When should the Pistons make their Donovan Mitchell type trade.

[tmorgan]

Ivey’s one of those guys you have to hope puts it together from outside… he can take and make tough threes (off the dribble, moving sideways, Curry-esque) but can’t consistently knock down the easier ones. I’m expecting to have a lot of moments of frustration this year.

[FloridaMan78]

mitchell's price was more like three young pieces, depending on what you define a young piece as. markkanen and sexton aren't on rookie contracts but are 24 and 23, respectively. they also got agbaji who is a lottery pick rookie (taken one pick after duren).

at this point we'd have to trade like five players just to match salary with someone like booker, who makes $34 million. ivey, duren, stewart and bey combined make slightly less than markkanen makes. we'd probably have to trade 3 out of those 4 young pieces and then 2 of noel, burks or olynyk as salary filler.

at this point i think our young pieces don't have enough value on their own in trade discussions. them developing would increase their trade value and when they get extensions it'll take less to match salaries. that combined with not being able to trade future picks i'm fairly confident we won't be making any blockbuster trades in the next two off seasons.

The whole premise of a Booker trade, because they traded Ayton mid season and blew it up, is flawed anyway because the Suns can't trade Ayton for at least a year I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) so all this talk is moot anyway.

Also, any trade of Booker would almost certainly cost Ivey I'd think especially since the Pistons can't trade any future 1sts.
Also, I'm not sure that Booker is worth what it would cost to get him because he's so deficient on the defensive end.

Ultimately, I don't think Weaver will make the big splash for a franchise cornerstone player. This is the Pistons core (Cade, Ivey, Bey, Duren, maaaybe Stewart) so I don't see them trading for a franchise player. They have tons of cap space starting next offseason but they need to stash a lot of that aside for the 2nd contracts of their core guys which comes up in 2 years for Bey and Stewart, 3 for Cade so they need to mindful of big spending from elsewhere. The idea of a second star is nice in theory but it'll be tough to execute.
If there's anybody of interest from Phoenix should they blow it up eventually, Bridges is the guy I'd target that would fit here like a glove.

Ayton can be traded by the trade deadline.

My whole hypothetical was that the Pistons would drastically improve this year and make the play in and lose their pick this year to the Knicks allowing them to trade future firsts. Making the trade Ivey and future firsts and salary filler.

[whitehops]

Ivey’s one of those guys you have to hope puts it together from outside… he can take and make tough threes (off the dribble, moving sideways, Curry-esque) but can’t consistently knock down the easier ones. I’m expecting to have a lot of moments of frustration this year.

honestly i'm bracing myself for him to have a jalen suggs-like rookie season offensively. i obviously hope it's better but we'll see, his outside shooting is inconsistent and in college he really had no reliable mid range game to speak of.

i'm sure he'll turn out fine, just that it might be a bumpy road along the way.

[bstein14]

Ivey’s one of those guys you have to hope puts it together from outside… he can take and make tough threes (off the dribble, moving sideways, Curry-esque) but can’t consistently knock down the easier ones. I’m expecting to have a lot of moments of frustration this year.

honestly i'm bracing myself for him to have a jalen suggs-like rookie season offensively. i obviously hope it's better but we'll see, his outside shooting is inconsistent and in college he really had no reliable mid range game to speak of.

i'm sure he'll turn out fine, just that it might be a bumpy road along the way.

The hope is that Ivey ends up playing with 4 other guys that can all space the floor. If Cade, Bey, Stew and either Livers(or Burks) are starting I think that opens up Ivey's inside game quite a bit. Plus, it leaves him wide open on the perimeter more if defenders are less likely to rotate away from one of the other 3 point shooters. So in a sense, Ivey's ease on offense will depend on lot on the other starters taking the scoring pressure off him a bit so he can do what feels natural and not have to try and force anything. I feel like Cade had to try and force things a ton last year because the players around him weren't as capable as you'd like for a top draft pick coming into the league. Hopefully Ivey doesn't have the burden of trying to carry such a load for the team and it helps him be a bit more selective in what he takes to increase the efficiency in what he makes.

[zeebneeb]

Ivey’s one of those guys you have to hope puts it together from outside… he can take and make tough threes (off the dribble, moving sideways, Curry-esque) but can’t consistently knock down the easier ones. I’m expecting to have a lot of moments of frustration this year.

honestly i'm bracing myself for him to have a jalen suggs-like rookie season offensively. i obviously hope it's better but we'll see, his outside shooting is inconsistent and in college he really had no reliable mid range game to speak of.

i'm sure he'll turn out fine, just that it might be a bumpy road along the way.

It is really hard for me to believe that Ivey, who is as unique as they come in terms of speed, power, and charging the basket, is not going to be able to get to the rim, and draw fouls at the very least.

Suggs had an exceptionally bad rookie season, and a different player, with a different everything having the same season, seems almost impossible, and add to the fact that Cade is going to make it so, so easy for him because of how easy he makes the game for everyone.

Orlando was a hot mess at the gaurd position, Detroit is not. There is a clear, and defined role for Ivey from the jump.

I have more concerns about fit, then I ever will of him having that bad of a rookie season.

[whitehops]

Ivey’s one of those guys you have to hope puts it together from outside… he can take and make tough threes (off the dribble, moving sideways, Curry-esque) but can’t consistently knock down the easier ones. I’m expecting to have a lot of moments of frustration this year.

honestly i'm bracing myself for him to have a jalen suggs-like rookie season offensively. i obviously hope it's better but we'll see, his outside shooting is inconsistent and in college he really had no reliable mid range game to speak of.

i'm sure he'll turn out fine, just that it might be a bumpy road along the way.

It is really hard for me to believe that Ivey, who is as unique as they come in terms of speed, power, and charging the basket, is not going to be able to get to the rim, and draw fouls at the very least.

Suggs had an exceptionally bad rookie season, and a different player, with a different everything having the same season, seems almost impossible, and add to the fact that Cade is going to make it so, so easy for him because of how easy he makes the game for everyone.

Orlando was a hot mess at the gaurd position, Detroit is not. There is a clear, and defined role for Ivey from the jump.

I have more concerns about fit, then I ever will of him having that bad of a rookie season.

suggs was a more efficient scorer in college than ivey was, and he was a freshman. westbrook, who is as unique as they come in terms of speed, power, and charging the basket averaged a very inefficient 15 PPG as a rookie and that's despite getting to the free throw line 5 times a game and shooting well from there. westbrook also had durant in his second year beside him so lots of defensive attention taken away from him.

all i'm saying is buckle up for the possibility of a rough rookie season from ivey. i'm not saying anything about his long term potential, just this upcoming season.

[zeebneeb]

honestly i'm bracing myself for him to have a jalen suggs-like rookie season offensively. i obviously hope it's better but we'll see, his outside shooting is inconsistent and in college he really had no reliable mid range game to speak of.

i'm sure he'll turn out fine, just that it might be a bumpy road along the way.

It is really hard for me to believe that Ivey, who is as unique as they come in terms of speed, power, and charging the basket, is not going to be able to get to the rim, and draw fouls at the very least.

Suggs had an exceptionally bad rookie season, and a different player, with a different everything having the same season, seems almost impossible, and add to the fact that Cade is going to make it so, so easy for him because of how easy he makes the game for everyone.

Orlando was a hot mess at the gaurd position, Detroit is not. There is a clear, and defined role for Ivey from the jump.

I have more concerns about fit, then I ever will of him having that bad of a rookie season.

suggs was a more efficient scorer in college than ivey was, and he was a freshman. westbrook, who is as unique as they come in terms of speed, power, and charging the basket averaged a very inefficient 15 PPG as a rookie and that's despite getting to the free throw line 5 times a game and shooting well from there. westbrook also had durant in his second year beside him so lots of defensive attention taken away from him.

all i'm saying is buckle up for the possibility of a rough rookie season from ivey. i'm not saying anything about his long term potential, just this upcoming season.

I never say never, but you have to admit, having Cade, who plays at exactly his own pace, as the floor general for Ivey, is going to make a world of difference for Ivey.

Cade is exceptional at getting the ball to his teammates, in a position to succeed. He is very much like Luka, and I expect him to have a profound effect on Iveys rookie season.

I believe that Cade is going to be firmly considered a top 10 PG in the league next year.

[Manocad]

I would argue that Ivey will be much more valuable than Agbaji, Markkenen and Sexton. At which point you could pick any two of Bagley, Olynyk, Burks, Noel to match salaries.
If we make the play in our pick would go to OKC and we could trade our future firsts. Again, a hypothetical.

he might be, but that all depends on his development. rookies/young players either gain value or lose value very quickly, just look at any of the reclamation projects we've the past few seasons. all of us obviously hope ivey gains value but that's not a certainty by any means.

Which is exactly why you don't trade young players when their value is low because their future is unknown; that's just dumb. I'm not in Weaver's head but if I had to bet money it would be that drafting Ivey was with the intention of him being a core piece moving forward, not a trade asset before his future value is even known.

[NYPiston]

Ayton can be traded by the trade deadline.

My whole hypothetical was that the Pistons would drastically improve this year and make the play in and lose their pick this year to the Knicks allowing them to trade future firsts. Making the trade Ivey and future firsts and salary filler.

Ah, I see that he can be traded by January 15th at the earliest. Thanks for the correction.

If the Pistons drastically improve enough that the pick conveys then I wouldn't mess with a good thing by blowing it up for Booker but it's an interesting proposal, in theory.
I can see Weaver making a splash sometime in the next two years but not a Booker level splash but, of course, a lot can change between now and next offseason to change his course.

[DET_Athletics]

It's all about when the opportunity presents itself and if the pieces fit. A dream scenario is if the golden state warriors are in the middle of the pack near year. Kuminga is having a breakout year and you can't keep him out of the starting 5 and Wiseman goes down again and we are a top 6 team in the east. Would you trade our super bench + 2 first rouners for Draymond and Poole? You would have to take the protection off our 2022. But a lineup of

Cade/ Hayes / Lee
Ivey / Poole / Mcgruder
Bey / Livers / Key
Draymond / Stewart / Knox
Bagley / Duren / whoever

That's a pretty good team in the East. and the right players in the right spots. Draymond can coach up Stewart up on the dribble handoffs; that's with his new shooting ability would put him in the starting 4 for a long time. Plus Draymond would help Bagley and Duren on their defense. Poole could be that microwave shooter off the bench and short leash guy fot Iveys possible growing pains.

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[FloridaMan78]

Crowder on the trading block. Early signs of a blow up? Would be too early for us to get into it, I was thinking more next off season.

[whitehops]

Crowder on the trading block. Early signs of a blow up? Would be too early for us to get into it, I was thinking more next off season.

i think it has more to do with them getting out of the luxury tax. they knew they'd have to go into the tax to bring back ayton and i guess now they're going to plan B to save money.

sarver was just fined $10M, he's definitely not looking to throw money away.

[Invictus88]

Crowder on the trading block. Early signs of a blow up? Would be too early for us to get into it, I was thinking more next off season.

i think it has more to do with them getting out of the luxury tax. they knew they'd have to go into the tax to bring back ayton and i guess now they're going to plan B to save money.

sarver was just fined $10M, he's definitely not looking to throw money away.

+1.

You don't sign Ayton to a max extension and then pivot to blow up the team in the same offseason.

[MotownMadness]

Once we make the playoffs and have rights to our own picks again

[rmfc]

Bojan Bogdanovic for Kelly Olynyk and Saben Lee

[smann7]

Seems like a nice trade for the Pistons

[Manocad]

Seems like a nice trade for the Pistons

Might just be a player to flip at the trade deadline