Stephen Curry admitted the Warriors explored a trade for Kevin Durant

[rtiff68]

https://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/106613/iggy-makes-lebrons-shooting-iffy



If ANYONE deserved FMVP other than Iguodala, it was LeBron.

There's a reason LeBron (losing team, btw) had 4 votes, and Curry had none. Only Curry stans seem to not get that...

Stop it, and come to your senses.

Who was the Warriors best player in that series? Who lead the team in points by over 10, assists, and averaged over 5 rebounds per game from the PG spot?

Look at the entire history of the NBA and find a scenario that is similar…

…and no, ultimately, I don’t put that much stock into the opinion of Rachel Nichols and 10 other MEDIA members that participated in that vote— the apex of a small sample size paired with an unreliable authority.

Use your brain: you’re arguing like Stephen A. Smith

Use your brain bubba, there is already precedent for a losing team player winning FMVP, and if there was any series that that should have happened in again, it was 2015.

There were two possible FMVPs that series: Iggy, LeBron. Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but Curry finally got his FMVP this year.

It doesn’t hurt my feelings at all! I’m glad Andre won— it was the ultimate reward for a guy who sacrificed his starting spot and numbers for the good of the team (Barnes was an inferior player in a vacuum but a much better player playing off of the starters).

…that doesn’t mean that it made any sense at all, lol. And it’s especially funny when people like you use silly outliers lie this to try to push a narrative.

Steph Curry was easily the Warriors best and most important player during the 2015 Finals. Period.

Cubbies2120, Rachel Nichols, some RealGM posters (who really only care about LeBron), and 4-5ish other media members (out of 11 total) voted otherwise at that point. Good for you, but it doesn’t change what I just wrote…

Steph Curry was easily the Warriors best and most important player during the 2015 Finals. Period.

[Cubbies2120]

Stop it, and come to your senses.

Who was the Warriors best player in that series? Who lead the team in points by over 10, assists, and averaged over 5 rebounds per game from the PG spot?

Look at the entire history of the NBA and find a scenario that is similar…

…and no, ultimately, I don’t put that much stock into the opinion of Rachel Nichols and 10 other MEDIA members that participated in that vote— the apex of a small sample size paired with an unreliable authority.

Use your brain: you’re arguing like Stephen A. Smith

Use your brain bubba, there is already precedent for a losing team player winning FMVP, and if there was any series that that should have happened in again, it was 2015.

There were two possible FMVPs that series: Iggy, LeBron. Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but Curry finally got his FMVP this year.

It doesn’t hurt my feelings at all! I’m glad Andre won— it was the ultimate reward for a guy who sacrificed his starting spot and numbers for the good of the team (Barnes was an inferior player in a vacuum but a much better player playing off of the starters).

…that doesn’t mean that it made any sense at all, lol. And it’s especially funny when people like you use silly outliers lie this to try to push a narrative.

Steph Curry was easily the Warriors best and most important player during the 2015 Finals. Period.

Cubbies2120, Rachel Nichols, some RealGM posters (who really only care about LeBron), and 4-5ish other media members (out of 11 total) voted otherwise at that point. Good for you, but it doesn’t change what I just wrote…

Steph Curry was easily the Warriors best and most important player during the 2015 Finals. Period.

On offense, sure. And if Iggy only averaged 10ppg on average shooting, maybe LeBron wins FMVP on the losing team. But since he was the 2nd leading scorer on the team, and BY FAR the most significant defender in the entire series as evidenced by the link I posted earlier, it only makes sense he won FMVP if it wasn't going to LeBron.

Two sides to basketball and thankfully people recognized that.

Without Iggy effectively shutting down LeBron on possessions they matched up, we're looking at a Cavs ring without Kyrie/Love...which would have killed Curry's legacy tbh.

[Impuniti]

Lebron had one of the worst shooting performances in NBA finals history in 2015. 47% TS with 37 points on 34 shots all while being defended on single-coverage unlike.. the other superstar in the other team who had better teammates. The idea that Lebron deserved the FMVP is asinine. This would have normally been a 5 game beatdown had Steph not been genuinely terrible in game 2.

[rtiff68]

Use your brain bubba, there is already precedent for a losing team player winning FMVP, and if there was any series that that should have happened in again, it was 2015.

There were two possible FMVPs that series: Iggy, LeBron. Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but Curry finally got his FMVP this year.

It doesn’t hurt my feelings at all! I’m glad Andre won— it was the ultimate reward for a guy who sacrificed his starting spot and numbers for the good of the team (Barnes was an inferior player in a vacuum but a much better player playing off of the starters).

…that doesn’t mean that it made any sense at all, lol. And it’s especially funny when people like you use silly outliers lie this to try to push a narrative.

Steph Curry was easily the Warriors best and most important player during the 2015 Finals. Period.

Cubbies2120, Rachel Nichols, some RealGM posters (who really only care about LeBron), and 4-5ish other media members (out of 11 total) voted otherwise at that point. Good for you, but it doesn’t change what I just wrote…

Steph Curry was easily the Warriors best and most important player during the 2015 Finals. Period.

On offense, sure. And if Iggy only averaged 10ppg on average shooting, maybe LeBron wins FMVP on the losing team. But since he was the 2nd leading scorer on the team, and BY FAR the most significant defender in the entire series as evidenced by the link I posted earlier, it only makes sense he won FMVP if it wasn't going to LeBron.

Two sides to basketball and thankfully people recognized that.

Without Iggy effectively shutting down LeBron on possessions they matched up, we're looking at a Cavs ring without Kyrie/Love...which would have killed Curry's legacy tbh.

Iggy “shut effectively shut down LeBron,” who received the most FMVP votes (the very thing you’re hanging your take on) on a losing team since Jerry West, and he was “shut down?”

Does that really make sense to you? Stop trying to win an argument with a stranger online (me) for a moment and actually think, man!

“…Iggy was the 2nd leading scorer!”

Technically, he was. Check the numbers again, then compare them to every other Finals before or since. You won’t find a bigger proponent of defense then me, but in that series, if you claim Iguodala was equal to Curry, you’re an idiot or you have an agenda.

It’s simple. Want to dive deeper and look dumber?

[ShootersShoot]

https://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/106613/iggy-makes-lebrons-shooting-iffy



If ANYONE deserved FMVP other than Iguodala, it was LeBron.

There's a reason LeBron (losing team, btw) had 4 votes, and Curry had none. Only Curry stans seem to not get that...

Stop it, and come to your senses.

Who was the Warriors best player in that series? Who lead the team in points by over 10, assists, and averaged over 5 rebounds per game from the PG spot?

Look at the entire history of the NBA and find a scenario that is similar…

…and no, ultimately, I don’t put that much stock into the opinion of Rachel Nichols and 10 other MEDIA members that participated in that vote— the apex of a small sample size paired with an unreliable authority.

Use your brain: you’re arguing like Stephen A. Smith

Use your brain bubba, there is already precedent for a losing team player winning FMVP, and if there was any series that that should have happened in again, it was 2015.

There were two possible FMVPs that series: Iggy, LeBron. Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but Curry finally got his FMVP this year.

Also, funny how 9.7 points = OVER 10 according to you.

Let's not forget that the 2nd leading scorer on the Warriors that year was Iggy, who had a better TS% than Curry despite his 38% FT shooting...

16/6/4/1 on 52% and 40% 3pt shooting, while holding a guy who many have as top 3 GOAT to 24% shooting on shots contested by him? Are we completely ignoring defense (I know Curry fans love to do that)?

Iguodala had .03% better TS than curry but 9.7 less points. Scoring 9.7 points more than someone is a huge discrepancy whereas .03% TS is negligible.

Defensively, let's not pretend that iguodala was the only guy guarding bron. The warriors threw everything to try and stop him.

I find it funny how you think the guy guarding bron deserved fmvp, but at the same time thinking bron deserved the fmvp.
Iguodala fmvp was deserved but to think steph didnt deserve a ton of credit, and arguably even more than iguodala is pure idiocy.

[rtiff68]

Stop it, and come to your senses.

Who was the Warriors best player in that series? Who lead the team in points by over 10, assists, and averaged over 5 rebounds per game from the PG spot?

Look at the entire history of the NBA and find a scenario that is similar…

…and no, ultimately, I don’t put that much stock into the opinion of Rachel Nichols and 10 other MEDIA members that participated in that vote— the apex of a small sample size paired with an unreliable authority.

Use your brain: you’re arguing like Stephen A. Smith

Use your brain bubba, there is already precedent for a losing team player winning FMVP, and if there was any series that that should have happened in again, it was 2015.

There were two possible FMVPs that series: Iggy, LeBron. Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but Curry finally got his FMVP this year.

Also, funny how 9.7 points = OVER 10 according to you.

Let's not forget that the 2nd leading scorer on the Warriors that year was Iggy, who had a better TS% than Curry despite his 38% FT shooting...

16/6/4/1 on 52% and 40% 3pt shooting, while holding a guy who many have as top 3 GOAT to 24% shooting on shots contested by him? Are we completely ignoring defense (I know Curry fans love to do that)?

Iguodala had .03% better TS than curry but 9.7 less points. Scoring 9.7 points more than someone is a huge discrepancy whereas .03% TS is negligible.

Defensively, let's not pretend that iguodala was the only guy guarding bron. The warriors threw everything to try and stop him.

I find it funny how you think the guy guarding bron deserved fmvp, but at the same time thinking bron deserved the fmvp.
Iguodala fmvp was deserved but to think steph didnt deserve a ton of credit, and arguably even more than iguodala is pure idiocy.

He doesn’t care about logic, he’s pushing a narrative

[ShootersShoot]

Use your brain bubba, there is already precedent for a losing team player winning FMVP, and if there was any series that that should have happened in again, it was 2015.

There were two possible FMVPs that series: Iggy, LeBron. Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but Curry finally got his FMVP this year.

Also, funny how 9.7 points = OVER 10 according to you.

Let's not forget that the 2nd leading scorer on the Warriors that year was Iggy, who had a better TS% than Curry despite his 38% FT shooting...

16/6/4/1 on 52% and 40% 3pt shooting, while holding a guy who many have as top 3 GOAT to 24% shooting on shots contested by him? Are we completely ignoring defense (I know Curry fans love to do that)?

Iguodala had .03% better TS than curry but 9.7 less points. Scoring 9.7 points more than someone is a huge discrepancy whereas .03% TS is negligible.

Defensively, let's not pretend that iguodala was the only guy guarding bron. The warriors threw everything to try and stop him.

I find it funny how you think the guy guarding bron deserved fmvp, but at the same time thinking bron deserved the fmvp.
Iguodala fmvp was deserved but to think steph didnt deserve a ton of credit, and arguably even more than iguodala is pure idiocy.

He doesn’t care about logic, he’s pushing a narrative

Like if Iggy's defense on bron was so impressive, how come bron deserved fmvp as well? Just illogical thinking there.

[Jcity08]

Im glad it didnt happen a second time. I like going into a season, with some idea who's going to win it all, not a guarantee.

[rtiff68]

Iguodala had .03% better TS than curry but 9.7 less points. Scoring 9.7 points more than someone is a huge discrepancy whereas .03% TS is negligible.

Defensively, let's not pretend that iguodala was the only guy guarding bron. The warriors threw everything to try and stop him.

I find it funny how you think the guy guarding bron deserved fmvp, but at the same time thinking bron deserved the fmvp.
Iguodala fmvp was deserved but to think steph didnt deserve a ton of credit, and arguably even more than iguodala is pure idiocy.

He doesn’t care about logic, he’s pushing a narrative

Like if Iggy's defense on bron was so impressive, how come bron deserved fmvp as well? Just illogical thinking there.

…and who has ever won FMVP for defense?

It isn’t about who we think should win the award, it’s how the award has traditionally been handed out.

[ShootersShoot]

He doesn’t care about logic, he’s pushing a narrative

Like if Iggy's defense on bron was so impressive, how come bron deserved fmvp as well? Just illogical thinking there.

…and who has ever won FMVP for defense?

It isn’t about who we think should win the award, it’s how the award has traditionally been handed out.

Yea, Dirk won the fmvp in 2011 averaging the same amount of points as steph did in 2015 but with a 53.7% TS. Shouldnt the guy holding bron to 18ppg have won the fmvp? Not really...and also defense on superstars is a team schematic most of the time. I'm sure iguodala was getting help from all over the place, especially with the little help bron had to work with..

[Zetsword]

Steph answer is full of it. He doesn't want KD back. Lol.

As usual just saying the least offensive answer, going through the motions and keeping everyone happy on all sides by not rocking the boat.

Wouldn't the ultimate non-answer be "I enjoyed playing with KD, but I'd rather stick with my team, I believe in this squad". With the answer he gave there's still the possibility of not believing in his teammates or the squad as constructed.

[WarriorGM]

Andre got that finals MVP though

He sure did, and I’m happy for him! It was cool to see him get rewarded for accepting a 6th man role because Barnes was far more effective playing off of the starters than he was as a 6th man. It was an ultimate “sacrifice for the team” move.

I’m happy he got it…but him getting it was still goofy as hell objectively speaking, if we’re looking at how the award has traditionally been handed out.

The only people who hold “not getting the 2015 FMVP” against Curry in legacy discussions are idiots, trolls, people that don’t understand basketball, and people with very specific agendas.

Which one are you? lol

https://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/106613/iggy-makes-lebrons-shooting-iffy

When James has been able to shake free, he’s been great. On uncontested looks when guarded by Iguodala, James is shooting 88 percent. The problem for James is Iguodala isn’t letting him get free often.

Of James' 54 shots when guarded by Iguodala, eight have been uncontested. Although James is 7-of-8 on open looks when guarded by Iguodala, he is 11-of-46 on contested shots when guarded by Iguodala.

If ANYONE deserved FMVP other than Iguodala, it was LeBron.

There's a reason LeBron (losing team, btw) had 4 votes, and Curry had none. Only Curry stans seem to not get that...

Oh yes the reason Curry had no reported votes:

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Did Iguodala deserve the 2015 FMVP? Sure! Its voters determine who gets the award. If they selected Iguodala ipso facto he deserved it. But by doing so they also opened the door to cheapening the award as happens each time this kind of discussion is brought up.

Curry could have zero FMVPs. It does not matter. He is the most important player on the Warriors and their winning. KD was given two FMVPs. If anyone wants to argue KD is the better player because of that go ahead. Curry's two extra rings weigh far more heavily.

[Cubbies2120]

It doesn’t hurt my feelings at all! I’m glad Andre won— it was the ultimate reward for a guy who sacrificed his starting spot and numbers for the good of the team (Barnes was an inferior player in a vacuum but a much better player playing off of the starters).

…that doesn’t mean that it made any sense at all, lol. And it’s especially funny when people like you use silly outliers lie this to try to push a narrative.

Steph Curry was easily the Warriors best and most important player during the 2015 Finals. Period.

Cubbies2120, Rachel Nichols, some RealGM posters (who really only care about LeBron), and 4-5ish other media members (out of 11 total) voted otherwise at that point. Good for you, but it doesn’t change what I just wrote…

Steph Curry was easily the Warriors best and most important player during the 2015 Finals. Period.

On offense, sure. And if Iggy only averaged 10ppg on average shooting, maybe LeBron wins FMVP on the losing team. But since he was the 2nd leading scorer on the team, and BY FAR the most significant defender in the entire series as evidenced by the link I posted earlier, it only makes sense he won FMVP if it wasn't going to LeBron.

Two sides to basketball and thankfully people recognized that.

Without Iggy effectively shutting down LeBron on possessions they matched up, we're looking at a Cavs ring without Kyrie/Love...which would have killed Curry's legacy tbh.

Iggy “shut effectively shut down LeBron,” who received the most FMVP votes (the very thing you’re hanging your take on) on a losing team since Jerry West, and he was “shut down?”

Does that really make sense to you? Stop trying to win an argument with a stranger online (me) for a moment and actually think, man!

“…Iggy was the 2nd leading scorer!”

Technically, he was. Check the numbers again, then compare them to every other Finals before or since. You won’t find a bigger proponent of defense then me, but in that series, if you claim Iguodala was equal to Curry, you’re an idiot or you have an agenda.

It’s simple. Want to dive deeper and look dumber?

You know two things can be true, right? Did you even read the ESPN article, or the quote that I posted?

Is Iggy responsible for what LeBron does when he's not matched up with him, ex. PNR plays?

When Iggy was contesting LeBron's shots, he went 24% from them. He shot around 33% for the series with Iggy on him. Now, anyone with IQ > room water knows that an NBA team will try to do anything they can to get the best defender off their superstar, right? And that one player will not guard another for 100% of the game, right?

I'm literally posting facts and you're telling me to "stop trying to win an argument with a stranger"...sorry if facts bother you bubba.

Also LOL @ you for cutting off my quote before the key part of the quote..."ON POSSESSIONS THEY MATCHED UP". That's the sign of a person taking an L in an argument - when they start omitting key parts of your argument to weaken it.

[Cubbies2120]

Iguodala had .03% better TS than curry but 9.7 less points. Scoring 9.7 points more than someone is a huge discrepancy whereas .03% TS is negligible.

Defensively, let's not pretend that iguodala was the only guy guarding bron. The warriors threw everything to try and stop him.

I find it funny how you think the guy guarding bron deserved fmvp, but at the same time thinking bron deserved the fmvp.
Iguodala fmvp was deserved but to think steph didnt deserve a ton of credit, and arguably even more than iguodala is pure idiocy.

He doesn’t care about logic, he’s pushing a narrative

Like if Iggy's defense on bron was so impressive, how come bron deserved fmvp as well? Just illogical thinking there.

Are you guys purposely being dense or...?

You guys realize it's pretty much impossible for a defender to stay on 1 superstar all game, right? That pick and rolls exist, that teams target poor defenders (remember Rockets hunting Curry?) instead of good defenders? Y'all know that right?

Y'all know that there's advanced player tracking that shows how incredible Iggy did on LeBron when he was guarding him? While also being the 2nd leading scorer on offense?

[Warriorfan]

Curry's going to be in the playoffs and likely going deep into them as long as he's healthy and cares to keep playing.

Curry maybe could, but can his teammates keep up with him? When he wasn't surrounded by several potential all-stars he missed playoffs twice in a row. Thompson didn't look too hot and if Wiggings can keep up this level is anyone's guess and I don't think even you have much of faith in Mr. Triple Single performing on acceptable level for years to come.

What we know about Curry is he is all time great taking team over the hump but we haven't seen him being able to carry sub bar teams.

He played 5 games one of those years, and the other year they were starting Wiseman, whom they were attempting to hothouse because they thought this was their only chance, and Oubre.

Sure he can’t carry a team to the finals on his own, hardly anyone can, but on the balance of probabilities he likely won’t have to do so. If the young players don’t develop this might be only for a year or two, but there is no reason why Thompson at least won’t be better than last season, he was looking that way by the end of the finals. Mr Triple Single is actually vital, particularly to defence and to Wiggins’ contribution to same. so they will have to load manage him, and it will be tough for the new FAs to contribute as much as last season’s.

It is funny btw how all stars keep appearing next to Curry.

Wiggins and Poole young enough to get better.

Thompson might be better 2 off seasons after rehab

Kuminga, Moody and Wiseman are 3 lotto picks by a team that has drafted well past decade that hardly played
So Champs will in essence be adding 3 lotto picks how often does that happen

[minami]

I can´t stand Curry personally, but have no problem to admit he has been the best basketball player on earth for some years already. Durant is a 'fail' in comparison - for all his potential, and somehow we all know it.

[rtiff68]

He doesn’t care about logic, he’s pushing a narrative

Like if Iggy's defense on bron was so impressive, how come bron deserved fmvp as well? Just illogical thinking there.

Are you guys purposely being dense or...?

You guys realize it's pretty much impossible for a defender to stay on 1 superstar all game, right? That pick and rolls exist, that teams target poor defenders (remember Rockets hunting Curry?) instead of good defenders? Y'all know that right?

Y'all know that there's advanced player tracking that shows how incredible Iggy did on LeBron when he was guarding him? While also being the 2nd leading scorer on offense?

Yes, I realize all of that and that those things exist.

You also realize that you’re claiming that Andre Iguodala was as impactful— in totality— as Stephen Curry was in the 2015 NBA Finals, right?

Seriously. You believe that Andre Iguodala was as important to the 2015 Warriors as Stephen Curry was in the NBA Finals, all things considered.

Think about what I just wrote before responding.

[Cubbies2120]

Like if Iggy's defense on bron was so impressive, how come bron deserved fmvp as well? Just illogical thinking there.

Are you guys purposely being dense or...?

You guys realize it's pretty much impossible for a defender to stay on 1 superstar all game, right? That pick and rolls exist, that teams target poor defenders (remember Rockets hunting Curry?) instead of good defenders? Y'all know that right?

Y'all know that there's advanced player tracking that shows how incredible Iggy did on LeBron when he was guarding him? While also being the 2nd leading scorer on offense?

Yes, I realize all of that and that those things exist.

You also realize that you’re claiming that Andre Iguodala was as impactful— in totality— as Stephen Curry was in the 2015 NBA Finals, right?

Seriously. You believe that Andre Iguodala was as important to the 2015 Warriors as Stephen Curry was in the NBA Finals, all things considered.

Think about what I just wrote before responding.

All things considered includes defense on LeBron, so yes. Without Iggy he's putting up 40+ a game over the series and Curry leads his team to an L. That's how important his defense was - holding him to 24% when he's contesting his shots, while also being the 2nd leading scorer on the team.

I'd advise you to look at both sides of the ball since they're equally important. Really sit down, analyze both sides of the ball, look back at that series, and THEN respond with your argument. We're not in a rush, and you'll come off as better informed.

[rtiff68]

Are you guys purposely being dense or...?

You guys realize it's pretty much impossible for a defender to stay on 1 superstar all game, right? That pick and rolls exist, that teams target poor defenders (remember Rockets hunting Curry?) instead of good defenders? Y'all know that right?

Y'all know that there's advanced player tracking that shows how incredible Iggy did on LeBron when he was guarding him? While also being the 2nd leading scorer on offense?

Yes, I realize all of that and that those things exist.

You also realize that you’re claiming that Andre Iguodala was as impactful— in totality— as Stephen Curry was in the 2015 NBA Finals, right?

Seriously. You believe that Andre Iguodala was as important to the 2015 Warriors as Stephen Curry was in the NBA Finals, all things considered.

Think about what I just wrote before responding.

All things considered includes defense on LeBron, so yes. Without Iggy he's putting up 40+ a game over the series and Curry leads his team to an L. That's how important his defense was - holding him to 24% when he's contesting his shots, while also being the 2nd leading scorer on the team.

I'd advise you to look at both sides of the ball since they're equally important. Really sit down, analyze both sides of the ball, look back at that series, and THEN respond with your argument. We're not in a rush, and you'll come off as better informed.

I suppose Bruce Bowen was “just as important” as Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, and Manu Ginobili in the 2007 Finals, right? I mean, he was the primary defender on LeBron, and the latter scored 220ppg on .356 from the field.

Yes, there are two sides to the court. Yes, Andre was crucial in the 2015 Finals. No, Andre Iguodala was not “just as important” as Steph freaking Curry in that series. The fact that someone with a functioning brain is arguing that boggles my mind.

[Cubbies2120]

Yes, I realize all of that and that those things exist.

You also realize that you’re claiming that Andre Iguodala was as impactful— in totality— as Stephen Curry was in the 2015 NBA Finals, right?

Seriously. You believe that Andre Iguodala was as important to the 2015 Warriors as Stephen Curry was in the NBA Finals, all things considered.

Think about what I just wrote before responding.

All things considered includes defense on LeBron, so yes. Without Iggy he's putting up 40+ a game over the series and Curry leads his team to an L. That's how important his defense was - holding him to 24% when he's contesting his shots, while also being the 2nd leading scorer on the team.

I'd advise you to look at both sides of the ball since they're equally important. Really sit down, analyze both sides of the ball, look back at that series, and THEN respond with your argument. We're not in a rush, and you'll come off as better informed.

I suppose Bruce Bowen was “just as important” as Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, and Manu Ginobili in the 2007 Finals, right? I mean, he was the primary defender on LeBron, and the latter scored 220ppg on .356 from the field.

Yes, there are two sides to the court. Yes, Andre was crucial in the 2015 Finals. No, Andre Iguodala was not “just as important” as Steph freaking Curry in that series. The fact that someone with a functioning brain is arguing that boggles my mind.

It boggles my mind that someone with a seemingly functional brain tries to compare two things that aren't remotely close...

Remember how I said "All things considered"?

On Defense: Bowen did a great job on a young LeBron, but I'd be interested if you can find his stats with Bowen contesting (as I did for Iguodala on a prime LeBron). Even if we credit all the defense on LeBron to Bowen, that's still significantly better shooting than Iggy held him to.

On Offense: 6 ppg on sub 30% shooting (4th most ppg on 2nd worst shooting % on the team vs. Iggy 2nd most ppg on better shooting % than Curry...)

I mean, I know you're getting a lil upset that your arguments are getting shot down that you're starting to equate two entirely different things and hoping nobody will call you out on them, but there's a significant difference. In fact, remember how you said "Curry avgd almost 10 ppg more than Iggy!", well, Iggy avgd 10 ppg more than Bowen...so...