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Post#641 » by dagger » Wed Sep 7, 2022 2:01 pm

A negative stat comparison between Randall Grichuk and Raimel Tapia - which makes the trade look bad even if it's small potatoes in the big picture - set me to checking out outfielders in the system. o put it mildly, this team hasn't developed a a decent reserve outfielders, let alone a starter, since Kevin Pillar. Every outfielder on this team was signed as an FA, acquired by trade, or converted from an infielder. Now a team that drafts and signs a lot of infielders like the Jays do has surplus farm talent that can be converted into outfielders, but they are rarely naturals who can run lanes like a Pillar. You'd have to say that our outfield, defensively, is adequate, but no more (The occasional brilliance of Springer being offset by the occasional ineptitude and laziness of Teoscar and clumsiness of Gurriel.).

So it's worth noting a couple of names in the system, both at Vancouver.

1. Dasan Brown, still just 20, not hitting with a tonne of power, but has raised his average over .300 and his OPS over .800. A third round draft pick in 2019, he started the season at Dunedin, seems a good bet to reach NH next year. What he is really known for is speed. He's perhaps the fastest player in the entire system, and is being groomed for CF. At the very least, he could assume a utility role like Zimmer or Bradley Jr. Currently the team's #30 prospect on MLB Pipeline.

Brown is an elite athlete. His speed is unmatched in the organization and is one of the best speed tools in Minor League Baseball. This also allows Brown to be one of the top defenders in the organization, covering any ground necessary with a natural, quick jump. Brown’s throwing arm had a unique motion when the Blue Jays drafted him, but he makes it work and has smoothed it out over the past two years. The exit velocity readings on Brown show that he can certainly be more than a slap-and-sprint hitter, so the Blue Jays are excited to see what he’s capable of if he can improve his pitch selection and contact rates.

If Brown can put the ball in play consistently, he becomes one of the highest-upside prospects in this entire organization. That’s no simple task, though, and Brown will be tested by more advanced pitching as he advances. He has done a better job of reaching base at Single-A and High-A in 2022, making it a little easier to see how he’ll squeeze out enough offensive value to help a Major League club someday.


2. Gabriel Martinez. Also just 20, a right fielder with more pop, he's the team's ninth ranked prospect on MLB pipeline, and has done exceedingly well at Vancouver so far after following Brown from DUN. As this profile notes, he has to be added to the 40 man roster this year, and I assume they will do so, just in case some truly crappy team like PIT wants to take a stab at a stash and wait. Small sample, but he's hitting .318 with an .858 OPS at Vancouver, with 15 K in 97 plate appearances.

Standing at 6-foot, 170 pounds, Martinez shows an impressive ability to put the bat on the ball, sometimes going outside the zone to do so. Even then, he posts lower swinging-strike rates than most teenagers, and when he does make contact, he’s maxed out at 108.8 mph exit velocity, right up there with some Major Leaguers already. He’s likely to settle into just average power in the end, but combine that with a decent hit tool and there’s a solid offensive profile in the making here.

Martinez has split time between left and right field with Dunedin, and he’ll only continue to project as a corner outfielder with average at best speed as he matures. Now that he’s established a base full-season level of performance in his age-19 season, Martinez’s bat could push him into Toronto’s outfield picture within the next few years. He needs to be added to the 40-man roster this offseason, or else be risked in the Rule 5 Draft, so that could affect his timeline.
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Re: 2022 Minor League/Prospects Discussion Thread 

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Re: 2022 Minor League/Prospects Discussion Thread 

Post#643 » by DelAbbot » Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:51 am

dagger wrote:A negative stat comparison between Randall Grichuk and Raimel Tapia - which makes the trade look bad even if it's small potatoes in the big picture - set me to checking out outfielders in the system. o put it mildly, this team hasn't developed a a decent reserve outfielders, let alone a starter, since Kevin Pillar. Every outfielder on this team was signed as an FA, acquired by trade, or converted from an infielder. Now a team that drafts and signs a lot of infielders like the Jays do has surplus farm talent that can be converted into outfielders, but they are rarely naturals who can run lanes like a Pillar. You'd have to say that our outfield, defensively, is adequate, but no more (The occasional brilliance of Springer being offset by the occasional ineptitude and laziness of Teoscar and clumsiness of Gurriel.).

So it's worth noting a couple of names in the system, both at Vancouver.

1. Dasan Brown, still just 20, not hitting with a tonne of power, but has raised his average over .300 and his OPS over .800. A third round draft pick in 2019, he started the season at Dunedin, seems a good bet to reach NH next year. What he is really known for is speed. He's perhaps the fastest player in the entire system, and is being groomed for CF. At the very least, he could assume a utility role like Zimmer or Bradley Jr. Currently the team's #30 prospect on MLB Pipeline.

Brown is an elite athlete. His speed is unmatched in the organization and is one of the best speed tools in Minor League Baseball. This also allows Brown to be one of the top defenders in the organization, covering any ground necessary with a natural, quick jump. Brown’s throwing arm had a unique motion when the Blue Jays drafted him, but he makes it work and has smoothed it out over the past two years. The exit velocity readings on Brown show that he can certainly be more than a slap-and-sprint hitter, so the Blue Jays are excited to see what he’s capable of if he can improve his pitch selection and contact rates.

If Brown can put the ball in play consistently, he becomes one of the highest-upside prospects in this entire organization. That’s no simple task, though, and Brown will be tested by more advanced pitching as he advances. He has done a better job of reaching base at Single-A and High-A in 2022, making it a little easier to see how he’ll squeeze out enough offensive value to help a Major League club someday.


2. Gabriel Martinez. Also just 20, a right fielder with more pop, he's the team's ninth ranked prospect on MLB pipeline, and has done exceedingly well at Vancouver so far after following Brown from DUN. As this profile notes, he has to be added to the 40 man roster this year, and I assume they will do so, just in case some truly crappy team like PIT wants to take a stab at a stash and wait. Small sample, but he's hitting .318 with an .858 OPS at Vancouver, with 15 K in 97 plate appearances.

Standing at 6-foot, 170 pounds, Martinez shows an impressive ability to put the bat on the ball, sometimes going outside the zone to do so. Even then, he posts lower swinging-strike rates than most teenagers, and when he does make contact, he’s maxed out at 108.8 mph exit velocity, right up there with some Major Leaguers already. He’s likely to settle into just average power in the end, but combine that with a decent hit tool and there’s a solid offensive profile in the making here.

Martinez has split time between left and right field with Dunedin, and he’ll only continue to project as a corner outfielder with average at best speed as he matures. Now that he’s established a base full-season level of performance in his age-19 season, Martinez’s bat could push him into Toronto’s outfield picture within the next few years. He needs to be added to the 40-man roster this offseason, or else be risked in the Rule 5 Draft, so that could affect his timeline.


This has to be by (Shatkin's) design. They don't give much priority to OF defense and prefers to draft position players high up on the defense spectrum (i.e. infielders first), with some exceptions of course. They probably judged that OF talent in MLB is abundant that you can easily trade for one or sign in FA (which they did with Teo and Springer)
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Re: 2022 Minor League/Prospects Discussion Thread 

Post#644 » by dagger » Sun Sep 11, 2022 10:37 pm

The lower level minor leagues are wrapping up their seasons now, while AA and AAA continues on a couple more weeks. So it's not totally surprising that the Jays would move someone up to New Hampshire for a few extra ABs or innings thrown. But this caught me by surprise.

19 year old Robert Robertis spent most of the summer in the Rookie League. Playing in his first game for New Hampshire, he had his first homer of the season. He also had a double. If he retires after this game, his AA BA is .500 with a .2000 OPS. I have no idea what this means or portends. He is a left-handed batter, so points for that in this organization. Venezuelan born.

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Re: 2022 Minor League/Prospects Discussion Thread 

Post#645 » by dagger » Wed Sep 14, 2022 4:58 pm

Picking up on Dasan Brown and Robert Robertis. The former has three homers in two playoff games, and Robertis had a playoff homer last night. Brown turning up the power would make him a really interesting prospect, because as noted above, he's already lightning fast and a good contact hitter.

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Re: 2022 Minor League/Prospects Discussion Thread 

Post#646 » by dagger » Wed Sep 14, 2022 5:05 pm

DelAbbot wrote:This has to be by (Shatkin's) design. They don't give much priority to OF defense and prefers to draft position players high up on the defense spectrum (i.e. infielders first), with some exceptions of course. They probably judged that OF talent in MLB is abundant that you can easily trade for one or sign in FA (which they did with Teo and Springer)


Certainly drafting so many "shortstops" has been a clear plan, but when it comes to the OF, Springer is turning 33, and Teo is going to become progressively more expensive to keep, and his work in the outfield is, well, an adventure.The team can trade assets or pay top dollar in free agency to replace them, but developing a controllable guy who is a plus defender who can produce some offensively to eventually replace Springer would be a big plus. Certainly, Brown could be that guy. I don't know much about Robertis except that he has played all three outfield positions in Rookie ball.
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Re: 2022 Minor League/Prospects Discussion Thread 

Post#647 » by dagger » Wed Sep 14, 2022 7:03 pm

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DelAbbot wrote:This has to be by (Shatkin's) design. They don't give much priority to OF defense and prefers to draft position players high up on the defense spectrum (i.e. infielders first), with some exceptions of course. They probably judged that OF talent in MLB is abundant that you can easily trade for one or sign in FA (which they did with Teo and Springer)


Certainly drafting so many "shortstops" has been a clear plan, but when it comes to the OF, Springer is turning 33, and Teo is going to become progressively more expensive to keep, and his work in the outfield is, well, an adventure.The team can trade assets or pay top dollar in free agency to replace them, but developing a controllable guy who is a plus defender who can produce some offensively to eventually replace Springer would be a big plus. Certainly, Brown could be that guy. I don't know much about Robertis except that he has played all three outfield positions in Rookie ball.

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Re: 2022 Minor League/Prospects Discussion Thread 

Post#648 » by DelAbbot » Wed Sep 14, 2022 7:21 pm

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DelAbbot wrote:This has to be by (Shatkin's) design. They don't give much priority to OF defense and prefers to draft position players high up on the defense spectrum (i.e. infielders first), with some exceptions of course. They probably judged that OF talent in MLB is abundant that you can easily trade for one or sign in FA (which they did with Teo and Springer)


Certainly drafting so many "shortstops" has been a clear plan, but when it comes to the OF, Springer is turning 33, and Teo is going to become progressively more expensive to keep, and his work in the outfield is, well, an adventure.The team can trade assets or pay top dollar in free agency to replace them, but developing a controllable guy who is a plus defender who can produce some offensively to eventually replace Springer would be a big plus. Certainly, Brown could be that guy. I don't know much about Robertis except that he has played all three outfield positions in Rookie ball.

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Re: 2022 Minor League/Prospects Discussion Thread 

Post#651 » by DelAbbot » Fri Sep 16, 2022 7:42 pm

Moreno learning OF better be a backup plan. Moving him there permanently for anyone (including Kirk) would be stupid
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Post#652 » by tb40 » Fri Sep 16, 2022 10:26 pm

LJ Talley out of the woodwork at Buffalo. Anyone with any info/opinions about the kid?
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Post#653 » by Fairview4Life » Sat Sep 17, 2022 2:17 am

DelAbbot wrote:Moreno learning OF better be a backup plan. Moving him there permanently for anyone (including Kirk) would be stupid


If we pinch run with Zimmer or whoever we might need to pinch hit with Moreno later and if he can play outfield defense it gives us a bit more flexibility.
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Post#654 » by polo007 » Sat Sep 17, 2022 6:42 pm

tb40 wrote:LJ Talley out of the woodwork at Buffalo. Anyone with any info/opinions about the kid?

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Post#655 » by tb40 » Sat Sep 17, 2022 11:49 pm

Thanks polo.

From that brief clip it looks like he has a real smooth lefty swing. Impressive bat speed.

Let's see if he fits in the jays plans anywhere.
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Post#656 » by dagger » Sun Sep 18, 2022 12:52 am

Sem Robberse with his best double A start. 6 innings, 3 hits, an unearned run and nine strikeouts. Retired the last 13 batters he faced.

He will endeavour to add a couple of ticks to his velocity in the off-season.

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Post#657 » by dagger » Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:29 pm

The Jays Arizona Fall League assignees

Blue Jays (Salt River): Addison Barger, 3B/SS (No. 14); Tanner Morris, INF (No. 19); Zach Britton, OF; Hagen Danner, RHP; Hunter Gregory, RHP; Anders Tolhurst, RHP

The Toronto contingent should give the Rafters some heft on the dirt this autumn. Barger, a sixth-round pick in 2018, has enjoyed a breakout season at High-A and Double-A where improved swing decisions have helped him tap into above-average power more regularly. Morris, who has been on the injured list since early August, got off to a rough start at Triple-A Buffalo but still showed a good enough approach to walk as much as he struck out at the Minors’ top level. Keep an eye on Danner. The catcher-turned-pitcher can touch the upper-90s and show off an above-average slider but was limited to four Double-A appearances with a lat injury.
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Post#659 » by dagger » Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:23 pm

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This year, the Buffalo rotation was cobbled together by non prospects like Hatch and oldsters like Casey Lawrence. The Bisons defaulted to a lot of openers, especially after the trad deadline. Yes, Pearson and Anthony Kay had long injury/illness absences. Next season, they could start Tiedemann, Robberse and Robbins, which will be much more interesting.


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Re: 2022 Minor League/Prospects Discussion Thread 

Post#660 » by dagger » Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:29 pm

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tb40 wrote:LJ Talley out of the woodwork at Buffalo. Anyone with any info/opinions about the kid?


Also, Davis Schneider,a 23 year old 2B who played at three levels and raised some eyebrows, ended at BUF. unlike Talley, he was not a high draft pick. I believe he was drafted in one of the late rounds. The Jays have a few of these types who are not A list or B list prospects but could slide into someone else’s major league roster at some point.


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