What would you give up for Trae?

[ChuckChilly]

Trae used to get the softest whistle in the league. Is that still going on?

I always find it hilarious how most people on this board are quick to call Trae frail, tiny, and weak, but then say he gets soft calls.

[Catchall]

Trae used to get the softest whistle in the league. Is that still going on?

I always find it hilarious how most people on this board are quick to call Trae frail, tiny, and weak, but then say he gets soft calls.

There's no conflict between Trae being small and also being coddled by the refs. Both are true.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

While I agree with you, the question is, how do we beat teams that are playing 5 two way players in a series like the warriors or Celtics if trae young has to play 40 minutes

Steph Curry and Jordan Poole are now considered Two-Way Players?!?

Insert clip of a reporter calling steph a two way player and steph getting flustered

haha

[sp6r=underrated]

Trae used to get the softest whistle in the league. Is that still going on?

I always find it hilarious how most people on this board are quick to call Trae frail, tiny, and weak, but then say he gets soft calls.

There isn't any contradiction. Trae shouldn't get extra protection just because he physically weak and I say that as someone who doesn't think he gets extra protection. He's just an A+ flopper

[sp6r=underrated]

Trae may not win a championship in the next ten years, but chances are neither will 25 or so other franchises. I think Atlanta will be a contender, top 4-6 seed, multiple times.

Trae is also one of the most fun players in the league to watch. There is plenty of value in that to both a team and a fan base.

I mean if Trae Young ends up being a better version of Damian Lillard, that seems like a pretty good time to be a Hawks fan.

Of course they could also build a team with him that can win a title. It's hard to see it in Atlanta at the moment, but if they could add a lockdown wing next to Murray, and Okongwu develops. I don't know, maybe. You never know what a team is going to look like 2 years from now.

I agree with this take. I'm skeptical of Trae as a true franchise player for title caliber teams but the truth is those guys are extremely hard to get and most franchises go decades between em.

Trae is super fun, will keep fans happy and he can play a major role on good, entertaining clubs. That shouldn't be tossed away

[Hoop Heavy]

Utah offers Lauri Markannen, Colin Sexton, Walker Kessler ... and Danny Ainge ... but no picks

[ChuckChilly]

Trae used to get the softest whistle in the league. Is that still going on?

I always find it hilarious how most people on this board are quick to call Trae frail, tiny, and weak, but then say he gets soft calls.

There isn't any contradiction. Trae shouldn't get extra protection just because he physically weak and I say that as someone who doesn't think he gets extra protection. He's just an A+ flopper

I agree that Trae flops and initiates contact but I do think that he has also turned his weakness or stature into a strength. A foul is a foul, but the stronger or bigger you are, the less likely the refs will call a foul.

[basketballRob]

Trae has MVP potential. Would definitely unload the asset cart if my team was close. A team like Orlando...Trae/Suggs/Franz/Paolo/Carter

so..

Markelle Fultz
Jonathan Isaac
Cole Anthony or Jalen Suggs
Chuma Okeke
2023 1st Unprotected
2023 1st Chicago (1-4 Protected)
2025 1st Unprotected
2027 1st Unprotected
2029 1st Unprotected
2024 1st Pick Swap
2028 1st Pick Swap

No way

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[wadenation305]

A bag of chips and some chewed bubble gum that i got from the bottom side of a desk.

[sp6r=underrated]

I always find it hilarious how most people on this board are quick to call Trae frail, tiny, and weak, but then say he gets soft calls.

There isn't any contradiction. Trae shouldn't get extra protection just because he physically weak and I say that as someone who doesn't think he gets extra protection. He's just an A+ flopper

I agree that Trae flops and initiates contact but I do think that he has also turned his weakness or stature into a strength. A foul is a foul, but the stronger or bigger you are, the less likely the refs will call a foul.

I think it is mainly refs given the benefit to small guys rather than Trae. Opposite of how guys like Shaq or Howard, could just be smashed without a flagarant ever being called. Refs, unfairly, felt that because they were so big they should be able to take it.

Anyway the issue with Trae isn't offense. He's elite there. The dispute is really over how bad he is defensively and how low of a ceiling he places on a team defense. Trae supporters think it can be masked. Trae doubters, and I'm one, think it is just an unsolveable problem that will always make it super hard to build elite teams around him.

Still I'd want him on my team

[wadenation305]

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"Trae said he's hoping to get more calls, that you guys are being too physical"

[Lockdown504090]

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"Trae said he's hoping to get more calls, that you guys are being too physical"

This the problem with foul baiting. In the playoffs guys are breaking your game down, simulating it in practice, popping adderal to focus, and the defenders can even become to one’s who are baiting the offensive player. Is there another game where the playoffs are this different in their preparation for opponents ?

[kg01]

In what universe is this past year's terrible playoff performance the 'evidence', but the prior year's spectacular performance considered the outlier?

The guy faced 3 top defenses that year and did just fine. But we take the poor performance as the 'evidence' just because it matches the narrative I guess.

At best, we don't have enough data to make any definitive determination but, again, we're not interested in having an unbiased conversation here.

[TheAlchemist]

He’s a game breaker.

If your team is amazing on defence and he works to make himself reasonably bad on D, you’re talking about a championship. He’s that damn good on offence.

For the Raptors I can
Imagine Trae with Scottie and Siakam and I Can guarantee a conference finals/finals appearance.

Unfortunately aside from this year he hasn’t worked with elite offensive talent. John Collins is good tho but wouldn’t say elite or a shot creator.

I’d give up Fred Van Vleet + Gary/OG

[sp6r=underrated]

In what universe is this past year's terrible playoff performance the 'evidence', but the prior year's spectacular performance considered the outlier?

The guy faced 3 top defenses that year and did just fine. But we take the poor performance as the 'evidence' just because it matches the narrative I guess.

At best, we don't have enough data to make any definitive determination but, again, we're not interested in having an unbiased conversation here.

I agree with this and go further. The sample size of the post-season is so enormous that it requires almost a decade of significant playoff runs, which few players ever reach, to have a sufficient sample size to evaluate players.

[Ball4life32]

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"Trae said he's hoping to get more calls, that you guys are being too physical"

Jimmy Butler playoffs stats 20/21 season:

14.5 ppg on .297 fg / .267 3pt

Let’s next act like Trae is the first star to have a bad playoff series.

And Trae FT’s went down from 8.7 to 7.3 and he still led the nba in points and assists. (A lot thought his numbers would go down after the rule changes)

[wco81]

Bill Simmons just had a redraft of the 2018 NBA Draft.

Trae still goes high but they said Hawks can't because his usage rate is so high.

Ultimately they believe the Hawks are looking to sign and trade for another max player, to jump up to the top 4 of the EC at least.

[CraftylikeaFox]

Crazy what Trae's foul baiting did to his public perception. Dude went from beloved to one of the most hated/disrespected players in the league.

[epfou1]

There's a deal that can be done with OKC for Giddey, Holmgren and Draft Picks