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I can't wait for all his crying when no teams want to sign him. I can't even imagine what he will blame for that when it inevitably happens.

The key is, is Durant ready to move on from Irving? And are the Nets willing to rock his boat?

Otherwise, even if Kyrie doesn't end up with a full max, the Nets will be strongly incentivized to pay him quite a lot. At least they should be under no compunction to pay him if he decides to stay home this time.

I'm no capoligist, but the Nets are way over the salary cap. Even if Irving declines his option and they let him walk, I'm not sure they free up enough money to go out and sign a free agent. So, I don't see a path they could replace Irving with say Sexton. I also can't see the Cavs wanting to take Irving back let alone trying to pair him Garland, but I suppose a 3-way trade that lands Collin in Brooklyn might work and/or even be necessary due to the BYC in any S&T.

I think if Irving said all the right things in their meeting, he'd be getting paid. The money is entirely secondary except as inasmuch as it allows them to hedge their downside risk for his flakiness. If he had reassured them, then the hedge would've been more open to negotiation. Apparently, they wanted him to commit to taking the vaccine as a show of good faith, and he wouldn't.

[JonFromVA]

The newsfeed rumor is that the Knicks want to dump some players to free up $25M in cap space, which just so happens to be enough to make Collin happy and perhaps make the Cavs blink.

[toooskies]

The newsfeed rumor is that the Knicks want to dump some players to free up $25M in cap space, which just so happens to be enough to make Collin happy and perhaps make the Cavs blink.

... Except that money is almost certainly earmarked for Jalen Brunson.

[JonFromVA]

The newsfeed rumor is that the Knicks want to dump some players to free up $25M in cap space, which just so happens to be enough to make Collin happy and perhaps make the Cavs blink.

... Except that money is almost certainly earmarked for Jalen Brunson.

Dallas has a lot more reasons to overpay Brunson than we do Sexton ... and $25M probably doesn't get the Knicks a return call from Irving or Bridges.

[toooskies]

The newsfeed rumor is that the Knicks want to dump some players to free up $25M in cap space, which just so happens to be enough to make Collin happy and perhaps make the Cavs blink.

... Except that money is almost certainly earmarked for Jalen Brunson.

Dallas has a lot more reasons to overpay Brunson than we do Sexton ... and $25M probably doesn't get the Knicks a return call from Irving or Bridges.

Brunson isn't an RFA though, it's not Dallas's choice. Brunson's dad just got hired as a coach for the Knicks. The smoke there is real, even if it's the elder Brunson trying to leverage Dallas to pay his son.

Whether the Knicks turn around and offer that same money to Sexton (or Simons or whoever) if Brunson turns them down is a question. No idea even whether Sexton would be second on their list above Simons.

[JonFromVA]

... Except that money is almost certainly earmarked for Jalen Brunson.

Dallas has a lot more reasons to overpay Brunson than we do Sexton ... and $25M probably doesn't get the Knicks a return call from Irving or Bridges.

Brunson isn't an RFA though, it's not Dallas's choice. Brunson's dad just got hired as a coach for the Knicks. The smoke there is real, even if it's the elder Brunson trying to leverage Dallas to pay his son.

Whether the Knicks turn around and offer that same money to Sexton (or Simons or whoever) if Brunson turns them down is a question. No idea even whether Sexton would be second on their list above Simons.

Interesting stuff, but I could also see this as the younger Brunson leveraging the Knicks interest in him to get his father back in the league as an assistant.

Anyway, it seems pretty clear Collin isn't anybody's primary target, but free-agency doesn't go as planned for most teams. If all the right dominoes fall he could be somebody's starting PG getting his 25M, but if/when that long shot doesn't come to fruition I just hope he comes back to reality quickly.

In this day and age, I really expect the major free-agent moves to be colluded up-front, but I suppose players/teams have been known to change their mind at the last moment.

[Revenged25]

... Except that money is almost certainly earmarked for Jalen Brunson.

Dallas has a lot more reasons to overpay Brunson than we do Sexton ... and $25M probably doesn't get the Knicks a return call from Irving or Bridges.

Brunson isn't an RFA though, it's not Dallas's choice. Brunson's dad just got hired as a coach for the Knicks. The smoke there is real, even if it's the elder Brunson trying to leverage Dallas to pay his son.

Whether the Knicks turn around and offer that same money to Sexton (or Simons or whoever) if Brunson turns them down is a question. No idea even whether Sexton would be second on their list above Simons.

Considering Thibs loves efficient attacking guards that put pressure on opposing teams defenders and would probably believe he could develop Sexton to be a pre-injury Rose-lite type of player, I could definitely see Sexton being 2nd on their list.

[KuruptedCav]

... Except that money is almost certainly earmarked for Jalen Brunson.

Dallas has a lot more reasons to overpay Brunson than we do Sexton ... and $25M probably doesn't get the Knicks a return call from Irving or Bridges.

Brunson isn't an RFA though, it's not Dallas's choice. Brunson's dad just got hired as a coach for the Knicks. The smoke there is real, even if it's the elder Brunson trying to leverage Dallas to pay his son.

Whether the Knicks turn around and offer that same money to Sexton (or Simons or whoever) if Brunson turns them down is a question. No idea even whether Sexton would be second on their list above Simons.

Not sure if he’s be second, but I don’t think Portland hesitates at $25mil; while Cleveland May. Locking up your offer is always a dangerous game.


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[jbk1234]

Drummond just signed a two-year deal for $6.6M. I still can't believe he turned down a $20M per extension with us after getting traded for second round picks.

[jbk1234]

There are some insanely risky/bad decisions being made around the NBA right now.

The Dame extension, the Beal contract, Booker on a Supermax, the Wolves trading all that draft capital plus solid role players for Gobert, and now the Knicks are rumored to be willing to trade 5 firsts for Mitchell.

Murray and Mitchell only have two years left on their deals

[JujitsuFlip]

https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/nba-draft-first-round-picks-future-all-30-teams

Cavs ranked dead last in the NBA, in terms of future draft assets.

[JonFromVA]

https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/nba-draft-first-round-picks-future-all-30-teams

Cavs ranked dead last in the NBA, in terms of future draft assets.

Pretty brutal, but at least Ted Stepien wasn't cutting the deal.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/nba-draft-first-round-picks-future-all-30-teams

Cavs ranked dead last in the NBA, in terms of future draft assets.

Pretty brutal, but at least Ted Stepien wasn't cutting the deal.

Haha you got that right!

Teams have kind of circumvented that rule with pick swaps and trading rookie player rights (Walker Kessler most recently) or signing lottery picks to their rookie deal then trading them 30 days later (Wiggins and Agbaji).

[toooskies]

We can get out of last place if we miss the playoffs!

[ijspeelman]

We can get out of last place if we miss the playoffs!

We definitely have the players on the roster to trade for more picks.

I'm assuming Mobley and Garland can get 4-5 picks each. Allen could get between 2-3. If we wait until January 1st, we could trade Mitchell to the Knicks for 4-5 picks. That doesn't even include our other players.

I think by this time next year, we could win the pick championship with more than 17 picks!

[JujitsuFlip]

We can get out of last place if we miss the playoffs!

Mitchell by himself should be able to carry the Cavs to a first round exit. Without much depth though, hopefully Mitchell, Allen, and Mobley can maintain playing ~85% of the season and if Garland can bump up to play more than 73% of the season, Cavs should be in a good position.

[jbk1234]

The Jazz are already bringing Sexton off the bench.

[JujitsuFlip]

The Jazz are already bringing Sexton off the bench.

Lauri with that 20 & 10 though

[jbk1234]

The Jazz are already bringing Sexton off the bench.

Lauri with that 20 & 10 though

Yeah, there's a really good chance I'm going to be big mad about Lauri being included that trade instead of Love or LeVert.

[JujitsuFlip]

The Jazz are already bringing Sexton off the bench.

Lauri with that 20 & 10 though

Yeah, there's a really good chance I'm going to be big mad about Lauri being included that trade instead of Love or LeVert.

Guess we'll see how far the Cavs go, if it ends up in a ECF appearance or maybe a Finals appearance, might end up being worth it.