Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc... 7.0

[shangrila]

Now that Bron has said something about it; we’re getting another week at least of “discourse” and I don’t think this will be the end of it.

Yeah will be really interesting to see how players and coaches react, specifically Paul and Monty. I don't expect them to sit out or anything but won't be shocked if something happens.

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Paul and LeBron already said it is not enough.

Nothing will happen.

As bad as Sarver is he's nowhere close to Sterling. Paul, Lebron and any others that make comments will get their retweets and that will be that.

[Colbinii]

Yeah will be really interesting to see how players and coaches react, specifically Paul and Monty. I don't expect them to sit out or anything but won't be shocked if something happens.

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Paul and LeBron already said it is not enough.

Nothing will happen.

As bad as Sarver is he's nowhere close to Sterling. Paul, Lebron and any others that make comments will get their retweets and that will be that.

First off, you don't need to do something as bad as Sterling to get your team taken away. The fact you are insinuating this is really bizarre.

This also opens up a can of worms for the owners where if they made any comments in the 2000s or 2010s via email it could come back and get them.

Let's be honest, multiple owners have made comments in the past similar to Sarver in some capacity.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Yeah these guys don't want the precedent or the legal fight. They can say Sterling was different because he was an old guy no longer really in charge of his faculties and not really a part of the "club" the way Sarver is.

[165bows]

Paul and LeBron already said it is not enough.

Nothing will happen.

As bad as Sarver is he's nowhere close to Sterling. Paul, Lebron and any others that make comments will get their retweets and that will be that.

First off, you don't need to do something as bad as Sterling to get your team taken away. The fact you are insinuating this is really bizarre.

This also opens up a can of worms for the owners where if they made any comments in the 2000s or 2010s via email it could come back and get them.

Let's be honest, multiple owners have made comments in the past similar to Sarver in some capacity.

Let's be real, LeBron doesn't really care he just sees $$$ signs in a possible sale. You think he vets players that way when he is advocating for guy x, y, or z on a team? Zero chance he is holding players around him to the same standard.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Nothing will happen.

As bad as Sarver is he's nowhere close to Sterling. Paul, Lebron and any others that make comments will get their retweets and that will be that.

First off, you don't need to do something as bad as Sterling to get your team taken away. The fact you are insinuating this is really bizarre.

This also opens up a can of worms for the owners where if they made any comments in the 2000s or 2010s via email it could come back and get them.

Let's be honest, multiple owners have made comments in the past similar to Sarver in some capacity.

Let's be real, LeBron doesn't really care he just sees $$$ signs in a possible sale. You think he vets players that way when he is advocating for guy x, y, or z on a team? Zero chance he is holding players around him to the same standard.

That's... a pretty wild accusation.

[165bows]

First off, you don't need to do something as bad as Sterling to get your team taken away. The fact you are insinuating this is really bizarre.

This also opens up a can of worms for the owners where if they made any comments in the 2000s or 2010s via email it could come back and get them.

Let's be honest, multiple owners have made comments in the past similar to Sarver in some capacity.

Let's be real, LeBron doesn't really care he just sees $$$ signs in a possible sale. You think he vets players that way when he is advocating for guy x, y, or z on a team? Zero chance he is holding players around him to the same standard.

That's... a pretty wild accusation.

You think that's wild? Hmm okay.

[DoItALL9]

The stupidest part of the Sarver thing is he should be near the top of the list of owners to oust, same as Sterling. This was the opportunity. The guy isn't just a racist, misogynistic jerk, he's also a flat our bad and cheap owner. He was bad for the league without this stuff.

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Didn't the NBA suspend Sterling first then start on the process of forcing him out?

IIRC his wife got him declared mentally incompetent and then sold the team on his behalf.

Sterling wasn't actually kicked out by the NBA although I'm sure the league was happy to let that narrative spread to boost PR.

Exactly

Good memory

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[MoneyTalks41890]

Let's be real, LeBron doesn't really care he just sees $$$ signs in a possible sale. You think he vets players that way when he is advocating for guy x, y, or z on a team? Zero chance he is holding players around him to the same standard.

That's... a pretty wild accusation.

You think that's wild? Hmm okay.

Yeah what's your basis for saying that LeBron doesn't care about an owner being racist and misogynistic?

[shrink]

Read on Twitter

I don’t know if anyone else would want to listen, but local Timberwolves podcaster Dane Moore spent the first ten minutes of his show talking about how Jonathan Tjarks took him under his wing as a young podcaster, and their friendship during his last year.

https://www.bluewirepods.com/podcast/the-dane-moore-nba-podcast

[165bows]

That's... a pretty wild accusation.

You think that's wild? Hmm okay.

Yeah what's your basis for saying that LeBron doesn't care about an owner being racist and misogynistic?

Has he ever spoken out about a player's misconduct? You are just going to ignore that I addressed this in my first post or what?

I mean, we can post this stuff all day but it seems wildly clear that LeBron has morality that suits LeBron, rather than some deep underlying moral streak.

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2022/03/19/lebron-james-reaction-browns-trade-deshaun-watson-sexual-misconduct-allegations

[Texas Chuck]

You think that's wild? Hmm okay.

Yeah what's your basis for saying that LeBron doesn't care about an owner being racist and misogynistic?

Has he ever spoken out about a player's misconduct? You are just going to ignore that I addressed this in my first post or what?

I mean, we can post this stuff all day but it seems wildly clear that LeBron has morality that suits LeBron, rather than some deep underlying moral streak.

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2022/03/19/lebron-james-reaction-browns-trade-deshaun-watson-sexual-misconduct-allegations

We all have morality that suits us and try as we do have some inconsistencies. Again, what is unique about Lebron James? Other than some of you just don't like Lebron and go out of your way to find fault with a guy who has been the face of the league for nearly 2 decades and his biggest "mistakes" have been The Decision, Taco Tuesday, and Chinnnnaaaaa.

Seems like the league has gotten a terrific ambassador in Lebron(and Steph).

[165bows]

Yeah what's your basis for saying that LeBron doesn't care about an owner being racist and misogynistic?

Has he ever spoken out about a player's misconduct? You are just going to ignore that I addressed this in my first post or what?

I mean, we can post this stuff all day but it seems wildly clear that LeBron has morality that suits LeBron, rather than some deep underlying moral streak.

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2022/03/19/lebron-james-reaction-browns-trade-deshaun-watson-sexual-misconduct-allegations

We all have morality that suits us and try as we do have some inconsistencies. Again, what is unique about Lebron James? Other than some of you just don't like Lebron and go out of your way to find fault with a guy who has been the face of the league for nearly 2 decades and his biggest "mistakes" have been The Decision, Taco Tuesday, and Chinnnnaaaaa.

Seems like the league has gotten a terrific ambassador in Lebron(and Steph).

Hmm so you don't consider the above link a bigger "mistake" or misjudgement or what have you than The Decision? I'll pass on your categorization of me if that's how you break it down.

[Texas Chuck]

Has he ever spoken out about a player's misconduct? You are just going to ignore that I addressed this in my first post or what?

I mean, we can post this stuff all day but it seems wildly clear that LeBron has morality that suits LeBron, rather than some deep underlying moral streak.

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2022/03/19/lebron-james-reaction-browns-trade-deshaun-watson-sexual-misconduct-allegations

We all have morality that suits us and try as we do have some inconsistencies. Again, what is unique about Lebron James? Other than some of you just don't like Lebron and go out of your way to find fault with a guy who has been the face of the league for nearly 2 decades and his biggest "mistakes" have been The Decision, Taco Tuesday, and Chinnnnaaaaa.

Seems like the league has gotten a terrific ambassador in Lebron(and Steph).

Hmm so you don't consider the above link a bigger "mistake" or misjudgement or what have you than The Decision? I'll pass on your categorization of me if that's how you break it down.

You feel like you can characterize Lebron however you'd like with zero push back, but take offense at me characterizing you?

Now I agree, I shouldn't characterize you and assume you don't like Lebron even though I don't feel like you have established a basis for your criticism here. So I apologize for my assumption. That was wrong on my part, full stop.

[Colbinii]

Nothing will happen.

As bad as Sarver is he's nowhere close to Sterling. Paul, Lebron and any others that make comments will get their retweets and that will be that.

First off, you don't need to do something as bad as Sterling to get your team taken away. The fact you are insinuating this is really bizarre.

This also opens up a can of worms for the owners where if they made any comments in the 2000s or 2010s via email it could come back and get them.

Let's be honest, multiple owners have made comments in the past similar to Sarver in some capacity.

Let's be real, LeBron doesn't really care he just sees $$$ signs in a possible sale. You think he vets players that way when he is advocating for guy x, y, or z on a team? Zero chance he is holding players around him to the same standard.

I'm commenting on the idea what Sarver did and the consequences he was met with weren't equal.

I'm not commenting on LeBrons specific comments or why LeBron is commenting.

[165bows]

We all have morality that suits us and try as we do have some inconsistencies. Again, what is unique about Lebron James? Other than some of you just don't like Lebron and go out of your way to find fault with a guy who has been the face of the league for nearly 2 decades and his biggest "mistakes" have been The Decision, Taco Tuesday, and Chinnnnaaaaa.

Seems like the league has gotten a terrific ambassador in Lebron(and Steph).

Hmm so you don't consider the above link a bigger "mistake" or misjudgement or what have you than The Decision? I'll pass on your categorization of me if that's how you break it down.

You feel like you can characterize Lebron however you'd like with zero push back, but take offense at me characterizing you?

Now I agree, I shouldn't characterize you and assume you don't like Lebron even though I don't feel like you have established a basis for your criticism here. So I apologize for my assumption. That was wrong on my part, full stop.

Well I have characterized him as a hypocrite when it comes to his public moral judgements, and provided support for it. People can disagree and that's fine - but again, my original post asked "has he criticized players/held guys around him to this standard?" Some push back on my post but no one is volunteering support for when he has held players to account.

I'm sure if people look they can find some but there is also plenty on the other end where he has passed on doing what he is saying for the people around him.

[shrink]

There is no place for misogyny, sexism, and racism in any work place. Don’t matter if you own the team or play for the team.

These are LeBron’s words and I agree with him.

But yeah, I have yet to hear him ever speak out against a player for these things.

[Colbinii]

There is no place for misogyny, sexism, and racism in any work place. Don’t matter if you own the team or play for the team.

These are LeBron’s words and I agree with him.

But yeah, I have yet to hear him ever speak out against a player for these things.

And it should be perfectly fine for LeBron to not be forced to speak about other players.

Just because someone speaks out about something doesn't mean they need to speak out about all of the people doing it.

I can say something like "I want teachers to be paid a better wage" without saying "I want everyone to be paid a better wage".

This idea that people are upset for LeBron calling out a specific person [NBA Owner] yet not addressing any of the players [Like Anthony Edwards] is a bit bizarre to me.

[shrink]

There is no place for misogyny, sexism, and racism in any work place. Don’t matter if you own the team or play for the team.

These are LeBron’s words and I agree with him.

But yeah, I have yet to hear him ever speak out against a player for these things.

And it should be perfectly fine for LeBron to not be forced to speak about other players.

Just because someone speaks out about something doesn't mean they need to speak out about all of the people doing it.

I can say something like "I want teachers to be paid a better wage" without saying "I want everyone to be paid a better wage".

This idea that people are upset for LeBron calling out a specific person [NBA Owner] yet not addressing any of the players [Like Anthony Edwards] is a bit bizarre to me.

But LeBron CHOSE to say these words and publicize them, and CHOSE to equate a behavioral standard for both owners and players.

His actions, so far, have only been to condemn one side of the equation. We will see if he lives up to the words he chose.

Incidentally, I doubt LeBron has spent his career in pristine locker rooms, when some NBA players like Durant, Draymond, Edwards and PatBev have literally tweeted anti-gay material.

https://www.outsports.com/homophobia/2022/3/5/22950100/nba-players-gay-homophobic-tweet-fan-lgbtq-playoffs-player-heat-76ers-suns-warriors

[Texas Chuck]

not sure why people don't understand the difference in a governor and a fellow player and how it might impact what Lebron says publicly versus what he says privately. I think there is this misperception that players don't speak in private but air all their business in public when just like anyone else that's far from the case. I'm sure leaders of the NBAPA like Lebron and Paul have had conversations with other players about issues. Just because they don't publicly flog them doesn't make them a hypocrite.

[toooskies]

Paul's reaction is a lot more interesting to me than LeBron's because Sarver owns the team Paul plays for. Especially since Paul was on the team Sterling owned as well. He is as relevant and dialed-in to these specific owner situations as a player can get. As Paul is no longer the president of the NBAPA, his statement is a lot more personal-- with possible consequences down the line, whether that's Paul leading the Suns players in a team protest in some way or Sarver trading Paul because he's made a public statement against him-- than LeBron's, which is just news cycle filler.