Eurobasket 2022 Finals : SPAIN are European champions!!!

knicksfan974 · Post #881 » by **knicksfan974** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:33 am

I am certain that Spain would have found decent spanish guards to play for their national team, after all it is a huge basketball country. Why the Spanish federation was so scared and desperate to win, so that they decided to bring in Brown anyway? This championship could have been super special if only they would have achieved with their own countrymen, but now, nothing but meh. Just think about, going all the way against Jokic, Giannis, Doncic etc, lead by Hernangomez brothers. But now all we have is just another asterisk championship.

knicksfan974 · Post #882 » by **knicksfan974** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:44 am

Taikuri wrote:
donkki wrote:I believe this is somewhat false. He might not have lived in France (this I do not know for sure), but he has, at least to my knowledge, actual ties to France, has close family living there etc. Definitely not the same case as for example Lorenzo Brown. To my understanding France has no history of signing foreigner mercenaries, as they have such great talent pool themselves. I for one do not classify Embiid as a merc. Dude will fit flawlessy with the French team (language-, culture- and basketball skillset-wise) and will lift them to be one of the bigger favorites for the '23 World Cup and the '24 Olympics.

So with that same logic of your's any Canadian who speaks French and whose grand dad lives in France, but that grand dad doesn't have French nationality. Now his Canadian grand son can play for France, because the grand son speaks French? Now he fits team France flawlessly? Tell me the difference with this and your theory on the connection Embiid has with France.

Here you are assuming that none of Embiid's close relatives who are living in France do not have French citizenship. This I do not know, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did have French citizenship. I'm not saying that all of this Embiid naturalization stuff comes without any issues, but I have seen worst.

Profanity · Post #883 » by **Profanity** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:15 am

Yeah, of the zillions medals Spain got the last 20 years most of them come with an asterisk.
No, I’m no butthurt.
Maybe a little bit.
And my bitterness is not because of jealousy and frustration, surely is because crow meat was spoiled.

Boys… be a sore loser is not something cool, believe me

LuDux1 · Post #884 » by **LuDux1** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:53 am

edededtut · Post #885 » by **edededtut** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:34 am

Hellcrooner wrote:
Taikuri wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:I am a bit embarrassed about Lorenzo Brown playing for us, but it doesn't make it less amazing. Scariolo is such a great coach, I'm happy especially for him and Rudy, what a career.

What would have happened in the Finland vs Spain game if Lorenzo Brown played for Finland? I think that Finland would win that game. TBH in that case it would have been Lithuania vs Finland game in the quarterfinals when the real MVP of Spain wouldn't have played for Spain in the opening round of the playoffs.

I think tou need to get to robaniemi. And ask santa for a truckload of scottex por you Will sink finland un te baltic with your sobre tears itvwas Díaz the key man that sank finland btw. Si un tour mumi mouse scenaruos you hace to blame llul forvgetting injured and opening a spot for him

this was probably the best post so far about Lorenzo Brown. By the way scottex is not a brand available in Finland, so Santa might be in trouble with finding the product.

Congrats to Spain, incredible tournament. Especially considering playing with basically a completely new team with relatively inexperienced players (at least on national team level). Scariolo might just be some kind of wizard.

txusto · Post #886 » by **txusto** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:36 am

Refurbished Spanish All-time Team

Lorenzo Brown
Chicho Sibilio
Wayne Brabender
Nikola Mirotic
Clifford Luyk

Mike Smith
Johnny Rogers
Serge Ibaka
Juan Domingo de la Cruz
Chuck Kornegay

Too many PFs and just one guard, but Scariolo would make this team a contender.

davidfr94 · Post #887 » by **davidfr94** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:55 am

Salieri wrote:
Doranku wrote:Some people think the Gobert acquisition makes the Wolves contenders.

Hopefully the Wolves have a better coach than France. This was disgraceful at times. Forcing Gobert to create is setting him up for failure.

Meanwhile, every spanish player looked brilliant because they were put in a position to succeed. Coaching matters, and Scariolo just put on a clinic for the world to see.

Honestly Gobert was our best player during the tournament. His defensive impact is just monstruous. Players were missing layups just because he was near them. He also had some greats Plays. Even offensively his presence forces players to stay close to him. He just needs to play with good offensive players (like in minessota) and for a coach that know how to use him.

Even if he Plays 25 MPG, he can have a Big impact for the wolves.

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SkyhookinUrMom · Post #888 » by **SkyhookinUrMom** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:59 am

Best team won

Your tears here please -> \___/

sisibilio · Post #889 » by **sisibilio** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:06 am

donkki wrote:I am certain that Spain would have found decent spanish guards to play for their national team, after all it is a huge basketball country. Why the Spanish federation was so scared and desperate to win, so that they decided to bring in Brown anyway? T

With Rubio, Alocen and Llull injured, and Sergio Rodriguez retired from NT duties, there weren't many options left. Guillem Vives was out for personal reasons also, and Quino Colom has officially been reclaimed by father time.
Bringing Nuñez to this tournament would've been a disaster, he's still has a long way to be ready.

DrPampiloni · Post #890 » by **DrPampiloni** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:12 pm

sisibilio wrote:
donkki wrote:I am certain that Spain would have found decent spanish guards to play for their national team, after all it is a huge basketball country. Why the Spanish federation was so scared and desperate to win, so that they decided to bring in Brown anyway? T

With Rubio, Alocen and Llull injured, and Sergio Rodriguez retired from NT duties, there weren't many options left. Guillem Vives was out for personal reasons also, and Quino Colom has officially been reclaimed by father time.
Bringing Nuñez to this tournament would've been a disaster, he's still has a long way to be ready.

Again, all this can be argued by many other teams. Everybody has multiple devastating injuries (Gallinari, Moritz Wagner, etc, etc, etc)

Anyway, I am at peace after the final. At least Spain played proper team basketball, besides being the usual cheats. France was intolerable: one thing is to live on borrowed time and acknowledge it, another is to act super-duper cocky about being in the final by virtue of a series of miracles.

Hellcrooner · Post #891 » by **Hellcrooner** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 1:12 pm

Lets Play the Asterix Game

1992 * ( patrick ewing Kingston JAMAICA )
1994* (Nique Wilkins Paris FRANCE)
1996* ( Hakeem Olajuwon Lagos NIGERIA )
2008* (Carlos Boozer Aschaffenburg, GERMANY)
2016* (K Irving Melbourne AUSTRALIA)

SUCK IT

Spain won.
The best TEAM won.
End of the story.

Crunch 99 · Post #892 » by **Crunch 99** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 2:39 pm

Where was Batum? Juancho doesn't go off for 27 points if Batum plays.

BUANIX · Post #893 » by **BUANIX** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 2:58 pm

Let’s make it easier.

Everybody knew about Lorenzo playing with Spain NT over 2 months ago. And assuming that, none considered the Spaniards as real contenders.

It was 8-9 in the power rankings!

Why lorenzo makes NOW the difference and not before ? It is Lorenzo making Spain special or Spain making Lorenzo Special…??

Spain have played and incredible team basketball on both sides , sharing minutes , changing systems, assisting , getting turnovers, finding free shooters .

It has been a total masterclass of what basketball really is

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lambchop · Post #894 » by **lambchop** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:01 pm

Hellcrooner wrote:Lets Play the Asterix Game

1992 * ( patrick ewing Kingston JAMAICA )
1994* (Nique Wilkins Paris FRANCE)
1996* ( Hakeem Olajuwon Lagos NIGERIA )
2008* (Carlos Boozer Aschaffenburg, GERMANY)
2016* (K Irving Melbourne AUSTRALIA)

SUCK IT

Spain won.
The best TEAM won.
End of the story.

Oh boy this comparison is about as bad as it gets. Comparing Kyrie and Boozer to someone who doesn't even speak Spanish? Come on now, you can do better than that. You also know very well that's not how citizenship works. You're acting like Team USA had to ask the POTUS to give Kyrie a green card so that he could play, otherwise Kyrie would have been playing with Delly.

Anyway, guys need to chill with Lorenzo Brown. More teams will continue to get American players to boost their squads. Serbia is the only team I don't see doing it, but I could be wrong.

Congrats for winning the title, Spain, and congrats on a great basketball summer for the country overall. These guys produce passionate ballers, no doubt.

Pachinko_ · Post #895 » by **Pachinko_** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:08 pm

Main thing is, more people are going to watch the next one, because this one was good. The WC is gonna be fantastic (if FIBA doesn't somehow manage to eliminate all the good teams lol)

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Frichuela · Post #896 » by **Frichuela** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:36 pm

DrPampiloni wrote:
sisibilio wrote:
donkki wrote:I am certain that Spain would have found decent spanish guards to play for their national team, after all it is a huge basketball country. Why the Spanish federation was so scared and desperate to win, so that they decided to bring in Brown anyway? T

With Rubio, Alocen and Llull injured, and Sergio Rodriguez retired from NT duties, there weren't many options left. Guillem Vives was out for personal reasons also, and Quino Colom has officially been reclaimed by father time.
Bringing Nuñez to this tournament would've been a disaster, he's still has a long way to be ready.

Again, all this can be argued by many other teams. Everybody has multiple devastating injuries (Gallinari, Moritz Wagner, etc, etc, etc)

Anyway, I am at peace after the final. At least Spain played proper team basketball, besides being the usual cheats. France was intolerable: one thing is to live on borrowed time and acknowledge it, another is to act super-duper cocky about being in the final by virtue of a series of miracles.

Honestly, can you enlighten the forum on why Spain are (the usual) cheats? There are some sore losers out there, that is a fact...

Spain won fair and square and playing TEAM basketball while others played ISO basketball, catered to satisfy the ego of their NBA stars.

RiRuHoops · Post #897 » by **RiRuHoops** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:15 pm

BUANIX wrote:Let’s make it easier.

Everybody knew about Lorenzo playing with Spain NT over 2 months ago. And assuming that, none considered the Spaniards as real contenders.

It was 8-9 in the power rankings!

Why lorenzo makes NOW the difference and not before ? It is Lorenzo making Spain special or Spain making Lorenzo Special…??

Spain have played and incredible team basketball on both sides , sharing minutes , changing systems, assisting , getting turnovers, finding free shooters .

It has been a total masterclass of what basketball really is

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Exactly, even during group stages there were people giving Spain no chance, calling their roster not good enough anymore. I guess now instead of eating crow they cry about being cheated.

Fiba rules allow for it. I guess they want to increase the quality of their tournaments by allowing teams to add players to cover holes on their teams. Any team can take advantage of the rule. If you think it's not for you then ride your high horse with pride and in silence please. Stop being sour losers. I don't remember people crying when Slovenia won with Magic Randolph on their team. I guess people were too busy washing Luka's balls.

Also I am happy for Lorenzo. This tournament was clearly the pinnacle and the biggest stage of his journey man career. It's not like he basked in glory all those years. Let the guy have his moment, sour losers.

Hellcrooner · Post #898 » by **Hellcrooner** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:26 pm

i wonder what would happen if some day a lorenzo brown decided to take fiba to the courts because the " only one naturalized player" rule is actaully illegal.
Asi in when a ceratatin Bosman took uefa /fifa to court because their deyning of being free to work wherever in the european union agaisnt the actual law of the EU.

Some people may suffer a meltdown.

In the end does not make sense that for years spain couldnt use ibaka and mirotic at the same time while they could run for president and vicepresident of the country.

btw, being able to use BOTH at the same time would probably changed the colour of some of spains medals to a brighter one.

but the haters , tired of spain steamrolling for 2 decades now wont talk about that.

Post #899 » by **Mavrelous** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:34 pm

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Mirotic12 · Post #900 » by **Mirotic12** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:41 pm

UcanUwill wrote:Hes been one of my favorite players for years. I do wonder what all these conflicts are all about, it keeps following him, it is very disappointing to me as huge fan, it sucks when you find out your guy is an a**hole

His passing and vision is very underrated. People keep saying that he is shoot first PG, but is he. He is definitely shoot first PG in a pick and roll situations, but he is so good at that. I used to say he is probably the best pick and roll PG in Euroleague, and its not even because of his passing, just finishing, though is passing is also good.
It is ironic to say, cause Saras the coach hated him, but Thomas the players has a lot of Saras the player, in him. He is closest thing to Jasikevicius in my opinion. Dude is just decent, maybe not NBA material, he really lacks ISO skills and athleticism to fare well in the NBA, but man is so good for a PG at the level he plays.

Who will be new European champion?