to here, and commits the turnover to lose the game, what a tragic finish for him.

He shouldn't have been handling the ball in that situation tbh. He missed Sengun on that pick and roll, who was open (yea Gobert would have been there to protect the rim, but Sengun is a good passer and decision maker).

Then just before he turned the ball over Sengun was actually matched up with Fournier and had an advantage right inside the paint because Gobert went out to the three point line. That would have also been an easy two points.

Then afterwards ended up turning the ball over after not being able to create any space at all. Even if he hadn't lost the ball, he would have ended up taking a contest turnaround fadeaway three or something.

Watch on YouTube

Post #1633 » by **Dirk** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:17 pm

lambchop wrote:
KhalilS wrote:Korkmaz brought Turkey to here, and commits the turnover to lose the game, what a tragic finish for him.

He shouldn't have been handling the ball in that situation tbh. He missed Sengun on that pick and roll, who was open (yea Gobert would have been there to protect the rim, but Sengun is a good passer and decision maker).

Then just before he turned the ball over Sengun was actually matched up with Fournier and had an advantage right inside the paint because Gobert went out to the three point line. That would have also been an easy two points.

Then afterwards ended up turning the ball over after not being able to create any space at all. Even if he hadn't lost the ball, he would have ended up taking a contest turnaround fadeaway three or something.

Watch on YouTube

That's the first time I see Korkmaz dribbling.

BadaBoom · Post #1634 » by **BadaBoom** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:21 pm

bravor wrote:Dude, i know the coach is always responsible for losses and the players for the wins, but you are on basketball forum, not a soccer one.

No need to get offensive if you have a different opinion...

In the last 10 years France had very solid teams at almost all major tournament, yet not a lot of medals. A coach trusting players he shouldn't is actually a coaching problem, not a player one...
I was hoping for a change after the last olympics because 12 years at the head of a team is already very long and when results are not that good it makes sens to change.

GeorgeSears · Post #1635 » by **GeorgeSears** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 2:16 pm

I've never seen Luka whine and complain this much in a single game. He does it a lot anyway, but this is taking it to another level. He's pouting when his team misses a layup, complaining about fouls not being called. Horrible body language. Not something you want to see from a leader.

lambchop · Post #1636 » by **lambchop** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 2:32 pm

GeorgeSears wrote:I've never seen Luka whine and complain this much in a single game. He does it a lot anyway, but this is taking it to another level. He's pouting when his team misses a layup, complaining about fouls not being called. Horrible body language. Not something you want to see from a leader.

I doubt they consider him the vocal leader though. Probably not the vocal leader on the Mavs either. I wouldn't compare this to let's say LBJ or CP3 doing the same thing. To a lot of teammates Luka is probably just a 23 year old basketball phenom, but, apart from the young guys, I don't see his antics or his opinions really impacting his teammates' play.

That said, he needs to mature, if he wants to become a true leader.

K_chile22 · Post #1637 » by **K_chile22** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 2:33 pm

I didn't get to watch because it was at 5 am local time, but can someone explain why Turkey never even gave Sengun a look the entire fourth quarter and OT until the last possession? I get they made a big run without him but he's been their best player hands down in the tournament so seems like an odd decision unless he just looked horrendous

lambchop · Post #1638 » by **lambchop** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 2:34 pm

Belgium kept this game close for such a long time only to get blown out in the 4th quarter. The winner of this game faces Ukraine or Poland so Belgium actually had a realistic shot at the semi finals or even a medal lol.

Evenacus · Post #1639 » by **Evenacus** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 2:34 pm

What a travesty, these officials are so bad. Belgium gives its best and they just have to pander to that whiny s.... :noway:

bravor · Post #1640 » by **bravor** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 2:37 pm

BadaBoom wrote:
bravor wrote:Dude, i know the coach is always responsible for losses and the players for the wins, but you are on basketball forum, not a soccer one.

No need to get offensive if you have a different opinion...

In the last 10 years France had very solid teams at almost all major tournament, yet not a lot of medals. A coach trusting players he shouldn't is actually a coaching problem, not a player one...
I was hoping for a change after the last olympics because 12 years at the head of a team is already very long and when results are not that good it makes sens to change.

That's just irony, not a hit on yourself at all, and yes, this belong to football forum, i'd expect a little more objectivity on a bball forum. And it was a reply to another one (even though you also pointed Collet).

I also wanted a change, because i am also tired of all the criticisms and i wanted to see another staff before Paris. My pick would have been a foreign coach - i would not mind seeing what Mitrovic could do, esp. to improve the transition game efficiency and pnr/pnp defense - who would probaly suit our players much more than the current whole staff (its not like Collet is taking all decisions himself, he always check his assistants btw..) but we perfectly know that won't happen (ie th ent coach has to be french otherwise the ffbb & coaches will get mad). Its not like we have a great coach/manager among the experiences ones, and i dont see any young (certainly not Fauthoux) to take over.

If we were walking over all other teams in young euro/fiba competitions i would gladly set the bar much higher. But we have the players we deserve since we allow wayyy too much mistakes/lack of fundamentals.
At this stage, the coaching staff dont make such a difference.
Having another guy like Tillie to play along Gobert (or any other scoring tall pf option, above average defensively with some play making skills) would help the offense that Collet wishes to do. The problem is building offense on such a limited player offensively than Gobert.

Its not like i am praising Collet, but we seriously need a reality check on the real level of our players.

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