Danny Ainge: Jazz Didn't Really Believe In Each Other Anymore

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Danny Ainge: Jazz Didn't Really Believe In Each Other Anymore 

Post#1 » by RealGM Wiretap » Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:06 pm

Danny Ainge said he had some preconceived notions about the Utah Jazz prior to joining the organization. Ainge said he was "curious and optimistic" about what the Jazz would be, but ultimately, he felt proven right about his original thoughts. At that point, it was time to rebuild the team.


“What I saw during the season was a group of players that really didn’t believe in each other,” Ainge said. "I think individually they have resolve. I just don’t believe that collectively they did. So, we saw a lot of players trying to do it on their own, as the belief in one another wasn’t as great as other teams I’ve been on and around.”


Ainge said he was open to the idea that the team was saving something for the playoffs. That proved to be false, as Utah fell short once again in the postseason.


Jazz GM Justin Zanik agreed: “The previous results kind of told us who we were. It wasn’t just a one-year thing. This is a good three-year period that we won a lot of games, had a lot of success, but we were tapped out from a potential standpoint.”

Via Andy Larsen/The Salt Lake Tribune

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Post#2 » by MitchB3 » Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:20 pm

Since making back-to-back Finals appearances way back in the late 90s the Jazz hasn't sniffed a WCF appearance. This organization ceiling might just be 2nd round and nothing more.
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Re: Danny Ainge: Jazz Didn't Really Believe In Each Other Anymore 

Post#3 » by dougthonus » Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:21 pm

MitchB3 wrote:Since making back-to-back Finals appearances way back in the late 90s the Jazz hasn't sniffed a WCF appearance. This organization ceiling might just be 2nd round and nothing more.


The ceiling for most teams that don't draft a top 5 player is 2nd round exit team. The Jazz are probably now somewhat more likely to do that then other teams due to all the extra picks (though still obviously, very unlikely as all teams are very unlikely to draft a generational talent since there just aren't many of them).
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Re: Danny Ainge: Jazz Didn't Really Believe In Each Other Anymore 

Post#4 » by IWishIWasHarden » Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:44 pm

You chose to rebuild because you think you know people? Ok DR. Phil. But when I take a look at your roster now, that seems like a bad idea. You have nothing. Good luck in the draft.
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Post#5 » by BarneyGumble » Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:14 pm

MitchB3 wrote:Since making back-to-back Finals appearances way back in the late 90s the Jazz hasn't sniffed a WCF appearance. This organization ceiling might just be 2nd round and nothing more.


They made the WCF in 2008
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Post#6 » by Chi Dynasty12 » Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:17 pm

BarneyGumble wrote:
MitchB3 wrote:Since making back-to-back Finals appearances way back in the late 90s the Jazz hasn't sniffed a WCF appearance. This organization ceiling might just be 2nd round and nothing more.


They made the WCF in 2008

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Post#7 » by Lockdown504090 » Tue Sep 13, 2022 4:03 pm

bro is talking like clarkson bojan and conley arent still on the team lmfao.
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Post#8 » by FrodoFraggins » Tue Sep 13, 2022 6:20 pm

They only needed to trade Gobert but whatever.
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Post#9 » by Johnny Bball » Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:14 pm

FrodoFraggins wrote:They only needed to trade Gobert but whatever.


Danny Ainge damage control. He should have could have would have done it two years ago.
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Post#10 » by HotelVitale » Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:44 pm

BarneyGumble wrote:
MitchB3 wrote:Since making back-to-back Finals appearances way back in the late 90s the Jazz hasn't sniffed a WCF appearance. This organization ceiling might just be 2nd round and nothing more.
They made the WCF in 2008


They also were one series away from the Finals in '08, '10, '17, '18, and '21. They've done a whole lot of sniffing, just didn't quite get to the meat.
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Post#11 » by Rip32 » Wed Sep 14, 2022 4:44 am

I sure some of the fans don't believe in Danny Ainge as well :D
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Post#12 » by puja21 » Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:03 pm

HotelVitale wrote:
BarneyGumble wrote:
MitchB3 wrote:Since making back-to-back Finals appearances way back in the late 90s the Jazz hasn't sniffed a WCF appearance. This organization ceiling might just be 2nd round and nothing more.
They made the WCF in 2008


They also were one series away from the Finals in '08, '10, '17, '18, and '21. They've done a whole lot of sniffing, just didn't quite get to the meat.


RE: "organizational ceiling might just be 2nd round"

and "They also were one series away from the Finals in '08, '10, '17, '18, and '21."

^Those years were the second round...
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puja21 wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:
BarneyGumble wrote: They made the WCF in 2008


They also were one series away from the Finals in '08, '10, '17, '18, and '21. They've done a whole lot of sniffing, just didn't quite get to the meat.


RE: "organizational ceiling might just be 2nd round"

and "They also were one series away from the Finals in '08, '10, '17, '18, and '21."

^Those years were the second round...


Yes? Last post said 'they hadn't sniffed a WCF' since the 1990s.
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Post#14 » by ForeverRDjazz » Fri Sep 16, 2022 1:48 am

IWishIWasHarden wrote:You chose to rebuild because you think you know people? Ok DR. Phil. But when I take a look at your roster now, that seems like a bad idea. You have nothing. Good luck in the draft.

LOL where would the Rocket been had they not drafted Hakeem Olajuwan? How about the bulls and MJ? :lol: I'm thinking your short sighted on teams landing higher picks in the draft. Not going to happen over night. Jordan was 27 when he won first ring.... When Mitchell plays hero ball and forces bad shots and has TO driving into the paint. It shows lack of trust with your teammates. It was only getting worse each year and Quin couldn't change it.
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Post#15 » by GrindCityHustle » Fri Sep 16, 2022 6:00 am

They were like Portland but performed better in the regular season.

It makes sense the more u think about it.
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Post#16 » by puja21 » Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:22 pm

HotelVitale wrote:
puja21 wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:
They also were one series away from the Finals in '08, '10, '17, '18, and '21. They've done a whole lot of sniffing, just didn't quite get to the meat.


RE: "organizational ceiling might just be 2nd round"

and "They also were one series away from the Finals in '08, '10, '17, '18, and '21."

^Those years were the second round...


Yes? Last post said 'they hadn't sniffed a WCF' since the 1990s.


I think the confusion is that most people would word it as:

WCF = one series away from the Finals
2nd round = two series away
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Post#17 » by ShazamDaShiznt » Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:12 pm

The Jazz stopped believing in each other when Gobert decided to touch bunch of microphones to prove covid doesn't exist.
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Re: Danny Ainge: Jazz Didn't Really Believe In Each Other Anymore 

Post#18 » by HotelVitale » Fri Sep 16, 2022 7:41 pm

puja21 wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:
puja21 wrote:RE: "organizational ceiling might just be 2nd round" and "They also were one series away from the Finals in '08, '10, '17, '18, and '21."
^Those years were the second round...
Yes? Last post said 'they hadn't sniffed a WCF' since the 1990s.

I think the confusion is that most people would word it as:
WCF = one series away from the Finals
2nd round = two series away


The original quote we're all responding to was "Since making back-to-back Finals appearances way back in the late 90s the Jazz hasn't sniffed a WCF appearance." It's possible that guy was just saying "they haven't even made the WCF since the late 90s" but getting a win or two away definitely counts as 'sniffing.' So it may be a semantic thing.

But I think me and others were also saying getting to the 2nd rd 5 times in 12 years is still a big accomplishment, better overall outcome than all but a handful of teams. It's also a dumb idea that the franchise is somehow cursed to only go so far in the PO, especially in this case when there were multiple rosters and stars that got them that far.

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