Eurobasket 2022 Finals : SPAIN are European champions!!!

[Miami_Lux]

Someone has to explain me why:

Willy is not getting 30 minutes game in the pels ( for the 82 games)

Juancho is not geting his 25 minutes wherever he is

Garuba has not had even a fair chance on a rockets team that is TANKING.

and specially why are not the 30 gms already making calls to alberto Diazs agent, in order to sign him so he can pester rival pgs for 15 minutes each game.

Most of these guys are simply not good enough to play in the NBA. The problem with Eurobasket is that besides the few very good players (Giannis, Jokic, Doncic, etc) the rest of the players are role-player quality at best. And because most of the player pool is average or slightly above average your perception gets skewed in terms of how good they really are on the highest level.

[Audi]

I will no doubt will cheer for France, just because we wouldn't need to live in a world where Eurobasket MVP is Lorenzo Brown...

Same here. That and Fournier deserves to win something since all he's done in the NBA is go bald.

[elillo]

Garuba with 7 assists in 18 minutes. He pairs really well with Juancho.

[minami]

Alberto Díaz is my MVP.

Scariolo is mine. That man is a maestro. This is the second big tournament so far where we were written off because of supposedly weak roster. Scariolo said "well, let's see about that".

Not just a tactical master but a fricking genius human resources wise; reaching the Eurobasket Final with this group is just the nail in the coffin for anyone not being aware of this, and cements his legacy as one of the greatest coaches ever imo (sorry for being a tad hyperbolic).

*I didn´t even need a confirmation after a decaying Spain winning the last WC, and this is just the icing on the cake no matter they win or lose the Final.

Kudos to the whole group though - further from Scariolo, this was a fantastic game from pretty much everyone and I enjoyed it immensely!

Germany is a very talented team and should be proud of its performance, this could of course have gone either way and I´m rising an Augustiner Lagerbier -in proper glassware- for you right now. Prost!

[cloudXXI]

Germany 12/13 FT in the first half; Spain 2/2. Final Germany 12/13 FT, Spain 14/14. Guess things evened out in the 2nd half?

Have you watched the game? Germany was fouling at the end trying to come back.

[minami]

Garuba with 7 assists in 18 minutes. He pairs really well with Juancho.

*Really* liked Garuba shining as a (not that) poor man´s Draymond when it mattered; free throws in, assists, defence, and well needed loads of character.

[Mavrelous]

Spain in the finals, unblievable...

[Mirotic12]

One of the lamest fake made-up excuses that NBA only fans and Giannis only fans tried to throw against the wall here to see if it would stick (it didn't), was that Germany was a "vastly superior team" as compared to Greece, and that Germany had "vastly superior talent", and blah, blah, blah.....

In reality, Greece's roster is very clearly more talented and deeper than Germany's roster. Guys like Nick Weiler-Babb and Andy Obst were key players for Germany, and neither one of them could even make Greece's roster. German rotation player Giffey wouldn't make Greece's roster either.

German players like Sengfelder, Hollatz, and Wohlfarth-Botterman - none of those players would even get invited to an open Greek team training camp tryout.

The made up untrue, ridiculous nonsense excuse of "Giannis lost to a superior team", was absurd. Because Giannis' team is way more talented than Germany is.

Greece's team was easily, easily deeper and better than Germany's team. Not even close actually.

And we see that very clearly in the EuroBasket semifinals against Spain. Where the weakest Spanish team in several decades beat Germany at their home. A Spanish team that doesn't even have 1/2 the talent that Greece's roster had, and they beat Germany, with a team that has Willy freaking Hernangomez as its best player...........a Spanish team that has 37 year old Rudy Fernandez as a rotation player. The same Rudy Fernandez that has been a minor bit role player in EuroLeague for years.

A Spanish team that features an above average to good EuroLeague player (he's far from being a star in EuroLeague) in Lorenzo Brown, as a team leader, a Spanish team that features a EuroCup (2nd tier European level) player in Alberto Diaz, as a key contributor, EuroCup level Brizuela, etc., etc., etc. Spain's roster is significantly less talented, less deep, and worse than Greece's roster is.

And yet somehow, with a limited roster, with a bunch of guys that are not good enough for the EuroLeague.........somehow, someway, Spain managed to beat the incredible juggernaut of unbelievable greatness (according to ludicrous NBA fans) that is the German national team, with half of Germany's roster not being good enough to make Greece's team.........

Yeah, but we are supposed to believe from NBA only fans, that poor Giannis was such an unfortunate victim of his circumstances, and that his team was so overmatched by the mighty Germans, that it was like he was playing with eleven 8th graders as his teammates, and playing against the Dream Team........

The excuses made for Giannis' unbelievable level of colossal failures in FIBA is absolutely mind boggling. Giannis is the most coddled and protected by the media and fans, athlete in the history of the world.

[Mirotic12]

Someone has to explain me why:

Willy is not getting 30 minutes game in the pels ( for the 82 games)

Juancho is not geting his 25 minutes wherever he is

Garuba has not had even a fair chance on a rockets team that is TANKING.

and specially why are not the 30 gms already making calls to alberto Diazs agent, in order to sign him so he can pester rival pgs for 15 minutes each game.

Please do not forget to use the green font next time. Thanks.

[Mirotic12]

I will no doubt will cheer for France, just because we wouldn't need to live in a world where Eurobasket MVP is Lorenzo Brown...

Maybe now you can see the reality that I have been trying to explain to you for years now? The reality that the level of the competition at the FIBA EuroBasket is around the level of the second tier European leagues (EuroCup / FIBA Basketball Champions League), and honestly in this tournament, it was even lower than that. I mean Poland's national team wouldn't even be able to have any decent result in those secondary European leagues.

Reality of the best basketball competitions (clubs/national teams) in the world is something like,

tier 1: NBA
tier 2: EuroLeague
tier 3: EuroCup / FIBA Basketball Champions League / FIBA EuroBasket (on the cusp of being tier 4 these days)
tier 4: FIBA World Cup / Summer Olympics / Australian NBL / FIBA Basketball Champions League Americas
tier 5: joke competitions like the NBA G-League, the Chinese Basketball Association, etc.

EuroBasket is 2-3 tiers below the NBA and 1-2 tiers below the EuroLeague in the level of competition.

There is no point in arguing about this. Slovenia gold medal 2017 team could have never made the EuroLeague playoffs. The whole quarterfinals of this 2022 tournament looks like a glorified version of the FIBA Basketball Champions League Final Four, but with worse teams.

The craziest of all is Poland making the medal round........this Polish team would be good for an 0-34 record in the EuroLeague.

It's all the more reason why Giannis, Sabonis, and Jokic look absolutely pathetic for failing to medal, especially since they had 3 of the 4 best rosters in the tournament. It's an insane level failure for those three players, and any NBA fan that says otherwise, is on a level of trolling that is out of this world.

[Mirotic12]

Wait, Lorenzo Brown is THAT Lorenzo Brown from NC State I used to be mildly intrigued by when he was a draft prospect? I kinda assumed he was some young-ish half-Spanish-half-American player who played for some Spanish team (I don't really follow Euroleague these days).

Can someone give me the cliff notes version of why he's playing for Spain? What's his link with the country?

It's called mucho dinero.

[Gothic]

Wait, Lorenzo Brown is THAT Lorenzo Brown from NC State I used to be mildly intrigued by when he was a draft prospect? I kinda assumed he was some young-ish half-Spanish-half-American player who played for some Spanish team (I don't really follow Euroleague these days).

Can someone give me the cliff notes version of why he's playing for Spain? What's his link with the country?

None whatsoever. He was a solid Euroleague player willing to renounce his US citizenship for a starting role on a Eurobasket NT. Spain needed a PG. They got it done without ever even bringing him to Spain.

I don't know for sure but probably he has not renounced US citizenship. Spain has double nationality agreement with USA.

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[Mirotic12]

Wait, Lorenzo Brown is THAT Lorenzo Brown from NC State I used to be mildly intrigued by when he was a draft prospect? I kinda assumed he was some young-ish half-Spanish-half-American player who played for some Spanish team (I don't really follow Euroleague these days).

Can someone give me the cliff notes version of why he's playing for Spain? What's his link with the country?

None whatsoever. He was a solid Euroleague player willing to renounce his US citizenship for a starting role on a Eurobasket NT. Spain needed a PG. They got it done without ever even bringing him to Spain.

I don't know for sure but probably he has not renounced US citizenship. Spain has double nationality agreement with USA.

Yeah, he gets to keep is US citizenship.

[Taikuri]

Yes he is a mercenary, and yes we would have a massive point guard hole without him thats a fact.
I am talking about his behaviour as a player and as a man after he agreed to play for us and he is a class act.
I have no problem taking someone into our polish community if he shows values as a human being. Most poles dont care about skin color or ethnic background.
Rules are what they are, we didnt violate any of them. If you go far enough you can say americans should only play ethnic indians becouse they took their land not so long ago. Funny enough big part of americans dont want to play for their country, money is more important to them.

In the bronze match normally I would want the underdog Poland to beat Germany, but I can't, because of this American player Slaughter. I know that Germany has a naturalized player also "Bapp" or what ever his name is, but at least he has some far connection to Germany. That distant connection is enough for me, because there are worse and more abusive cases, such as Slaughter, Lorenzo Brown, Mike Tobey and Jaleen Smith (Croatia). Slaughter has no connection to Poland and without Slaughter Poland wouldn't be playing for medals. Frankly I think that Poland wouldn't have beat Ukraine on the first round of playoffs or maybe Poland wouldn't even be in the playoffs without Slaughter. Him and Ponitka are your MVP players. Poland did damage to Ukraine, who as far as I understand didn't use a foreigner at all. It's really hard to respect Poland's achievements in this tournament, I'm sorry.

[Taikuri]

But I guess that's what it is for small countries with small talent pools - getting all the top players to be in shape and on the top of their games at the same time is difficult. Anyway, maybe the youngsters of the current team are even better than Koponen was in a few years time.

If Spain had our (Finland's) talent pool, they would've hired some better American than that guy Lorenzo Brown who some here call a "scrub" who happens to be Spain's MVP. If Spain wins gold and Lorenzo Brown plays like he has in the playoffs, will he be the tournament MVP? In my opinion yes. That will be a great testament to FIBA's current rules on naturalized players.

[Taikuri]

Wait, Lorenzo Brown is THAT Lorenzo Brown from NC State I used to be mildly intrigued by when he was a draft prospect? I kinda assumed he was some young-ish half-Spanish-half-American player who played for some Spanish team (I don't really follow Euroleague these days).

Can someone give me the cliff notes version of why he's playing for Spain? What's his link with the country?

There is no link at all. Some call it Spain, but I call it team Spain+USA. Their MVP is a full American player. It's hard to see Spain as a national team right now. To me it's more like some Euroleague team.

So far this player Lorenzo Brown was the difference maker to knock out Lithuania and Germany and he did huge damage on Finland too on the second half, where Finland's 10 point lead turned quickly into Spain's 10 point win. Rubio's injury is not an excuse to recruit that guy. I guarantee you that Lorenzo Brown will be playing for Spain in the World Cup as well.

[minami]

I will no doubt will cheer for France, just because we wouldn't need to live in a world where Eurobasket MVP is Lorenzo Brown...

Maybe now you can see the reality that I have been trying to explain to you for years now? The reality that the level of the competition at the FIBA EuroBasket is around the level of the second tier European leagues (EuroCup / FIBA Basketball Champions League), and honestly in this tournament, it was even lower than that. I mean Poland's national team wouldn't even be able to have any decent result in those secondary European leagues.

Reality of the best basketball competitions (clubs/national teams) in the world is something like,

tier 1: NBA
tier 2: EuroLeague
tier 3: EuroCup / FIBA Basketball Champions League / FIBA EuroBasket (on the cusp of being tier 4 these days)
tier 4: FIBA World Cup / Summer Olympics / Australian NBL / FIBA Basketball Champions League Americas
tier 5: joke competitions like the NBA G-League, the Chinese Basketball Association, etc.

EuroBasket is 2-3 tiers below the NBA and 1-2 tiers below the EuroLeague in the level of competition.

There is no point in arguing about this. Slovenia gold medal 2017 team could have never made the EuroLeague playoffs. The whole quarterfinals of this 2022 tournament looks like a glorified version of the FIBA Basketball Champions League Final Four, but with worse teams.

The craziest of all is Poland making the medal round........this Polish team would be good for an 0-34 record in the EuroLeague.

It's all the more reason why Giannis, Sabonis, and Jokic look absolutely pathetic for failing to medal, especially since they had 3 of the 4 best rosters in the tournament. It's an insane level failure for those three players, and any NBA fan that says otherwise, is on a level of trolling that is out of this world.

I find your arguments to be rather fascinating, and would actually like to know where are you from (if you don´t mind to share with us).

[ShazamDaShiznt]

Also how in the world did they manage to get Slovenia, France, Germany and Lithuania in one group? What kind of stupid ranking system do they have?

"Each of the four hosts was granted the right to select a partner federation for commercial and marketing criteria. These teams would automatically be placed into the same group as their chosen partner country."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroBasket_2022#Draw

And that's why Fiba needs to ditch the idea of holding Eurobasket in multiple places and just choose one country like they used to. Germany was more than capable of holding all four groups in their country.

[Mauro Pedrosa]

These games have a blistering pace. Great game so far

Do you have your Wagner jersey on?

Haha I recently bought a McGrady on. Next on the list is Jonathan Isaac, then maybe Mo Wagner who I have an irrational passion for

[ShazamDaShiznt]

Lorenzo Brown holding that Eurobasket MVP trophy will be the perfect conclusion of what a clown show the Fiba has become.

USA (and Canada in the future also) has unlimited amounts of individually talented players, something that majority of European national teams lacked forever. To allow these teams to sign one of those guys is cheating made legal. Lorenzo Brown had a bench warmer career in NBA and he's out there in Eurobasket having great games without a proper training camp with Spanish national team.

To make things worse the Fiba has given too many spots for other continents in their world championship tournament, when it's clear these European teams need to have more spots reserved to them than they do now. Therefore some quite strong European teams may be reduced to playing one tournament per 4 years now, which is why nearly every team has now signed a foreigner, to be able to compete in this dumb new Fiba format.