Why isn’t there a thread on Bronny?

[azcatz11]

That would be interesting. He surely wouldn’t start his first year for a BB. Maybe Arizona has a shot? He could start for us (we’re a fringe BB)

he's 100% going to be deservedly starting for a blue blood or other major program. People are going to look really dumb for doubting this kid for so long. There aren't more than a handful of guards in the NCAA season to season that are better than Bronny. This should be made obvious to everyone once college games start. I'm not sure why I'm bothering defending him since nobody's mind will be changed even then but at least want it said for posterity's sake.

you realize a lot of 5 stars don't start for blue bloods right? especially guards.

I never would guessed that Boston couch potato would have liked Bronny. Just seems like an odd match given his history

[Duke4life831]

I think it all depends on who bolts for certain teams. Like take Duke for example. If both Roach and Proctor bounce after this year. Duke will be looking really weak at the guard spot. I could see them hoping on late and saying they got plenty of time at the guard spot to get minutes early on.

Duke already got '23 Jared McCain who is going to be the big star for them at PG next year. I do agree that Lebron needs to be looking at teams that will have a weakness at guard. Bronny played well in one tournament this summer and then looked horrible the next week. Not sure he's good enough to come in and start for a blue blood program unless they are really weak at guard. He would be better off going to a Davidson tier program similar to Steph and develop for a few years but Lebron doesn't have that kind of time.

DeJuan Harris started for the national champs and Caleb Love started for the runner up. Stop it.

You literally just mentioned a Junior in Harris and Caleb Love who is a Sophomore and was a top 15 recruit. Those are some weird examples to use.

You do realize Bronny James right now on the composite rankings is currently the 45th ranked recruit in his class. Just going to use Duke because I know that team like the back of my hand. Here are the amount of games played as a freshman for recruits ranked that low over the last few years.

Javin DeLaurier: 12 total games played, 5 starts total in his first 2 years
Alex O'Connell: started 1 game, averaged 10mpg (transferred because of lack of playing time)
Jordan Tucker: 2 total games played, transferred because of lack of playing time
Joey Baker: 4 total games played as a freshman, 4 starts total in his 4 seasons at Duke
Jaemyn Brakefield: 2 starts and 22 total games, transferred because of lack of playing time
Henry Coleman: 19 total games with 0 starts, transferred because of lack of playing time

Those are the 4 star non top 40 guys that have suited up for Duke since the 2016 recruiting class for Duke. Again like I said, Bronny isnt walking into a Blue Blood program and starting as a freshman every game, unless they're very weak at the guard position. Not really sure what part that is bolded is all that controversial.

If Bronny wasnt the son of LeBron, there wouldnt be a thread about him on here. He wouldnt have had his name mentioned on here yet.

[Duke4life831]

I know there was a report saying Oregon was in the lead. But LeBron shot that down pretty quick. I wouldn’t be shocked if a blue blood steps in late and gets him.

That would be interesting. He surely wouldn’t start his first year for a BB. Maybe Arizona has a shot? He could start for us (we’re a fringe BB)

he's 100% going to be deservedly starting for a blue blood or other major program. People are going to look really dumb for doubting this kid for so long. There aren't more than a handful of guards in the NCAA season to season that are better than Bronny. This should be made obvious to everyone once college games start. I'm not sure why I'm bothering defending him since nobody's mind will be changed even then but at least want it said for posterity's sake.

What? I can name 10 guards from Bronny's recruiting class that are better than him, let alone all of the returning college players. Are you seriously expecting Bronny to step into college basketball and be an All American candidate or something? What is this based on either than him having a famous dad?

[clyde21]

he's 100% going to be deservedly starting for a blue blood or other major program. People are going to look really dumb for doubting this kid for so long. There aren't more than a handful of guards in the NCAA season to season that are better than Bronny. This should be made obvious to everyone once college games start. I'm not sure why I'm bothering defending him since nobody's mind will be changed even then but at least want it said for posterity's sake.

you realize a lot of 5 stars don't start for blue bloods right? especially guards.

I never would guessed that Boston couch potato would have liked Bronny. Just seems like an odd match given his history

i mean if he likes Bronny more power to him but it's FAR from guaranteed dude will start if he goes to a blue blood, unless of course there is some politics involved because of who he is.

[clyde21]

i mean if he was in this recruiting class which blue blood would he start for?

def wouldn't start at Duke over Roach or Whitehead or even Proctor. def wouldn't start at UNC over Love or Davis.

at Kansas would he start over Harris or McCullar? doubt it. he'd also have to compete for mins with MJ Rice.

at Gonzaga no way he's starting over Hickman or Sallis.

at Kentucky he won't start over Wheeler or Reeves, and I didn't even mention the two 5 stars in Livingston n Wallace.

you can even go non blue bloods

at Baylor he won't start over George or Cryer.

at Arkansas? might not even crack that guard rotation with Nick Smith Jr and Anthony Black and Ricky Council.



honestly i don't remember the last time a non 5* freshmen guard started for a top10 team unless im blanking out.

[Duke4life831]

you realize a lot of 5 stars don't start for blue bloods right? especially guards.

I never would guessed that Boston couch potato would have liked Bronny. Just seems like an odd match given his history

i mean if he likes Bronny more power to him but it's FAR from guaranteed dude will start if he goes to a blue blood, unless of course there is some politics involved because of who he is.

Ya its all good to prop up a lower ranked guy. Hell I bumped the future prospects thread a couple months back for TJ Power who was ranked in the 60s at the time and that was me saying I think that dude might be able to make the NBA in a few years. (And just a side note, since my post talking about him, TJ Power is now a 5 star recruit and on his way to Duke, just saying...)

But ya just dont be surprised when people push back on the idea that a guy ranked in the 40s in his high school class isnt getting a ton of love for his immediate impact day 1 in college (if he even goes).

[BostonCouchGM]

Duke already got '23 Jared McCain who is going to be the big star for them at PG next year. I do agree that Lebron needs to be looking at teams that will have a weakness at guard. Bronny played well in one tournament this summer and then looked horrible the next week. Not sure he's good enough to come in and start for a blue blood program unless they are really weak at guard. He would be better off going to a Davidson tier program similar to Steph and develop for a few years but Lebron doesn't have that kind of time.

DeJuan Harris started for the national champs and Caleb Love started for the runner up. Stop it.

You literally just mentioned a Junior in Harris and Caleb Love who is a Sophomore and was a top 15 recruit. Those are some weird examples to use.

You do realize Bronny James right now on the composite rankings is currently the 45th ranked recruit in his class. Just going to use Duke because I know that team like the back of my hand. Here are the amount of games played as a freshman for recruits ranked that low over the last few years.

Javin DeLaurier: 12 total games played, 5 starts total in his first 2 years
Alex O'Connell: started 1 game, averaged 10mpg (transferred because of lack of playing time)
Jordan Tucker: 2 total games played, transferred because of lack of playing time
Joey Baker: 4 total games played as a freshman, 4 starts total in his 4 seasons at Duke
Jaemyn Brakefield: 2 starts and 22 total games, transferred because of lack of playing time
Henry Coleman: 19 total games with 0 starts, transferred because of lack of playing time

Those are the 4 star non top 40 guys that have suited up for Duke since the 2016 recruiting class for Duke. Again like I said, Bronny isnt walking into a Blue Blood program and starting as a freshman every game, unless they're very weak at the guard position. Not really sure what part that is bolded is all that controversial.

If Bronny wasnt the son of LeBron, there wouldnt be a thread about him on here. He wouldnt have had his name mentioned on here yet.

My contention is that if Bronny wasn't Lebron's son he wouldn't take a backseat to his teammates allowing them to shine instead so he'd be higher ranking. He's unselfish to a fault. He wasn't aggressive, played team ball and was happy to watch the older guys he was playing with ball out and build up their value. He doesn't feel this need because he's quietly confident, is set in life either way, and knows his time was coming. Lonzo Ball was the same way and it's why I was such a big fan of him too. Since the guys he was playing with have graduated he's now moved up a rung and is being more aggressive and his ranking/status has risen in lock-step.

I think he brought up those guards, Harris and Love, I assume, to highlight the lack of depth and talent at the guard position in college where even average players can start for Blue Bloods. None of the "experts" had Trae ranked high until his first week in college. They all missed. So why put so much stock in their rankings?

Freshmen guards Bronny is as/more talented than that have started games as freshmen at Duke in recent history:

Quinn Cook
Matt Jones
Derryck Thornton
Luke Kennard
Frank Jackson
Trevon Duval
Trent Jr.
Tre Jones
Cassius Stanley
Wendell Moore
Jeremy Roach
DJ Steward

and that's just ONE of the Blue Bloods/Major Programs. I think it's silly that people don't think he'll start somewhere. I think it's to the point that BECAUSE he's Lebron's son they're more negative which makes it odd that I'm the one defending him since I find Lebron so overrated lmao.

All I have been saying is watch how it plays out. We're a year away from him being in college and he will get better, get stronger, mature and by that time will easily be considered a top half of the first round talent as he enters college and his ranking will change and the question of whether he'll start or not will be moot.

[BostonCouchGM]

That would be interesting. He surely wouldn’t start his first year for a BB. Maybe Arizona has a shot? He could start for us (we’re a fringe BB)

he's 100% going to be deservedly starting for a blue blood or other major program. People are going to look really dumb for doubting this kid for so long. There aren't more than a handful of guards in the NCAA season to season that are better than Bronny. This should be made obvious to everyone once college games start. I'm not sure why I'm bothering defending him since nobody's mind will be changed even then but at least want it said for posterity's sake.

What? I can name 10 guards from Bronny's recruiting class that are better than him, let alone all of the returning college players. Are you seriously expecting Bronny to step into college basketball and be an All American candidate or something? What is this based on either than him having a famous dad?

Yes, I AM saying that he's got all-American talent. It's based on him having a solid (but def needs some work) handle, nice looking jumper, high BBIQ, high motor, above the rim athleticism and being one a willing and well above average defender.

Let's go through the top 10 PG guards just drafted (aka the top 10 guards the prior college season) I'm talking actually next level PG not SGs like Davis, Jalen Williams, Daniels, and Wesley that are listed as PG but really aren't. Here's this supposedly deep group Bronny can't possibly be a part of:

Jaden Ivey
Ty Ty Washington
Andrew Nembhard
Kennedy Chandler
JD Davison
Huge Besson

that's it. The only comparable PGs to Bronny taken in 2022. You can go back each draft class and see how there are actually very few PGs taken and certainly not 10 of them.

In 2021 Cade and Giddey are really Point Forwards so you really just have:

Davion Mitchell
Tre Mann
Bones Hyland
Shariffe Cooper

In 2020 you have:

Melo (Point forward tbh)
Haliburton
Flynn
Pritchard
Terry

How about the top 10 guys for the upcoming 2023 draft (albeit it's early):

Scoot Henderson
Amare Bailey
Terquavian Smith

I think you are vastly overstating how many good PGs there are each college season. For the record, I have him as being close to the type of player that guys like Marcus Smart, Davion Mitchell, Payton Pritchard, Jrue Holiday and Mike Conley are. I

Please enlighten me who you believe will be the 10 PG/combo (not SG) better than Bronny in 2024.

Right now I see Wagner, Dillingham, Foster, and maybe Collier as being clearly better. Could maybe a few be added to this list? Sure. But not enough to knock Bronny out of the top 10.

[Duke4life831]

DeJuan Harris started for the national champs and Caleb Love started for the runner up. Stop it.

You literally just mentioned a Junior in Harris and Caleb Love who is a Sophomore and was a top 15 recruit. Those are some weird examples to use.

You do realize Bronny James right now on the composite rankings is currently the 45th ranked recruit in his class. Just going to use Duke because I know that team like the back of my hand. Here are the amount of games played as a freshman for recruits ranked that low over the last few years.

Javin DeLaurier: 12 total games played, 5 starts total in his first 2 years
Alex O'Connell: started 1 game, averaged 10mpg (transferred because of lack of playing time)
Jordan Tucker: 2 total games played, transferred because of lack of playing time
Joey Baker: 4 total games played as a freshman, 4 starts total in his 4 seasons at Duke
Jaemyn Brakefield: 2 starts and 22 total games, transferred because of lack of playing time
Henry Coleman: 19 total games with 0 starts, transferred because of lack of playing time

Those are the 4 star non top 40 guys that have suited up for Duke since the 2016 recruiting class for Duke. Again like I said, Bronny isnt walking into a Blue Blood program and starting as a freshman every game, unless they're very weak at the guard position. Not really sure what part that is bolded is all that controversial.

If Bronny wasnt the son of LeBron, there wouldnt be a thread about him on here. He wouldnt have had his name mentioned on here yet.

My contention is that if Bronny wasn't Lebron's son he wouldn't take a backseat to his teammates allowing them to shine instead so he'd be higher ranking. He's unselfish to a fault. He wasn't aggressive, played team ball and was happy to watch the older guys he was playing with ball out and build up their value. He doesn't feel this need because he's quietly confident, is set in life either way, and knows his time was coming. Lonzo Ball was the same way and it's why I was such a big fan of him too. Since the guys he was playing with have graduated he's now moved up a rung and is being more aggressive and his ranking/status has risen in lock-step.

I think he brought up those guards, Harris and Love, I assume, to highlight the lack of depth and talent at the guard position in college where even average players can start for Blue Bloods. None of the "experts" had Trae ranked high until his first week in college. They all missed. So why put so much stock in their rankings?

Freshmen guards Bronny is as/more talented than that have started games as freshmen at Duke in recent history:

Quinn Cook
Matt Jones
Derryck Thornton
Luke Kennard
Frank Jackson
Trevon Duval
Trent Jr.
Tre Jones
Cassius Stanley
Wendell Moore
Jeremy Roach
DJ Steward

and that's just ONE of the Blue Bloods/Major Programs. I think it's silly that people don't think he'll start somewhere. I think it's to the point that BECAUSE he's Lebron's son they're more negative which makes it odd that I'm the one defending him since I find Lebron so overrated lmao.

All I have been saying is watch how it plays out. We're a year away from him being in college and he will get better, get stronger, mature and by that time will easily be considered a top half of the first round talent as he enters college and his ranking will change and the question of whether he'll start or not will be moot.

If Lonzo was the same way, why didn't it effect his ranking but it drastically effects Bronny? Lonzo was viewed as a top 5 guy in his class. Also Trae was a 5 star recruit coming out of high school, not sure I get the whole "they weren't high on him and missed" sentiment there. Then when it comes to the guys you just mentioned. Every single one of those guys were ranked higher in their class than Bronny is. But to just break them down

Cook: Ranked higher and only had 4 spot starts and averaged only 11mpg
Jones: Ranked higher and only. had 4 spot starts and averaged 7 mpg
Thornton: Was a consensus 5 star, top 15 guy in his class
Kennard: 5 star and started only 11 games as a freshman
Jackson: Consensus 5 star and top 15 guy in his class, didnt even start half the games as a freshman
Duval: Was a top 5 guy in his class
Trent: 5 star and top 15 guy
Tre: 5 star and top 15 guy
Stanley: Ranked higher than Bronny
Moorer: borderline 5 star, only started 11 games
Roach: Consensus 5 star
Steward: borderline 5 star

So a few things, first of all a lot of these guys on here no one would consider "starters". Again Cook and Jones got spot starts and were barely in the rotation for the majority of their freshman seasons. 2nd every guy you just mentioned were ranked higher than Bronny, some of these guys were viewed as elite in their class.

Again do I think Bronny steps in and is the everyday starter for a blue blood? Only if they're extremely weak at the guard position. Do I think Bronny can crack the rotation as a freshman in a blue blood? Yes I do. Lastly if youre very high on Bronny that is all good, pretty much everyone here have guys they're a lot higher or lower than what their ranking is. But this would be like me saying Taylor Hendricks is elite and could start anywhere this year and will be an all American. Could it happen? Crazier things have happened, but I wouldnt be surprised when the majority of people on here disagree with the take.

[clyde21]

he's 100% going to be deservedly starting for a blue blood or other major program. People are going to look really dumb for doubting this kid for so long. There aren't more than a handful of guards in the NCAA season to season that are better than Bronny. This should be made obvious to everyone once college games start. I'm not sure why I'm bothering defending him since nobody's mind will be changed even then but at least want it said for posterity's sake.

What? I can name 10 guards from Bronny's recruiting class that are better than him, let alone all of the returning college players. Are you seriously expecting Bronny to step into college basketball and be an All American candidate or something? What is this based on either than him having a famous dad?

Yes, I AM saying that he's got all-American talent. It's based on him having a solid (but def needs some work) handle, nice looking jumper, high BBIQ, high motor, above the rim athleticism and being one a willing and well above average defender.

Let's go through the top 10 PG guards just drafted (aka the top 10 guards the prior college season) I'm talking actually next level PG not SGs like Davis, Jalen Williams, Daniels, and Wesley that are listed as PG but really aren't. Here's this supposedly deep group Bronny can't possibly be a part of:

Jaden Ivey
Ty Ty Washington
Andrew Nembhard
Kennedy Chandler
JD Davison
Huge Besson

that's it. The only comparable PGs to Bronny taken in 2022. You can go back each draft class and see how there are actually very few PGs taken and certainly not 10 of them.

In 2021 Cade and Giddey are really Point Forwards so you really just have:

Davion Mitchell
Tre Mann
Bones Hyland
Shariffe Cooper

In 2020 you have:

Melo (Point forward tbh)
Haliburton
Flynn
Pritchard
Terry

How about the top 10 guys for the upcoming 2023 draft (albeit it's early):

Scoot Henderson
Amare Bailey
Terquavian Smith

I think you are vastly overstating how many good PGs there are each college season. For the record, I have him as being close to the type of player that guys like Marcus Smart, Davion Mitchell, Payton Pritchard, Jrue Holiday and Mike Conley are. I

Please enlighten me who you believe will be the 10 PG/combo (not SG) better than Bronny in 2024.

Right now I see Wagner, Dillingham, Foster, and maybe Collier as being clearly better. Could maybe a few be added to this list? Sure. But not enough to knock Bronny out of the top 10.

there is so much wrong with this post

first of all, your list of 'PGs' doesn't make sense. how is Daniels not on this list? he's much more of a PG than a guy like Ivey at this point so I'm not sure why you left him completely off.

second of all, this was a historically weak PG class to begin with.

third of all, you're giving Bronny the benefit of the doubt without actually having to play college ball or g league or whatever...these guys actually had to player higher levels of basketball thus we we were able to see more of their flaws, you can't compare that a guy that has yet to play a single minute of higher level basketball. there is a reason most HS players end up disappointing when they get to college...because, you know, tougher competition. even a lot of the 5*s underwhelm especially as freshmen in college.

fourth of all, Bronny isn't even that good a prospect in his OWN class. he's ranked 45th currently on 247 and the 11th guard in his class...and, again, that's WITH the benefit of being LeBron's son which probably gives him 10-15 spots buffer alone because hype. if his name Joe Smith he'd probably be ranked closer to 65th and this thread wouldn't exist. he might have not even gotten into Sierra Canyon.

ill ask again...can you give us the last G that was ranked in the 40s in his class that ended up starting as a freshmen for a blue blood? i'm sure it's a long list.

[Pelly24]

Bronny shot 35/30/65 splits with a bad record in the EYBL this year. He is a 6'2" guard that has neither blow-by burst nor a consistent jumper nor an above average handle (actually kind of weak). And yet, when he plays in a role where he doesn't have to be the lead scorer, he's really great. That's the reason he got big minutes in important SC games as a Freshman and he was playing really well at NBPA top 100 camp. I think we may have seem him start reaching into another level at Peach Jam and then in Europe. I think he needs more reps as the guy, but his jumper form is great so I think he'll be a solid shooter, he's got good positional size for college can can probably guard 1-3 and he does't make a lot of mistakes with the ball. He can for sure start for most high major squads even as a Freshman. NBA potential all comes down to his jumper and his ability to handle the ball. He'll be a solid athlete at the NBA level, if he's able to get there. He'd be a lock if he were a legit 6'4."

[Big J]

Kinda BS that Bronny got a NIL deal when many better guys in his class haven't gotten one yet. It's not like he even needs the $ either.

[SeattleJazzFan]

rich get richer. it's as old as time.

[azcatz11]

Accept whatever NIL you want but don't be surprised if the hammer comes down if you suck. The public has a right to criticize this kid if he doesn't pan out and I don't want to hear any sympathy either about pressure or any of that BS

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Accept whatever NIL you want but don't be surprised if the hammer comes down if you suck. The public has a right to criticize this kid if he doesn't pan out and I don't want to hear any sympathy either about pressure or any of that BS

You hard man you

[BostonCouchGM]

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[BostonCouchGM]

What? I can name 10 guards from Bronny's recruiting class that are better than him, let alone all of the returning college players. Are you seriously expecting Bronny to step into college basketball and be an All American candidate or something? What is this based on either than him having a famous dad?

Yes, I AM saying that he's got all-American talent. It's based on him having a solid (but def needs some work) handle, nice looking jumper, high BBIQ, high motor, above the rim athleticism and being one a willing and well above average defender.

Let's go through the top 10 PG guards just drafted (aka the top 10 guards the prior college season) I'm talking actually next level PG not SGs like Davis, Jalen Williams, Daniels, and Wesley that are listed as PG but really aren't. Here's this supposedly deep group Bronny can't possibly be a part of:

Jaden Ivey
Ty Ty Washington
Andrew Nembhard
Kennedy Chandler
JD Davison
Huge Besson

that's it. The only comparable PGs to Bronny taken in 2022. You can go back each draft class and see how there are actually very few PGs taken and certainly not 10 of them.

In 2021 Cade and Giddey are really Point Forwards so you really just have:

Davion Mitchell
Tre Mann
Bones Hyland
Shariffe Cooper

In 2020 you have:

Melo (Point forward tbh)
Haliburton
Flynn
Pritchard
Terry

How about the top 10 guys for the upcoming 2023 draft (albeit it's early):

Scoot Henderson
Amare Bailey
Terquavian Smith

I think you are vastly overstating how many good PGs there are each college season. For the record, I have him as being close to the type of player that guys like Marcus Smart, Davion Mitchell, Payton Pritchard, Jrue Holiday and Mike Conley are. I

Please enlighten me who you believe will be the 10 PG/combo (not SG) better than Bronny in 2024.

Right now I see Wagner, Dillingham, Foster, and maybe Collier as being clearly better. Could maybe a few be added to this list? Sure. But not enough to knock Bronny out of the top 10.

there is so much wrong with this post

first of all, your list of 'PGs' doesn't make sense. how is Daniels not on this list? he's much more of a PG than a guy like Ivey at this point so I'm not sure why you left him completely off.

second of all, this was a historically weak PG class to begin with.

third of all, you're giving Bronny the benefit of the doubt without actually having to play college ball or g league or whatever...these guys actually had to player higher levels of basketball thus we we were able to see more of their flaws, you can't compare that a guy that has yet to play a single minute of higher level basketball. there is a reason most HS players end up disappointing when they get to college...because, you know, tougher competition. even a lot of the 5*s underwhelm especially as freshmen in college.

fourth of all, Bronny isn't even that good a prospect in his OWN class. he's ranked 45th currently on 247 and the 11th guard in his class...and, again, that's WITH the benefit of being LeBron's son which probably gives him 10-15 spots buffer alone because hype. if his name Joe Smith he'd probably be ranked closer to 65th and this thread wouldn't exist. he might have not even gotten into Sierra Canyon.

ill ask again...can you give us the last G that was ranked in the 40s in his class that ended up starting as a freshmen for a blue blood? i'm sure it's a long list.

Ask and ye shall receive...

Of course, what is a "blue blood"? And why are we limiting it to just blue bloods? IMHO he should be able to start for a major program i.e. a program that makes the tournament and has advanced plenty in the recent past. This list isn't ONLY those but it consists of guys who ended up making the league, that played in the NCAA tournament (mostly) and started games as a freshmen. Some just a handful. Some half a season. Some the full seasons.

Guards ranked low like Bronny that started games as freshmen for a big programs and their 247 sports preseason rank:


Jaden Ivey - 99
Mac McClung - 227
Chris Duarte - 186
Zhaire Smith - 223
Josh Okogie - 219
Tyrese Haliburton - 177
Carsen Edwards - 139
Ochai Agbaji - 179
Moses Moody - 40
RJ Davis - 60
Malaki Branham - 36
Blake Wesley - 117
Trae Young - 30
Ayo Dosunmo - 30
Lou Dort - 33
Tyler Herro - 38
Kira Lewis - 39
Jalen Brunson - 30
Kyle Guy -43
Payton Pritchard - 69
Aaron Holiday - 37
SGA - 31
Monte Morris - 115
Kevin Huerter - 85
Frank Mason - 52
James Akinjo - 119
DLO - 30
Nik Stauskas - 82
Buddy Hield - 113
Dillon Brooks - 60
Devin Askew - 32
Donovan Mitchell - 37
Dejounte Murray - 66
Shake Milton - 92
Cassius Winston - 35
Ty Jerome - 31
Marcus Garrett - 51
NAW - 37
Quinn Cook - 33
Matt Jones - 38
Quade Green - 33
Aaron Nesmith - 46
Talen Horton-Tucker - 65
Jared Butler - 88
James Bouknight - 53

admit it, this kinda hurt lol

I'll consider this "debate" over. No need for further embarrassment.

And the point really is that "scouts" are bad at their jobs and fail spectacularly season after season and their rankings/grades are often laughable as is the case with Bronny and proven beyond a shadow of a doubt by the extensive list I've provided. And if you start looking at guys that were ranked in the 20s and therefore laughably graded this list doubles.

[Duke4life831]

Yes, I AM saying that he's got all-American talent. It's based on him having a solid (but def needs some work) handle, nice looking jumper, high BBIQ, high motor, above the rim athleticism and being one a willing and well above average defender.

Let's go through the top 10 PG guards just drafted (aka the top 10 guards the prior college season) I'm talking actually next level PG not SGs like Davis, Jalen Williams, Daniels, and Wesley that are listed as PG but really aren't. Here's this supposedly deep group Bronny can't possibly be a part of:

Jaden Ivey
Ty Ty Washington
Andrew Nembhard
Kennedy Chandler
JD Davison
Huge Besson

that's it. The only comparable PGs to Bronny taken in 2022. You can go back each draft class and see how there are actually very few PGs taken and certainly not 10 of them.

In 2021 Cade and Giddey are really Point Forwards so you really just have:

Davion Mitchell
Tre Mann
Bones Hyland
Shariffe Cooper

In 2020 you have:

Melo (Point forward tbh)
Haliburton
Flynn
Pritchard
Terry

How about the top 10 guys for the upcoming 2023 draft (albeit it's early):

Scoot Henderson
Amare Bailey
Terquavian Smith

I think you are vastly overstating how many good PGs there are each college season. For the record, I have him as being close to the type of player that guys like Marcus Smart, Davion Mitchell, Payton Pritchard, Jrue Holiday and Mike Conley are. I

Please enlighten me who you believe will be the 10 PG/combo (not SG) better than Bronny in 2024.

Right now I see Wagner, Dillingham, Foster, and maybe Collier as being clearly better. Could maybe a few be added to this list? Sure. But not enough to knock Bronny out of the top 10.

there is so much wrong with this post

first of all, your list of 'PGs' doesn't make sense. how is Daniels not on this list? he's much more of a PG than a guy like Ivey at this point so I'm not sure why you left him completely off.

second of all, this was a historically weak PG class to begin with.

third of all, you're giving Bronny the benefit of the doubt without actually having to play college ball or g league or whatever...these guys actually had to player higher levels of basketball thus we we were able to see more of their flaws, you can't compare that a guy that has yet to play a single minute of higher level basketball. there is a reason most HS players end up disappointing when they get to college...because, you know, tougher competition. even a lot of the 5*s underwhelm especially as freshmen in college.

fourth of all, Bronny isn't even that good a prospect in his OWN class. he's ranked 45th currently on 247 and the 11th guard in his class...and, again, that's WITH the benefit of being LeBron's son which probably gives him 10-15 spots buffer alone because hype. if his name Joe Smith he'd probably be ranked closer to 65th and this thread wouldn't exist. he might have not even gotten into Sierra Canyon.

ill ask again...can you give us the last G that was ranked in the 40s in his class that ended up starting as a freshmen for a blue blood? i'm sure it's a long list.

Ask and ye shall receive...

Of course, what is a "blue blood"? And why are we limiting it to just blue bloods? IMHO he should be able to start for a major program i.e. a program that makes the tournament and has advanced plenty in the recent past. This list isn't ONLY those but it consists of guys who ended up making the league, that played in the NCAA tournament (mostly) and started games as a freshmen. Some just a handful. Some half a season. Some the full seasons.

Guards ranked low like Bronny that started games as freshmen for a big programs and their 247 sports preseason rank:


Jaden Ivey - 99
Mac McClung - 227
Chris Duarte - 186
Zhaire Smith - 223
Josh Okogie - 219
Tyrese Haliburton - 177
Carsen Edwards - 139
Ochai Agbaji - 179
Moses Moody - 40
RJ Davis - 60
Malaki Branham - 36
Blake Wesley - 117
Trae Young - 30
Ayo Dosunmo - 30
Lou Dort - 33
Tyler Herro - 38
Kira Lewis - 39
Jalen Brunson - 30
Kyle Guy -43
Payton Pritchard - 69
Aaron Holiday - 37
SGA - 31
Monte Morris - 115
Kevin Huerter - 85
Frank Mason - 52
James Akinjo - 119
DLO - 30
Nik Stauskas - 82
Buddy Hield - 113
Dillon Brooks - 60
Devin Askew - 32
Donovan Mitchell - 37
Dejounte Murray - 66
Shake Milton - 92
Cassius Winston - 35
Ty Jerome - 31
Marcus Garrett - 51
NAW - 37
Quinn Cook - 33
Matt Jones - 38
Quade Green - 33
Aaron Nesmith - 46
Talen Horton-Tucker - 65
Jared Butler - 88
James Bouknight - 53

admit it, this kinda hurt lol

I'll consider this "debate" over. No need for further embarrassment.

And the point really is that "scouts" are bad at their jobs and fail spectacularly season after season and their rankings/grades are often laughable as is the case with Bronny and proven beyond a shadow of a doubt by the extensive list I've provided. And if you start looking at guys that were ranked in the 20s and therefore laughably graded this list doubles.

I don’t think anyone is saying Bronny wouldn’t be able to start for a power conference team. There is a difference between power conference teams and the Blue Bloods. Here are the college basketball blue bloods

Duke, UK, UNC, and Kansas are the Blue Bloods that are still relevant

UCLA and Indiana are also considered blue bloods but they don’t have the recent impact like the other 4 (don’t think anyone outside of Dickie V still calls Indiana one).

Also let’s not do dumb straw man arguments. When someone says started for a blue blood, they’re not talking starting a game or two, they’re talking about being a starter for the team. Let’s just put the baseline at started at least half the games. So guys in your list that fits those requirements…

Ochai (didn’t start half his teams games but close enough)
Herro (not ranked in the 40s, but close enough)
Holiday (hard to still consider UCLA a blue blood, but they’re still barely hanging on I guess)
SGA (we’re getting pretty far from 40s but sure)
Askew (again getting pretty far from the 40s but whatever)

That’s it from that list. That’s 5 guys right there who could be looked at as starters for blue bloods. Again no one is making the argument that Bronny couldn’t start for a power conference team (not even all of those guys on that list were from power conference teams by the way). No one is making the argument that he couldn’t be a rotation guy on a blue blood and being a rotation player could lead to some spot starts throughout the year. Everyone here knows what others mean when they say someone is a starter in these discussions. No Duke fan considered Quinn Cook a starter when he was a freshman. No one ever considered Alex O’Connell a starter at Duke in his 3 years there even though he had starts each year. Jaemyn Brakefield was never considered a starter (he transferred because of lack of playing time) and he managed 2 starts as a freshman.

Hell if Clyde wanted to be a stickler he could probably still say no one on that list fits his criteria (guard ranked in the 40s or higher and for a blue blood). But even if he gave you the 5 names that at least come close, he’s still pretty right when he says the list isn’t long.

[clyde21]

Yes, I AM saying that he's got all-American talent. It's based on him having a solid (but def needs some work) handle, nice looking jumper, high BBIQ, high motor, above the rim athleticism and being one a willing and well above average defender.

Let's go through the top 10 PG guards just drafted (aka the top 10 guards the prior college season) I'm talking actually next level PG not SGs like Davis, Jalen Williams, Daniels, and Wesley that are listed as PG but really aren't. Here's this supposedly deep group Bronny can't possibly be a part of:

Jaden Ivey
Ty Ty Washington
Andrew Nembhard
Kennedy Chandler
JD Davison
Huge Besson

that's it. The only comparable PGs to Bronny taken in 2022. You can go back each draft class and see how there are actually very few PGs taken and certainly not 10 of them.

In 2021 Cade and Giddey are really Point Forwards so you really just have:

Davion Mitchell
Tre Mann
Bones Hyland
Shariffe Cooper

In 2020 you have:

Melo (Point forward tbh)
Haliburton
Flynn
Pritchard
Terry

How about the top 10 guys for the upcoming 2023 draft (albeit it's early):

Scoot Henderson
Amare Bailey
Terquavian Smith

I think you are vastly overstating how many good PGs there are each college season. For the record, I have him as being close to the type of player that guys like Marcus Smart, Davion Mitchell, Payton Pritchard, Jrue Holiday and Mike Conley are. I

Please enlighten me who you believe will be the 10 PG/combo (not SG) better than Bronny in 2024.

Right now I see Wagner, Dillingham, Foster, and maybe Collier as being clearly better. Could maybe a few be added to this list? Sure. But not enough to knock Bronny out of the top 10.

there is so much wrong with this post

first of all, your list of 'PGs' doesn't make sense. how is Daniels not on this list? he's much more of a PG than a guy like Ivey at this point so I'm not sure why you left him completely off.

second of all, this was a historically weak PG class to begin with.

third of all, you're giving Bronny the benefit of the doubt without actually having to play college ball or g league or whatever...these guys actually had to player higher levels of basketball thus we we were able to see more of their flaws, you can't compare that a guy that has yet to play a single minute of higher level basketball. there is a reason most HS players end up disappointing when they get to college...because, you know, tougher competition. even a lot of the 5*s underwhelm especially as freshmen in college.

fourth of all, Bronny isn't even that good a prospect in his OWN class. he's ranked 45th currently on 247 and the 11th guard in his class...and, again, that's WITH the benefit of being LeBron's son which probably gives him 10-15 spots buffer alone because hype. if his name Joe Smith he'd probably be ranked closer to 65th and this thread wouldn't exist. he might have not even gotten into Sierra Canyon.

ill ask again...can you give us the last G that was ranked in the 40s in his class that ended up starting as a freshmen for a blue blood? i'm sure it's a long list.

Ask and ye shall receive...

admit it, this kinda hurt lol

I'll consider this "debate" over. No need for further embarrassment.

And the point really is that "scouts" are bad at their jobs and fail spectacularly season after season and their rankings/grades are often laughable as is the case with Bronny and proven beyond a shadow of a doubt by the extensive list I've provided. And if you start looking at guys that were ranked in the 20s and therefore laughably graded this list doubles.

lmao - it took a month for you to put this list together and you fail this hard? it's either you didn't understand the question, or you don't know what a blue blood program is, or you can't do math. i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you didn't understand the question.

these are your variables:

- a player ranked in 40s or lower
- blue blood program
- starting as true freshmen

this does not mean Purdue or Iowa or Arizona. this does not mean players ranked 30. this does not mean players who spot start a couple of games b/c of injuries. it means true freshmen players that actually became the STARTERS for their teams.

you should actually thank Duke for doing the work for you since you misunderstood the assignment and decided to gaslight and strawmen instead because you knew you had nothing.

even from Duke's list I would remove Ochai b/c he was actually slated to RS his freshmen season but had it lifted due to injuries to Kansas. and even after he joined the team he wasn't even the starter, he was like the 5th guard in mins too after Vick, Dotson, Grimes and Garrett.

Askew/Herro/SGA were not ranked in the 40s, so miss there again.

so really...your list boils down to 1 name...Holiday, and I wouldn't even qualify UCLA as a blue blood program at this point but cool i'll give you Holiday just because I feel bad for your list it should have at least 1 name on it.

[azcatz11]

Accept whatever NIL you want but don't be surprised if the hammer comes down if you suck. The public has a right to criticize this kid if he doesn't pan out and I don't want to hear any sympathy either about pressure or any of that BS

You hard man you

Sorry if that was harsh