Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc... 7.0

[Fo-Real]

Let's be real, LeBron doesn't really care he just sees $$$ signs in a possible sale. You think he vets players that way when he is advocating for guy x, y, or z on a team? Zero chance he is holding players around him to the same standard.

That's... a pretty wild accusation.

You think that's wild? Hmm okay.

I agree with you.

[Fo-Real]

Paul's reaction is a lot more interesting to me than LeBron's because Sarver owns the team Paul plays for. Especially since Paul was on the team Sterling owned as well. He is as relevant and dialed-in to these specific owner situations as a player can get. As Paul is no longer the president of the NBAPA, his statement is a lot more personal-- with possible consequences down the line, whether that's Paul leading the Suns players in a team protest in some way or Sarver trading Paul because he's made a public statement against him-- than LeBron's, which is just news cycle filler.

True, could go either way. It seemed like a cookie cutter comment, denouncing such things and not really an attack and going in on Sarver. But at the same time, this might be his chance to cause a ruckus and try to get traded to LA. We will see what happens. WE DO NOT WANT WESTBROOK!!!

[eminence]

Yeah what's your basis for saying that LeBron doesn't care about an owner being racist and misogynistic?

Has he ever spoken out about a player's misconduct? You are just going to ignore that I addressed this in my first post or what?

I mean, we can post this stuff all day but it seems wildly clear that LeBron has morality that suits LeBron, rather than some deep underlying moral streak.

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2022/03/19/lebron-james-reaction-browns-trade-deshaun-watson-sexual-misconduct-allegations

We all have morality that suits us and try as we do have some inconsistencies. Again, what is unique about Lebron James? Other than some of you just don't like Lebron and go out of your way to find fault with a guy who has been the face of the league for nearly 2 decades and his biggest "mistakes" have been The Decision, Taco Tuesday, and Chinnnnaaaaa.

Seems like the league has gotten a terrific ambassador in Lebron(and Steph).

In this particular situation, his strong public support for the Browns bringing in DeShaun Watson would seem to signal that LeBron doesn't really give a hoot about misogyny.

[shrink]

not sure why people don't understand the difference in a governor and a fellow player and how it might impact what Lebron says publicly versus what he says privately. I think there is this misperception that players don't speak in private but air all their business in public when just like anyone else that's far from the case. I'm sure leaders of the NBAPA like Lebron and Paul have had conversations with other players about issues. Just because they don't publicly flog them doesn't make them a hypocrite.

What evidence makes you sure? Or is this just a feeling you hope is true?

It should be also noted that the leaders of the NBAPA didn’t just come down on Sarver - they came down on the Silver and other owners for what they considered lax punishment.

I applaud LeBron for the statement, for pointing out that mysogony, sexism and racism in the workplace is not acceptable for either owners or players. His words are important. But I have only seen him publicly shame one half of this equation, and that doesn’t lead me to be sure he is privately doing it with the other half.

[DoItALL9]

Has he ever spoken out about a player's misconduct? You are just going to ignore that I addressed this in my first post or what?

I mean, we can post this stuff all day but it seems wildly clear that LeBron has morality that suits LeBron, rather than some deep underlying moral streak.

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2022/03/19/lebron-james-reaction-browns-trade-deshaun-watson-sexual-misconduct-allegations

We all have morality that suits us and try as we do have some inconsistencies. Again, what is unique about Lebron James? Other than some of you just don't like Lebron and go out of your way to find fault with a guy who has been the face of the league for nearly 2 decades and his biggest "mistakes" have been The Decision, Taco Tuesday, and Chinnnnaaaaa.

Seems like the league has gotten a terrific ambassador in Lebron(and Steph).

Hmm so you don't consider the above link a bigger "mistake" or misjudgement or what have you than The Decision? I'll pass on your categorization of me if that's how you break it down.

This seems to be traveling in an All Lives Matter path

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[Texas Chuck]

not sure why people don't understand the difference in a governor and a fellow player and how it might impact what Lebron says publicly versus what he says privately. I think there is this misperception that players don't speak in private but air all their business in public when just like anyone else that's far from the case. I'm sure leaders of the NBAPA like Lebron and Paul have had conversations with other players about issues. Just because they don't publicly flog them doesn't make them a hypocrite.

What evidence makes you sure? Or is this just a feeling you hope is true?

You know I have no evidence. I'm applying Occam's Razor here like I do with any number of situations. It just makes way more sense to me that Lebron is talking with other players about all kinds of issues than he isn't.

[Texas Chuck]

Has he ever spoken out about a player's misconduct? You are just going to ignore that I addressed this in my first post or what?

I mean, we can post this stuff all day but it seems wildly clear that LeBron has morality that suits LeBron, rather than some deep underlying moral streak.

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2022/03/19/lebron-james-reaction-browns-trade-deshaun-watson-sexual-misconduct-allegations

We all have morality that suits us and try as we do have some inconsistencies. Again, what is unique about Lebron James? Other than some of you just don't like Lebron and go out of your way to find fault with a guy who has been the face of the league for nearly 2 decades and his biggest "mistakes" have been The Decision, Taco Tuesday, and Chinnnnaaaaa.

Seems like the league has gotten a terrific ambassador in Lebron(and Steph).

In this particular situation, his strong public support for the Browns bringing in DeShaun Watson would seem to signal that LeBron doesn't really give a hoot about misogyny.

Does it? Do you think there are other fans of the Browns who just wanted a good quarterback? Don't we all do this from time to time? Do we vet every moral choice of every musician we listen to? Or of every action taken by every player on every team we root for?

As I said to start, we all have inconsistencies. We are humans. None of us are perfect. Which includes Lebron, but not especially Lebron either.

[psman2]

not sure why people don't understand the difference in a governor and a fellow player and how it might impact what Lebron says publicly versus what he says privately. I think there is this misperception that players don't speak in private but air all their business in public when just like anyone else that's far from the case. I'm sure leaders of the NBAPA like Lebron and Paul have had conversations with other players about issues. Just because they don't publicly flog them doesn't make them a hypocrite.

What evidence makes you sure? Or is this just a feeling you hope is true?

You know I have no evidence. I'm applying Occam's Razor here like I do with any number of situations. It just makes way more sense to me that Lebron is talking with other players about all kinds of issues than he isn't.

Maybe players on his own team, but my Occam's Razor pov has me thinking Lebron is not going out of his way to talk to players on other teams about their "incidents"

[Texas Chuck]

What evidence makes you sure? Or is this just a feeling you hope is true?

You know I have no evidence. I'm applying Occam's Razor here like I do with any number of situations. It just makes way more sense to me that Lebron is talking with other players about all kinds of issues than he isn't.

Maybe players on his own team, but my Occam's Razor pov has me thinking Lebron is not going out of his way to talk to players on other teams about their "incidents"

I don't know for sure. But could I see Lebron texting Ant after his incident? Of course. Doesn't mean he did. Or Lebron when a guy rolls through town pulling them aside and giving them some advice? Of course. Doesn't mean he did.

When they have NBAPA meetings do I think Lebron addresses specific guys from time to time? Yes, but maybe he doesn't. But I feel confident these guys talk when we aren't privy to it.

Obviously others can have a different assumption, but that is mine. Either way its sucks that Sarver is the bad guy here but once again its been turned on Lebron. SMH.

[shrink]

not sure why people don't understand the difference in a governor and a fellow player and how it might impact what Lebron says publicly versus what he says privately. I think there is this misperception that players don't speak in private but air all their business in public when just like anyone else that's far from the case. I'm sure leaders of the NBAPA like Lebron and Paul have had conversations with other players about issues. Just because they don't publicly flog them doesn't make them a hypocrite.

What evidence makes you sure? Or is this just a feeling you hope is true?

You know I have no evidence. I'm applying Occam's Razor here like I do with any number of situations. It just makes way more sense to me that Lebron is talking with other players about all kinds of issues than he isn't.

But why? Occam’s Razor is not just, “that’s what I’d like to think,” it’s the simplest answer.

If we take LeBron at his word (and I do) he is against this workplace behavior from owners and players. If you believe there are reasons to talk to players privately, there are reasons to talk to owners privately as well. LeBron chose to publicly come down on the owner and NBA management for this. He’s stressing equality of responsibility, but you assume inequality of his response, and I don’t understand that.

[MoneyTalks41890]

What evidence makes you sure? Or is this just a feeling you hope is true?

You know I have no evidence. I'm applying Occam's Razor here like I do with any number of situations. It just makes way more sense to me that Lebron is talking with other players about all kinds of issues than he isn't.

But why? Occam’s Razor is not just, “that’s what I’d like to think,” it’s the simplest answer.

If we take LeBron at his word (and I do) he is against this workplace behavior from owners and players. If you believe there are reasons to talk to players privately, there are reasons to talk to owners privately as well. LeBron chose to publicly come down on the owner and NBA management for this. He’s stressing equality of responsibility, but you assume inequality of his response, and I don’t understand that.

Well there's a 40 page report here prepared by an independent firm as the result of tons of interviews and digging. And then the NBA acted on that report. It would be odd for LeBron to not comment on that, to be honest. He's still the face of the NBA. I mean you have to understand how this is different in a number of ways than conduct by an individual player in an isolated incident off the court?

[eminence]

We all have morality that suits us and try as we do have some inconsistencies. Again, what is unique about Lebron James? Other than some of you just don't like Lebron and go out of your way to find fault with a guy who has been the face of the league for nearly 2 decades and his biggest "mistakes" have been The Decision, Taco Tuesday, and Chinnnnaaaaa.

Seems like the league has gotten a terrific ambassador in Lebron(and Steph).

In this particular situation, his strong public support for the Browns bringing in DeShaun Watson would seem to signal that LeBron doesn't really give a hoot about misogyny.

Does it? Do you think there are other fans of the Browns who just wanted a good quarterback? Don't we all do this from time to time? Do we vet every moral choice of every musician we listen to? Or of every action taken by every player on every team we root for?

As I said to start, we all have inconsistencies. We are humans. None of us are perfect. Which includes Lebron, but not especially Lebron either.

No, I don't think I've ever knowingly cheered for a sexual predator because they're good at sports and on my team. When I find out that sort of thing (happens far too often unfortunately) I tend to stop cheering for that player and possibly organization depending on how they handle it.

Do I vet everything I consume, obviously not, it's impossible, simply not enough time in the day. But that's not the situation, because there's zero chance LeBron wasn't aware of what Watson has done.

[Knicks365247]

I thought LeBron was a Cowboys fan.

[Texas Chuck]

What evidence makes you sure? Or is this just a feeling you hope is true?

You know I have no evidence. I'm applying Occam's Razor here like I do with any number of situations. It just makes way more sense to me that Lebron is talking with other players about all kinds of issues than he isn't.

But why? Occam’s Razor is not just, “that’s what I’d like to think,” it’s the simplest answer.

If we take LeBron at his word (and I do) he is against this workplace behavior from owners and players. If you believe there are reasons to talk to players privately, there are reasons to talk to owners privately as well. LeBron chose to publicly come down on the owner and NBA management for this. He’s stressing equality of responsibility, but you assume inequality of his response, and I don’t understand that.

Thanks for explaining the Razor to me.....

I just think Lebron rightfully sees himself as a leader among the players, but not a leader of the governors, no? I guess I just fundamentally disagree he should handle those different groups the same way. Just as I would speak differently to my aunt about her actions versus how I would speak with my daughter. These differing relationships should shape his response imo.

[Texas Chuck]

In this particular situation, his strong public support for the Browns bringing in DeShaun Watson would seem to signal that LeBron doesn't really give a hoot about misogyny.

Does it? Do you think there are other fans of the Browns who just wanted a good quarterback? Don't we all do this from time to time? Do we vet every moral choice of every musician we listen to? Or of every action taken by every player on every team we root for?

As I said to start, we all have inconsistencies. We are humans. None of us are perfect. Which includes Lebron, but not especially Lebron either.

No, I don't think I've ever knowingly cheered for a sexual predator because they're good at sports and on my team. When I find out that sort of thing (happens far too often unfortunately) I tend to stop cheering for that player and possibly organization depending on how they handle it.

Do I vet everything I consume, obviously not, it's impossible, simply not enough time in the day. But that's not the situation, because there's zero chance LeBron wasn't aware of what Watson has done.

I didn't ask what you specifically do. I asked what we collectively do. And I think collectively we aren't as diligent as you about making sure we don't consume entertainment from "bad guys". Whether its because we put our pleasure first, or we believe in grace, or we are ignorant or whatever.

I'm not trying to defend Lebron's choices here. He's a grown man. I just disagree with this public flogging he's taking for doing so. If he didn't say anything, he'd be criticized for that too and you know that's true. Again, not speaking about you specifically to be clear.

[shrink]

You know I have no evidence. I'm applying Occam's Razor here like I do with any number of situations. It just makes way more sense to me that Lebron is talking with other players about all kinds of issues than he isn't.

But why? Occam’s Razor is not just, “that’s what I’d like to think,” it’s the simplest answer.

If we take LeBron at his word (and I do) he is against this workplace behavior from owners and players. If you believe there are reasons to talk to players privately, there are reasons to talk to owners privately as well. LeBron chose to publicly come down on the owner and NBA management for this. He’s stressing equality of responsibility, but you assume inequality of his response, and I don’t understand that.

Well there's a 40 page report here prepared by an independent firm as the result of tons of interviews and digging. And then the NBA acted on that report. It would be odd for LeBron to not comment on that, to be honest. He's still the face of the NBA. I mean you have to understand how this is different in a number of ways than conduct by an individual player in an isolated incident off the court?

I get your point, and I wasn’t surprised that he commented, but he chose to make more than a comment - he told the NBA owners that they got the punishment wrong - that it wasn’t harsh enough. That’s cool .. but I haven’t seen any indication in his whole career that he’s ever even talked about a slap on the wrist for a player’s actions.

The other question this brings up is .. why? (why would he do that?). I believe LeBron and his media team are exceptional at maintaining his presence, and every word in these tweets that has been thoroughly vetted. I expected maybe a comment from him or the NBA, but I was surprised that he publicly disagreed with them on the punishment, and surprised he equated workplace behavior between owners and players. He didn’t have to do either (and I’m sure his media staff told him so), but he CHOSE to. We may never know his actual reasons, and a cynic might say he just wanted to improve his image as a businessman. However, inserting the players makes me like to think that this is an issue that matters to him, and that as the El Jefe of the NBA, he’s giving players a general warning to clean up their act too to avoid any image of hypocrisy.

[Fo-Real]

not sure why people don't understand the difference in a governor and a fellow player and how it might impact what Lebron says publicly versus what he says privately. I think there is this misperception that players don't speak in private but air all their business in public when just like anyone else that's far from the case. I'm sure leaders of the NBAPA like Lebron and Paul have had conversations with other players about issues. Just because they don't publicly flog them doesn't make them a hypocrite.

What evidence makes you sure? Or is this just a feeling you hope is true?

You know I have no evidence. I'm applying Occam's Razor here like I do with any number of situations. It just makes way more sense to me that Lebron is talking with other players about all kinds of issues than he isn't.

During the bubble, I seem to remember a lot of players having some problem with Lebron and his thinking.

[Texas Chuck]

What evidence makes you sure? Or is this just a feeling you hope is true?

You know I have no evidence. I'm applying Occam's Razor here like I do with any number of situations. It just makes way more sense to me that Lebron is talking with other players about all kinds of issues than he isn't.

During the bubble, I seem to remember a lot of players having some problem with Lebron and his thinking.

I'm sure this is true. Doesn't mean he isn't without a ton of influence among the league's players. But nobody is liked by everyone. Nobody agrees with every position of someone else.

Take loserX, he is my role model as a Mod, but he likes polls. Polls? I mean polls?

[Fo-Real]

Oops

[HartfordWhalers]

Damn, remember past years when this thread was all about which player put on 40 pounds of muscle?