Eurobasket 2022 Finals : SPAIN are European champions!!!

[the_urre14]

I´m from Spain, and I´m totally against the american players with no connections to a country playing with that national team. This is nothing against Lorenzo Brown, in fact his teammates and the spanish federation have praised him for the way he has integrated in the team, and his performance has been amazing. That being said, I kind of dislike people in Twitter mentioning this and using it as an excuse once they have lost to us. Lithuania played 2 games against us in the preparation for the Eurobasket, they beat us in both games and said nothing about Brown. Before the game in this championship, they said nothing about Brown. It wasn´t until they lost that they started crying about it.

I get that for some teams, seeing the opportunity of getting a great result this year after the dominance Spain has had during this century, and losing to a lesser talented Spain is frustraiting. Still, to use the Brown stuff as an excuse and trying to take credit off this spanish team and coach Scariolo is quite unfair. Also, if he wasn´t injured, Spain would have had Rubio instead of Brown, so... To finish, I think that this performance shows the outstanding job that the spanish federation does in the youth categories, being able to win in 2019 the World Cup and getting a medal this year after the retirement of the golden generation of Marc and Pau Gasol, Navarro, Calderon... This summer, for example, in both men and women basketball, Spain has reached the final in all the u16, u17, u18 and u20 competitions they have participated in, which shows which caliber of development job we have (and which has been prised by many national team head coaches of other countries, the last one being the german yesterday).

Overall, using Brown as an excuse (as if he was Chris Paul) and understimate the outstandig job of Scariolo and the heart of a champion and determination (alongside great collective basketball) that this team shows every summer is really unfair.

[UcanUwill]

I´m from Spain, and I´m totally against the american players with no connections to a country playing with that national team. This is nothing against Lorenzo Brown, in fact his teammates and the spanish federation have praised him for the way he has integrated in the team, and his performance has been amazing. That being said, I kind of dislike people in Twitter mentioning this and using it as an excuse once they have lost to us. Lithuania played 2 games against us in the preparation for the Eurobasket, they beat us in both games and said nothing about Brown. Before the game in this championship, they said nothing about Brown. It wasn´t until they lost that they started crying about it.

I get that for some teams, seeing the opportunity of getting a great result this year after the dominance Spain has had during this century, and losing to a lesser talented Spain is frustraiting. Still, to use the Brown stuff as an excuse and trying to take credit off this spanish team and coach Scariolo is quite unfair. Also, if he wasn´t injured, Spain would have had Rubio instead of Brown, so... To finish, I think that this performance shows the outstanding job that the spanish federation does in the youth categories, being able to win in 2019 the World Cup and getting a medal this year after the retirement of the golden generation of Marc and Pau Gasol, Navarro, Calderon... This summer, for example, in both men and women basketball, Spain has reached the final in all the u16, u17, u18 and u20 competitions they have participated in, which shows which caliber of development job we have (and which has been prised by many national team head coaches of other countries, the last one being the german yesterday).

Overall, using Brown as an excuse (as if he was Chris Paul) and understimate the outstandig job of Scariolo and the heart of a champion and determination (alongside great collective basketball) that this team shows every summer is really unfair.

We here in Lithuania really disliked Brown addition, lots of comments and articles been made. Of course when you lose basically because of that player in the knock out stage, the talks and dislike of such signings reach international levels.

If you think countries like Serbia, Lithuania, the ones that really dislike naturalized BS players, didnt care about Lorenzo Brown, before they lost to him, you are very wrong. Entire media over here looked at Spain with revolt, because of Lorenzo Brown, way before tournament started. But no one knew this signing would be so impactful he is basically one step from gold and MVP. If he wins MVP, it will be a major emberassement not to Spain, but entire European basketball.

Maybe it is unfair that Lorenzo gets the credit, Spanish players did a wonderful job, but Spain made their bed, their medal will not be respected, and I am glad, such BS naturalization must be shamed. Just my opinion.

[Nuntius]

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[Nuntius]

I disliked (and was baffled by) Lorenzo Brown's naturalization as much as anyone else but I cannot help but congratulate Spain for making the Finals. They have showed a ton of heart and experience and especially players like Alberto Diaz wholeheartedly deserve it.

[rade]

Reading comments seems like Lorenzo Brown is an NBA MVP Allstar and Michael Jordan clone, and before this tournament nobody knew this guy existed

Yes, nobody liked his naturalization, BUT one player don't win games, team does. Anteto, Doncic, Jokic, Schroder,... are the living proof.

By the way, comparison between Brown and Diaz on court in elimination games:

Diaz: Lithuania +15 / Finland +12 / Germany +25
Brown: Lithuania -1 / Finland +6 / Germany -7

Someone said that this spanish medal will not be respected because of Brown. So, ¿2017 slovenian gold medal is not respected because of Anthony Randolph?

[Pachinko_]

Lorenzo Brown and naturalised players is what it is. Instead of complaining we should learn from the other aspects of Spanish basketball, because there is a lot to learn. They consistently produce talent of their own, and they scout the continent (and beyond) and import and develop talent from other countries too. They have the best league, their national team has a culture of continuity and discipline, and their strategy and coaching is cutting edge (the "Spain P&R" exists and is copied by pretty much every NBA team for a reason). They invest real money in basketball and enjoy the rewards, at the end of the day they love the sport. Hats off to Spain and the small Baltic and former Yugoslavian countries, IMO they are the beating heart of European basketball.

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[-Luke-]

Sad that the Gold dream is over, but the German team played a great tournament. Congrats to Spain, they played clever at the end and deserved it.

Franz will be a beast at the next Eurobasket. Great tournament by him, but yesterday you could see he needs more experience.

[UcanUwill]

Top 4 individual performances from semi-finals

#1 Dennis Schroder (GER) : 30 points (11/17 FG : 3/7 3PT : 5/5 FT); 1 rebounds ; 8 assists ; 2 steals (33 EFF)
#2 Lorenzo Brown (SPA) : 29 points (11717 FG : 3/7 3PT : 4/4 FT); 2 rebounds ; 6 assists (27 EFF)
#3 Moustapha Fall (FRA) : 6 points (3/4 FG : 0/0 3PT : 0/0 FT); 10 rebounds ; 5 assists ; 1 steal ; 3 blocks (23 EFF)
#4 Guerschon Yabusele (FRA) : 22 points (9/12 FG : 4/6 3PT : 0/1 FT); 4 rebouns ; 2 steals (22 EFF)

[UcanUwill]

Reading comments seems like Lorenzo Brown is an NBA MVP Allstar and Michael Jordan clone, and before this tournament nobody knew this guy existed

Yes, nobody liked his naturalization, BUT one player don't win games, team does. Anteto, Doncic, Jokic, Schroder,... are the living proof.

By the way, comparison between Brown and Diaz on court in elimination games:

Diaz: Lithuania +15 / Finland +12 / Germany +25
Brown: Lithuania -1 / Finland +6 / Germany -7

Someone said that this spanish medal will not be respected because of Brown. So, ¿2017 slovenian gold medal is not respected because of Anthony Randolph?

Well, I think to a lot of people, Slovenian gold definitely has an asterisk because of Randolph. Same with Russian one and Holden. All these medals have huge Asterisks, always had been. Spain knew what they were doing and what people will say, this is not new.

Sorry, but it isn't our fault Spain didnt decide to ride this tournament the respectable route. Yes, not one player wins tournaments,
but Brown was incredibly instrumental to winning, maybe Spain would have won without Brown, but we will never know this, and this is not out fault.

Yes, guys like Diaz and other Spanish players need all respect they could get, but guys like Arnas Butkevicius, Kostas Papanikolau, Krunoslav Simon, Lauri Markannen, also do, all these players played their hearts out also, the difference that most of these teams didnt recruit a closer star player at the last second just to boost their chances.

Spain team is great, but this is prime example of ''A Spoonful of Tar Spoils a Barrel of Honey '', this is exactly what it is.

I am sorry, I dont want this thread to get mean, but thats just how I feel and I know I am not the only one.

[Mirotic12]

Lorenzo Brown has represented both the U.S. and Spain very well. Happy for him. Americans have done nothing but enhance the quality of this tournament for 30 years, both on the court and from the sideline, and all Euros do is bitch about them. Change the rules or develop some players of your own.

Lorenzo Brown is an above average main rotation point guard in the EuroLeague. There are probably hundreds of American players that have played in Europe that were better than him.

Out of those hundreds of better Americans than Brown that have played in Europe since World War II, only two (Wayne Brabender / Nikos Galis) have won a EuroBasket MVP, and that happened decades ago.

You make it sound like every EuroBasket MVP was American............when it was two players over nine decades. A whole 2 Americans in 9 decades........

Nice try, but you still really need to work on your trolling shtick.

[knicksfan974]

Someone said that this spanish medal will not be respected because of Brown. So, ¿2017 slovenian gold medal is not respected because of Anthony Randolph?

Correct, the slovenian gold in 2017 is not respected, imo it is just another fake asterisk championship. If they only would have achieved that great result with only slovenian players...

[Mirotic12]

Yes, in a single elimination game, we had poor by Euroleague standards teams finish high, Poland most obviously, and even Spain isnt that good on paper. Put this Spain team in the Euroleague, they arent favorites. But we had even more teams that had insane talent finish low, its just a nature of a game. Anyone who saw this Eurobasket and question its talent level is being asinine. The scoring quality among top teams is so much better than Euroleague, its not even funny. Yes, Poland team would suck in Euroleague and they made all the way to the medal stage. But guess what, Put France roster in Euroleague, they without a doubt betting favorites. Same with Greece, Serbia, Germany, Lithuania and Slovenia. Thats six teams that would easily be best Euroleague team day one. I already see Mirotic trolling me back and saying how little Euroleague talent Slovenia has, but they have Doncic, the guy who destroys any NBA big in a pick and roll, he would destroy any Euroleague big in a pick and roll, its not even a competition.
Mirotic12 try for you to see just one contextualless point of view - Spain is in a final with average Euroleage talent, so that means that Eurobasket is weak (or rather EUroleague is so amazingly strong, please believe him) and that every other team that finishes lower is even worse, right? Like Illusionist, he tries to hide what is on the other hand, the flip argument that can be made - hey, Serbia has world class talent, they didnt even make top 8. So maybe this Eurobasket isnt that bad when teams like Serbia with Jokic and elite Euro talent doesnt make, or Greece with Giannis and somewhat elite Euro talent doesn't make it?

Mirotic12 is just here to convince you how good Euroleague is. He is a fanboy who is not to debate people, he is here to preach. He is not contributing to a conversation, hes preaching.

Anyhow, Euro players not being in the Euroleague, doesnt mean they are worse. Euroleague every year have rookies that take EUroleague by storm, there will always be Euroleague caliber players outside Euroleague, because Euro club basketball is so wide, where Euroleague is just a very small part of that. Also Euroleague is just at that level, it is very strong reletevely, but it is not head and shoulders better. Every year we had new teams that made Euroleague and soometimes they do pretty well. Sometimes Euroleague team leaves Euroleague and falls into a minor obscurity. This is not NBA, where NBA is at such highest level, you cant really build NBA team from players who arent in the NBA. But you could build 5 great Euroleague teams with players from non Euroleague teams. To question Euro talent just because they arent neceserilly in the Euroleague is not vise in my opinion. Yes, Diaz and Tarpey arent Euroleague players, but if this tournament didnt convince you that any Euroleague team would love to have them, you need a new glasses.

Teams that made finals are very strong, maybe even stronger teams didnt make it, its a nature of a game. If Jokubaitis makes that 3, Spain is not even in the quarterfinals. If they start the clock during that inbound in that Turkish-France game, France is not even in the quarterfinals. This is how fragile championship is, one minor thing shuffles all the cards. In alternate timeline, Serbia and Greece is in the final, Jokic and Giannis are absolutely amazing, and even Mirotic is out of preach verses.

Well said. I’ll also just add that the difference between the bottom four Euroleague teams and top four EuroCup teams is often negligible.

And you have both just proven that you have never actually seen a EuroLeague game. Thanks for the heads up.

[Mirotic12]

I´m from Spain, and I´m totally against the american players with no connections to a country playing with that national team. This is nothing against Lorenzo Brown, in fact his teammates and the spanish federation have praised him for the way he has integrated in the team, and his performance has been amazing. That being said, I kind of dislike people in Twitter mentioning this and using it as an excuse once they have lost to us. Lithuania played 2 games against us in the preparation for the Eurobasket, they beat us in both games and said nothing about Brown. Before the game in this championship, they said nothing about Brown. It wasn´t until they lost that they started crying about it.

I get that for some teams, seeing the opportunity of getting a great result this year after the dominance Spain has had during this century, and losing to a lesser talented Spain is frustraiting. Still, to use the Brown stuff as an excuse and trying to take credit off this spanish team and coach Scariolo is quite unfair. Also, if he wasn´t injured, Spain would have had Rubio instead of Brown, so... To finish, I think that this performance shows the outstanding job that the spanish federation does in the youth categories, being able to win in 2019 the World Cup and getting a medal this year after the retirement of the golden generation of Marc and Pau Gasol, Navarro, Calderon... This summer, for example, in both men and women basketball, Spain has reached the final in all the u16, u17, u18 and u20 competitions they have participated in, which shows which caliber of development job we have (and which has been prised by many national team head coaches of other countries, the last one being the german yesterday).

Overall, using Brown as an excuse (as if he was Chris Paul) and understimate the outstandig job of Scariolo and the heart of a champion and determination (alongside great collective basketball) that this team shows every summer is really unfair.

Wayne Brabender (Spain)
Cliff Luyk (Spain)
Nikos Galis (Greece)
Mike D'antoni (Italy)
Carlton Myers (Italy)
Mike Jackel (Germany)
Gregor F u c k a (Italy)
Mirsad Turkcan (Turkey)
Luol Deng (UK)
Derrick Sharp (Israel)
Nikola Mirotic (Spain)
Serge Ibaka (Spain)
J.R. Holden (Russia)

etc., etc., etc.

Examples like the above are obviously much different than examples like the ones below:

Mike Tobey (Slovenia)
AJ Slaughter (Poland)
Bo McCalebb (North Macedonia)
Anthony Randolph (Slovenia)
Lorenzo Brown (Spain)

etc., etc., etc.

It's the second type that people really don't like, and that is what Spain is clearly doing with Brown. Just basically hiring a random player that is looking to have a good summer payday, to fly to the training camp, and play for the team.

The second type, the Anthony Randolph/Slovenia and Lorenzo Brown/Spain type - FIBA needs to ban it. And it's one thing if it's Poland singing AJ Slaughter or whatever, but teams like Spain and Slovenia are tying to purchase whole tournaments, and so far they were successful. If Spain wins, that's two straight tournaments that were purchased with money.

FIBA definitely has to ban that kind of thing moving forward.

[Pacernation]

Pretty sad that we lost, but the team showed so much promise and heart that I can't be mad about it. Spain played great and won fair and square. Herbert coached a great tournament but yesterday he got outclassed in the fourth quarter. Theis played amazing against Greece but yesterday he didn't have it. Missed about 4 layups or dunks that probably cost us the game.
Well played Spain! Allways had the right answer and really played great in crunchtime.
Let's get that bronzemedal!

btw. outside of a small basketball bubble, nobody cares about Brown and neither do I.

[Chuck Diesel]

If so many European domestic leagues didn’t have these asinine rules limiting the number of American imports, obtaining a foreign passport would be far less beneficial to these guys for their career earning potential. I’d personally like to see 12 of the best non NBA Americans competing together for a country where basketball doesn’t exist, like the Isle of Man. Each player gets a coveted European passport and the EuroBasket tournament gets another gold medal contender. Would be a nice alternative to the thankless role of being scattered across various ungrateful, complaining countries.

Mike James/Nate Wolters
Jordan Lloyd/Kevin Punter
Shaquielle McKissic/John Brown/Cory Higgins
Will Clyburn/Luke Sikma
Kyle Hines/Donta Hall/Josh Nebo

[edededtut]

That makes no sense. There is a competition for that and it’s called euroleague. We are talking about the european championships for the national teams. It makes no sense to buy players for national teams.

I guess there is not much one can do about this because some nations are giving away passports without any restrictions, unless you want to ban the players altogether. Which would then be unfair to the guys who actually have integrated to the nations they are representing..

Btw in my opinion ibaka and mirotic should both have been able to play for spain at the same time.

[edededtut]

If so many European domestic leagues didn’t have these asinine rules limiting the number of American imports, obtaining a foreign passport would be far less beneficial to these guys for their career earning potential. I’d personally like to see 12 of the best non NBA Americans competing together for a country where basketball doesn’t exist, like the Isle of Man. Each player gets a coveted European passport and the EuroBasket tournament gets another gold medal contender. Would be a nice alternative to the thankless role of being scattered across various ungrateful, complaining countries.

Mike James/Nate Wolters
Jordan Lloyd/Kevin Punter
Will Clyburn/John Brown/Cory Higgins
Shaquielle McKissic/Luke Sikma
Kyle Hines/Donta Hall/Josh Nebo

Why not make it the next best 12 americans in the nba who didn’t make the cut for the US olympic team? They could play for isle of man and win olympic gold for them. Yay.

[Chuck Diesel]

That’d be cool too. I’m all for whatever produces the highest level of basketball in the summertime. More Americans=higher level of basketball.

[the_urre14]

I´m from Spain, and I´m totally against the american players with no connections to a country playing with that national team. This is nothing against Lorenzo Brown, in fact his teammates and the spanish federation have praised him for the way he has integrated in the team, and his performance has been amazing. That being said, I kind of dislike people in Twitter mentioning this and using it as an excuse once they have lost to us. Lithuania played 2 games against us in the preparation for the Eurobasket, they beat us in both games and said nothing about Brown. Before the game in this championship, they said nothing about Brown. It wasn´t until they lost that they started crying about it.

I get that for some teams, seeing the opportunity of getting a great result this year after the dominance Spain has had during this century, and losing to a lesser talented Spain is frustraiting. Still, to use the Brown stuff as an excuse and trying to take credit off this spanish team and coach Scariolo is quite unfair. Also, if he wasn´t injured, Spain would have had Rubio instead of Brown, so... To finish, I think that this performance shows the outstanding job that the spanish federation does in the youth categories, being able to win in 2019 the World Cup and getting a medal this year after the retirement of the golden generation of Marc and Pau Gasol, Navarro, Calderon... This summer, for example, in both men and women basketball, Spain has reached the final in all the u16, u17, u18 and u20 competitions they have participated in, which shows which caliber of development job we have (and which has been prised by many national team head coaches of other countries, the last one being the german yesterday).

Overall, using Brown as an excuse (as if he was Chris Paul) and understimate the outstandig job of Scariolo and the heart of a champion and determination (alongside great collective basketball) that this team shows every summer is really unfair.

Wayne Brabender (Spain)
Cliff Luyk (Spain)
Nikos Galis (Greece)
Mike D'antoni (Italy)
Carlton Myers (Italy)
Mike Jackel (Germany)
Gregor F u c k a (Italy)
Mirsad Turkcan (Turkey)
Luol Deng (UK)
Derrick Sharp (Israel)
Nikola Mirotic (Spain)
Serge Ibaka (Spain)
J.R. Holden (Russia)

etc., etc., etc.

Examples like the above are obviously much different than examples like the ones below:

Mike Tobey (Slovenia)
AJ Slaughter (Poland)
Bo McCalebb (North Macedonia)
Anthony Randolph (Slovenia)
Lorenzo Brown (Spain)

etc., etc., etc.

It's the second type that people really don't like, and that is what Spain is clearly doing with Brown. Just basically hiring a random player that is looking to have a good summer payday, to fly to the training camp, and play for the team.

The second type, the Anthony Randolph/Slovenia and Lorenzo Brown/Spain type - FIBA needs to ban it. And it's one thing if it's Poland singing AJ Slaughter or whatever, but teams like Spain and Slovenia are tying to purchase whole tournaments, and so far they were successful. If Spain wins, that's two straight tournaments that were purchased with money.

FIBA definitely has to ban that kind of thing moving forward.

Yes mate, like I said in my message, I don´t like it and I would ban it as well. Just wanted to point that I think it´s unfair to take off credit from Spain as reading Twitter it seems like Brown is Chris Paul or Stephen Curry. Also agree with the difference you make between the 2 types of nationalizations.

[GeorgeSears]

If France adds Embiid and Wembanyama they could be a team that could take out the US team. They did a solid job last year in the Olympics against them and only lost by 5 points.