ESPN 2022 player rankings(Pascal #30 FVV #38 Scottie #39)

[OakleyDokely]

Do you see the next vote total above him? It's about twice as many more votes than pascal got..

Its great that he made 3rd all nba team but were talking about the guy who literally was the last guy on the list by more than half the amount of votes..

And when you factor things like if it were open position voting (lavine/beal) and injuries (zion) .. it's pretty clear he pascal isn't all nba.

The "30 is low for an all nba player" argument is a lazy one

Did you even read through the link on the tweet you posted?

Lavine and Beal received exactly 0 votes. Fred got more all-NBA votes (1) than Lavine/Beal combined.

That's the point.. if it were open position voting pascal would be behind lavine and Beal... and if you'd debate pascal is better than lavine or Beal then thats the same reason you're riled up he's at 30 right now.. homerism

Lavine and Beal are better, if you completely disregard one end of the court.

[ruckus]

Do you see the next vote total above him? It's about twice as many more votes than pascal got..

Its great that he made 3rd all nba team but were talking about the guy who literally was the last guy on the list by more than half the amount of votes..

And when you factor things like if it were open position voting (lavine/beal) and injuries (zion) .. it's pretty clear he pascal isn't all nba.

The "30 is low for an all nba player" argument is a lazy one

Did you even read through the link on the tweet you posted?

Lavine and Beal received exactly 0 votes. Fred got more all-NBA votes (1) than Lavine/Beal combined.

That's the point.. if it were open position voting pascal would be behind lavine and Beal... and if you'd debate pascal is better than lavine or Beal then thats the same reason you're riled up he's at 30 right now.. homerism

I'd be interested to see what your basing that evaluation on. If we're looking at 21-22 solely, there are very few arguments to be made that Lavine and Beal had better seasons than Pascal.

[OakleyDokely]

Did you even read through the link on the tweet you posted?

Lavine and Beal received exactly 0 votes. Fred got more all-NBA votes (1) than Lavine/Beal combined.

That's the point.. if it were open position voting pascal would be behind lavine and Beal... and if you'd debate pascal is better than lavine or Beal then thats the same reason you're riled up he's at 30 right now.. homerism

I'd be interested to see what your basing that evaluation on. If we're looking at 21-22 solely, there are very few arguments to be made that Lavine and Beal had better seasons than Pascal.

Beal was worse than Siakam offensively and defensively. Beal put up a 53 TS% with below average defense. He just wasn't very good.

Lavine posted better offensive efficiency than Siakam, but was worse in almost every other aspect of the game.

[Scott Hall]

- Siakam is a "fringe" All-Star he's made the team once in his 6 year career. What is there about 12 players
on each All-Star team so 24 players? there's a couple of guys on the list he's better then that are ahead of
him but he's pretty much in the 25-30 range.

- Cade and Mobley ahead of Scottie makes zero sense I would expect that take from Twitter trolls but not
a bunch of analysts. Actually I shouldn't be that surprised since a lot of people in league offices are incompetent
so not surprising American media is as well. Not only was Scottie better statistically then Cade and Mobley he's more
versatile and can play more positions also he was the biggest factor from a team that was a lottery team the year
before that lost it's franchise icon and making them a top 5 seed in the East. Oh yeah he also out performed them
statistically and won Rookie of the Year... make it make sense? other then salty American media can't get over
the fact that he is this good. Also can't believe our own fanbase on here thinks he's rated to high? lol wtf?

- OG 75th? I know he was disappointing last year and can never stay healthy but still ridiculous. Westbrook
ranked higher? lmao oh yeah I just wish we had Westbrook over OG lmao

- Also Gary Trent not a top 100 player? do these guys follow analytics? I'm not wasting my time looking at that
list again but off memory Bogdonavic was ranked 100th who in their right mind would take him over Trent Jr.???

[OakleyDokely]

- Siakam is a "fringe" All-Star he's made the team once in his 6 year career. What is there about 12 players
on each All-Star team so 24 players? there's a couple of guys on the list he's better then that are ahead of
him but he's pretty much in the 25-30 range.

- Cade and Mobley ahead of Scottie makes zero sense I would expect that take from Twitter trolls but not
a bunch of analysts. Actually I shouldn't be that surprised since a lot of people in league offices are incompetent
so not surprising American media is as well. Not only was Scottie better statistically then Cade and Mobley he's more
versatile and can play more positions also he was the biggest factor from a team that was a lottery team the year
before that lost it's franchise icon and making them a top 5 seed in the East. Oh yeah he also out performed them
statistically and won Rookie of the Year... make it make sense? other then salty American media can't get over
the fact that he is this good. Also can't believe our own fanbase on here thinks he's rated to high? lol wtf?

- OG 75th? I know he was disappointing last year and can never stay healthy but still ridiculous

- Also Gary Trent not a top 100 player? do these guys follow analytics? I'm not wasting my time looking at that
list again but off memory Bogdonavic was ranked 100th who in their right mind would take him over Trent Jr.???

There's a reason why the Raptors have gone over on their w/l total in 10 of the last 11 years, it's because the American media/fans consistently underrate their talent.

Just keep betting the over.

[ForeverTFC]

Even the biggest Siakam hater should admit he's top 25. FVV ok where he is but Smart better ranked? Give me a break. Scottie/Mobley way too high and the biggest joke of all is Cade somehow ranking better than both of them.

[Spida888]

The list is all over the place, not too concerned about it. When rookies that haven't even played an actual NBA game yet is somehow on this best players list, that's not a good sign.

[Live Free]

- Siakam is a "fringe" All-Star he's made the team once in his 6 year career. What is there about 12 players
on each All-Star team so 24 players? there's a couple of guys on the list he's better then that are ahead of
him but he's pretty much in the 25-30 range.

- Cade and Mobley ahead of Scottie makes zero sense I would expect that take from Twitter trolls but not
a bunch of analysts. Actually I shouldn't be that surprised since a lot of people in league offices are incompetent
so not surprising American media is as well. Not only was Scottie better statistically then Cade and Mobley he's more
versatile and can play more positions also he was the biggest factor from a team that was a lottery team the year
before that lost it's franchise icon and making them a top 5 seed in the East. Oh yeah he also out performed them
statistically and won Rookie of the Year... make it make sense? other then salty American media can't get over
the fact that he is this good. Also can't believe our own fanbase on here thinks he's rated to high? lol wtf?

- OG 75th? I know he was disappointing last year and can never stay healthy but still ridiculous

- Also Gary Trent not a top 100 player? do these guys follow analytics? I'm not wasting my time looking at that
list again but off memory Bogdonavic was ranked 100th who in their right mind would take him over Trent Jr.???

There's a reason why the Raptors have gone over on their w/l total in 10 of the last 11 years, it's because the American media/fans consistently underrate their talent.

Just keep betting the over.

I cash on the raps over again and again.. but I'm not naive enough to know Bradley beal and Zach lavine are better than Pascal.

That whole American media don't know anything canada narrative is played out man.

[Live Free]

Did you even read through the link on the tweet you posted?

Lavine and Beal received exactly 0 votes. Fred got more all-NBA votes (1) than Lavine/Beal combined.

That's the point.. if it were open position voting pascal would be behind lavine and Beal... and if you'd debate pascal is better than lavine or Beal then thats the same reason you're riled up he's at 30 right now.. homerism

Lavine and Beal are better, if you completely disregard one end of the court.

Gimme lavine or Bradley any day brother

[OakleyDokely]

- Siakam is a "fringe" All-Star he's made the team once in his 6 year career. What is there about 12 players
on each All-Star team so 24 players? there's a couple of guys on the list he's better then that are ahead of
him but he's pretty much in the 25-30 range.

- Cade and Mobley ahead of Scottie makes zero sense I would expect that take from Twitter trolls but not
a bunch of analysts. Actually I shouldn't be that surprised since a lot of people in league offices are incompetent
so not surprising American media is as well. Not only was Scottie better statistically then Cade and Mobley he's more
versatile and can play more positions also he was the biggest factor from a team that was a lottery team the year
before that lost it's franchise icon and making them a top 5 seed in the East. Oh yeah he also out performed them
statistically and won Rookie of the Year... make it make sense? other then salty American media can't get over
the fact that he is this good. Also can't believe our own fanbase on here thinks he's rated to high? lol wtf?

- OG 75th? I know he was disappointing last year and can never stay healthy but still ridiculous

- Also Gary Trent not a top 100 player? do these guys follow analytics? I'm not wasting my time looking at that
list again but off memory Bogdonavic was ranked 100th who in their right mind would take him over Trent Jr.???

There's a reason why the Raptors have gone over on their w/l total in 10 of the last 11 years, it's because the American media/fans consistently underrate their talent.

Just keep betting the over.

I cash on the raps over again and again.. but I'm not naive enough to know Bradley beal and Zach lavine are better than Pascal.

That whole American media don't know anything canada narrative is played out man.

If Americans properly rated the Raptors, their w/l total wouldn't be consistently low.

You overrate Beal and lavine by the way. This list isnt the "flashy scorers only" list.

[Live Free]

Did you even read through the link on the tweet you posted?

Lavine and Beal received exactly 0 votes. Fred got more all-NBA votes (1) than Lavine/Beal combined.

That's the point.. if it were open position voting pascal would be behind lavine and Beal... and if you'd debate pascal is better than lavine or Beal then thats the same reason you're riled up he's at 30 right now.. homerism

I'd be interested to see what your basing that evaluation on. If we're looking at 21-22 solely, there are very few arguments to be made that Lavine and Beal had better seasons than Pascal.

My basis that I'd rank Bradley Beal/Zach Lavine over siakam? I watch and follow the NBA

[OakleyDokely]

That's the point.. if it were open position voting pascal would be behind lavine and Beal... and if you'd debate pascal is better than lavine or Beal then thats the same reason you're riled up he's at 30 right now.. homerism

Lavine and Beal are better, if you completely disregard one end of the court.

Gimme lavine or Bradley any day brother

I could only imagine the board reaction here if Siakam put up a 53 TS% with below average defense like Beal did last year...

[billy_hoyle]

This is predictive guys.

It's what people think will happen THIS year. Last year doesn't mean everything. It's not a list of who was best last year.
To me it looks like they think Scottie will cannibalize some of Pascal's production/impact.

I think that's a legitimate guess.

Sometime guys take a giant production leap as sophomores, sometimes it's in their third year. I'm not sure when these guys will pop, but Scottie, Cade and Mobley are all high ceiling talents. They could all be top 5 players IMO. So, this seems like a hedge on a second year spike to me.

[Live Free]

Lavine and Beal are better, if you completely disregard one end of the court.

Gimme lavine or Bradley any day brother

I could only imagine the board reaction here if Siakam put up a 53 TS% with below average defense like Beal did last year...

Honestly when healthy Beal was dominating the league.. granted the wizards suck but he lead the league in scoring and averaged about 9 ast

I could never see a scenario where pascal leads the league in anything.

[Duffman100]

Gimme lavine or Bradley any day brother

I could only imagine the board reaction here if Siakam put up a 53 TS% with below average defense like Beal did last year...

Honestly when healthy Beal was dominating the league.. granted the wizards suck but he lead the league in scoring and averaged about 9 ast

I could never see a scenario where pascal leads the league in anything.

You watch and follow the NBA. Have a solid grasp on value players have. But you measure them by 'leading the NBA in something?'.

All advanced metrics have Siakam as much more valuable than Lavine or Beal. It's not close. You're so off base on this it's incredible.

[links135]

What gets me is that they have Mobley and Cade FAR above Jarret Allen. And even Garland, both whom made the allstar team last year.

And it became pretty obvious when Allen was hurt that Mobley relied on Allen more than the other way around.

Plus both over Klay Thomson? I'm not even mad about them being above Barnes because it's by 1 spot, but over last years allstars seems like a stretch.

Regardless, with the Raps hopefully being fully healthy to start the season and actually developing chemistry over the summer with the Hines runs, unlike last year where either Pascal was hurt, or OG or FVV, Precious actually shooting well and some better shooting from Barnes i'd say the Raptors 5-man unit will matter more than any individual rank.

Even missing one key player matters. See Bulls without Ball. Dude was the glue for them, even with 2 top 30 players they got swept.

[pingpongrac]

Gimme lavine or Bradley any day brother

I could only imagine the board reaction here if Siakam put up a 53 TS% with below average defense like Beal did last year...

Honestly when healthy Beal was dominating the league.. granted the wizards suck but he lead the league in scoring and averaged about 9 ast

I could never see a scenario where pascal leads the league in anything.

What? Beal has never averaged anything close to 9 assists. His career-high before last season (in which he missed more than half of the year) was 6 APG in 19/20. He has also never led the league in scoring lol.

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[Duffman100]

I could only imagine the board reaction here if Siakam put up a 53 TS% with below average defense like Beal did last year...

Honestly when healthy Beal was dominating the league.. granted the wizards suck but he lead the league in scoring and averaged about 9 ast

I could never see a scenario where pascal leads the league in anything.

What? Beal has never averaged anything close to 9 assists. His career-high before last season (in which he missed more than half of the year) was 6 APG in 19/20. He has also never led the league in scoring lol.

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He has to be trolling.

[Joker]

Hey guys, it’s a ranking based on who’s projected to be the best this upcoming season. Number of all star appearances is moot, it’s how you’ve recently looked and are expected to play this season. And pascal has clearly recently looked and is expected to play like a top 15-20 player.

[Live Free]

Honestly when healthy Beal was dominating the league.. granted the wizards suck but he lead the league in scoring and averaged about 9 ast

I could never see a scenario where pascal leads the league in anything.

What? Beal has never averaged anything close to 9 assists. His career-high before last season (in which he missed more than half of the year) was 6 APG in 19/20. He has also never led the league in scoring lol.

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He has to be trolling.

??? How am I trolling... Curry beat out Beal for the scoring title averaging 31.8...Beal averaged 31.4 .. he didn't win it but he lead the league in scoring all year... last year he was shut down early but it was him and embiid leading the way.

Anyone that follows basketball knows how potent Beal has been.