What would you give up for Trae?

[CallMeKahn]

Assuming Trae absolutely wanted out and did not care where he went?

Utah:
24 Swap w/ UTH if pick doesn't convey to OKC, else 25 or 26 swap depending on conveyance
25 CLE Unp
27 CLE Unp
29 CLE Unp
Sexton
Vanderbilt
Bogdanovic

Could argue semantic on the package later.

This is the stuff I was looking forward to seeing. A Utah fan willing to end "the process" on the spot for Trae.
Is this because Trae brings exciting basketball for years to come or do you expect a real shot at a ring with Trae?

Can you look at the roster and seriously say that? Nah, just shaves a year or two off the rebuild.

[BelgradeNugget]

I'm a lifelong Nuggets guy and think Young would be a poor fit with Jokic. He would need the ball far too much and would only accentuate Denver's defensive shortcomings.

I was initially thinking having Trae would balance Denver's offense. He's certainly more skilled individually than Murray. But I'd rather the offense run through Jokic every time.

I don't thing Trae would fit with Nuggets better than Murray and here is why:

1. Murray is very good but underrated defender. Big and strong, can't be bullied at the post by bigger guards/wings
https://www.nba.com/news/defensive-player-ladder-ben-simmons-steals-no-1-spot (no 5)

2. With his strength, offensively, he sets a lot of screens for Jokic in inverted pnr Nuggets like to play, or off ball screens for cutters

3. Offensively he is as good on the ball or off the ball as catch and shoot player or scorer off the dribble

Basically Trae is only better in traditionally playmaking, but Nuggets don't use it as much

[shakes0]

I am really far from being a Trae Young fan, but this thread is disrespecting him significantly.

welcome to RGM. There isn't a more disrespected player than Trae. I'm glad threads like this exist because it always causes a poster such as your self to realize just how ridiculous the Trae disrespect is on this board.

[shakes0]

I'm a lifelong Nuggets guy and think Young would be a poor fit with Jokic. He would need the ball far too much and would only accentuate Denver's defensive shortcomings.

I was initially thinking having Trae would balance Denver's offense. He's certainly more skilled individually than Murray. But I'd rather the offense run through Jokic every time.

I don't thing Trae would fit with Nuggets better than Murray and here is why:

1. Murray is very good but underrated defender. Big and strong, can't be bullied at the post by bigger guards/wings
https://www.nba.com/news/defensive-player-ladder-ben-simmons-steals-no-1-spot (no 5)

2. With his strength, offensively, he sets a lot of screens for Jokic in inverted pnr Nuggets like to play, or off ball screens for cutters

3. Offensively he is as good on the ball or off the ball as catch and shoot player or scorer off the dribble

Basically Trae is only better in traditionally playmaking, but Nuggets don't use it as much

regarding the bolded I disagree that Murray is that good on the ball offensively. He's very overrated in that regard. I've personally seen Lonzo Ball shut him down several times over the years. I bet Murray regrets clowning Lonzo during their first matchup because ever since Lonzo has owned Murray on the court.

[BelgradeNugget]

I was initially thinking having Trae would balance Denver's offense. He's certainly more skilled individually than Murray. But I'd rather the offense run through Jokic every time.

I don't thing Trae would fit with Nuggets better than Murray and here is why:

1. Murray is very good but underrated defender. Big and strong, can't be bullied at the post by bigger guards/wings
https://www.nba.com/news/defensive-player-ladder-ben-simmons-steals-no-1-spot (no 5)

2. With his strength, offensively, he sets a lot of screens for Jokic in inverted pnr Nuggets like to play, or off ball screens for cutters

3. Offensively he is as good on the ball or off the ball as catch and shoot player or scorer off the dribble

Basically Trae is only better in traditionally playmaking, but Nuggets don't use it as much

regarding the bolded I disagree that Murray is that good on the ball offensively. He's very overrated in that regard. I've personally seen Lonzo Ball shut him down several times over the years. I bet Murray regrets clowning Lonzo during their first matchup because ever since Lonzo has owned Murray on the court.

Murray improved significantly over the years. Murray I was talking about is 2019-2021 Murray. In 18-19 POs he was targeted by Portland defensively on low post. He put some muscles next year, and become very good defender in some aspects of defense.

As for Lonzo shutting him down, I don't remember, but in 19-20 POs he was destroying any defense in front of him. In game 7 vs the Clippers he scored 20 1st half points, guarded by Beverly, PG13 and Kawhi. He was so good that Doc decided to double-team him and let Jokic play 4 on 3 on offense and we all know how it ended. Watch some of his highlights from that POs.

Problem with Murray was he was inconsistent until 2019-20 season, when he upped his consistency a lot. Now it is hard to grade Murray in a vacuum because he plays with Jokic, we don't know how he would play in Tray's role (not so good as playmaker I guess), or Trae in his, but he is great fit with Jokic with his skillset and I wouldn't change that.

Edit: when I said good on the ball I ment as a scorrer.

[76ciology]

Until proven otherwise, you can’t win the championship with Trae.

He’s too small on defense. Offensively, he’s not a juggernaut that a guy like Tucker can lock him down. Ben Simmons also actually did a good job against him.

[76ciology]

Murray is a bad player.
21ppg on 18 shots on 53TS%.

You wouldnt give him that much shot attempts and ball time on a winning team

[shakes0]

Until proven otherwise, you can’t win the championship with Trae.

He’s too small on defense. Offensively, he’s not a juggernaut that a guy like Tucker can lock him down. Ben Simmons also actually did a good job against him.

Until proven otherwise you can't win a championship with Embiid, CP3, Booker, Jokic, George, Dame, DeRozan, etc.

[kg01]

Until proven otherwise you can't win a championship with Embiid, CP3, Booker, Jokic, George, Dame, DeRozan, etc.

"Championship"?

How long you think it'll take JoeLLLL to get past the 2nd round?

[Lockdown504090]

Until proven otherwise, you can’t win the championship with Trae.

He’s too small on defense. Offensively, he’s not a juggernaut that a guy like Tucker can lock him down. Ben Simmons also actually did a good job against him.

Until proven otherwise you can't win a championship with Embiid, CP3, Booker, Jokic, George, Dame, DeRozan, etc.

All of those players do have major red flags that stop them from winning every year. Jokic probably the least of them though.

[Lockdown504090]

Murray is a bad player.
21ppg on 18 shots on 53TS%.

You wouldnt give him that much shot attempts and ball time on a winning team

That means He’sa bad scorer, not a bad player. I can’t see that number getting much better on Atlanta unless he’s out in some major work on his game.

[wco81]

Until proven otherwise, you can’t win the championship with Trae.

He’s too small on defense. Offensively, he’s not a juggernaut that a guy like Tucker can lock him down. Ben Simmons also actually did a good job against him.

Until proven otherwise you can't win a championship with Embiid, CP3, Booker, Jokic, George, Dame, DeRozan, etc.

But those players have led their teams to far more wins than Trae has, who's like 40 games under .500 for his career.

Hawks in the two playoff seasons with Trae are 11-12, which is skewed by a 4-1 series win against a bad Knicks team in the first round.

[Ball4life32]

Until proven otherwise, you can’t win the championship with Trae.

He’s too small on defense. Offensively, he’s not a juggernaut that a guy like Tucker can lock him down. Ben Simmons also actually did a good job against him.

Until proven otherwise you can't win a championship with Embiid, CP3, Booker, Jokic, George, Dame, DeRozan, etc.

But those players have led their teams to far more wins than Trae has, who's like 40 games under .500 for his career.

Hawks in the two playoff seasons with Trae are 11-12, which is skewed by a 4-1 series win against a bad Knicks team in the first round.

Hawks were clearly tanking in Trae’s first 2 years to be fair.

[tbhawksfan1]

Until proven otherwise, you can’t win the championship with Trae.

He’s too small on defense. Offensively, he’s not a juggernaut that a guy like Tucker can lock him down. Ben Simmons also actually did a good job against him.

Until proven otherwise you can't win a championship with Embiid, CP3, Booker, Jokic, George, Dame, DeRozan, etc.

But those players have led their teams to far more wins than Trae has, who's like 40 games under .500 for his career.

Hawks in the two playoff seasons with Trae are 11-12, which is skewed by a 4-1 series win against a bad Knicks team in the first round.

Or it's skewed by the fact that Capela, Collins and Bogdan were very injured and barely able to play last season and that the year before the Hawks lead by Trae went to the East finals only to lose to the eventual champs. Short sample size, but I'll take that East finals run anyday. Trae blew up during that run. The Hawks were severly injured and severly badly coached last year. Especially in the playoffs.

[Jadoogar]

Sorry, but no way the Raptors trade for Trae. He doesn't fit what they're doing at all, and it's not just a size thing. If you're not efficient on O and more importantly - you don't play D - they don't want you, especially with a cap killing type contract.

The team swore off compensating for one-way fake stars when they traded away Demar.

To say Trae Young is inefficient on Offense is just flat wrong.
He's also way better than Demar.

[clippertown]

Trae is untradable for any player that is not his own age or less. The price would simply be too much for any other team to absorb.

Maybe in a few years, the concept of trading Trae might be viable, but right now he would demand a similar haul as Luka would and there is not a single team in the league that could meet the price-tag.

[Richard4444]

I wonder if the OP would trade Noah Vonleh for Trae straight up...

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Sorry, but no way the Raptors trade for Trae. He doesn't fit what they're doing at all, and it's not just a size thing. If you're not efficient on O and more importantly - you don't play D - they don't want you, especially with a cap killing type contract.

The team swore off compensating for one-way fake stars when they traded away Demar.

I mean I don't think the raptors would ever meet the asking price, but it would be funny to me if Trae demanded a trade to Toronto (extremely unlikely event anywhere in the multiverse) and Masai was like, nah we good, we're making no offer. I think Masai would give up assets for Trae Young given the opportunity FWIW.

[Catchall]

Trae used to get the softest whistle in the league. Is that still going on?

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Sorry, but no way the Raptors trade for Trae. He doesn't fit what they're doing at all, and it's not just a size thing. If you're not efficient on O and more importantly - you don't play D - they don't want you, especially with a cap killing type contract.

The team swore off compensating for one-way fake stars when they traded away Demar.

I mean I don't think the raptors would ever meet the asking price, but it would be funny to me if Trae demanded a trade to Toronto (extremely unlikely event anywhere in the multiverse) and Masai was like, nah we good, we're making no offer. I think Masai would give up assets for Trae Young given the opportunity FWIW.

like if the Raptors were asked to give up GTJ + OG and combination of 2-4 FRPs and couple of draft swaps etc (package that a lot of Raptors posters were willing to do for KD, for example) - I think Masai would say no tbh.

Masai/Raptors have a player profile in mind and I don't think Trae would meet the Raptors expectations to be a two way player.