Trade Ideas for This Season

dr0welf · Post #841 » by **dr0welf** » Sat Sep 17, 2022 7:42 pm

I think its Conley, Bojan, Gay if for only 1 pick coming back. Beasley instead of Gay if 2 picks come back. IMHO

Gert42 · Post #842 » by **Gert42** » Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:15 pm

I think based on what happened last year, the Jazz may have a hard time moving Gay, if for no other reason the PO in 23-24.

I'm sure some teams may just think the whole thing in Utah was toxic, but if I'm another team if and I value another asset better than Gay, I'm asking for them first, and assume that Gay may get bought out before the season.

Precious and Zhaire I don't think would be moved for anyone on the Jazz short of Sexton and Lauri and even then it wouldn't work because of salaries. Both are already important parts of good rotations to be given up for two years of Clarkson in my opinion.

Hoops Addict · Post #843 » by **Hoops Addict** » Sat Sep 17, 2022 10:20 pm

dr0welf wrote:I think its Conley, Bojan, Gay if for only 1 pick coming back. Beasley instead of Gay if 2 picks come back. IMHO

iF SO, I would want the 2 picks.....we would be shipping out most of our veteran talent, except for Clarkson, which makes for a super tank. Trade Clarkson too. Tank for VW.

Hoops Addict · Post #844 » by **Hoops Addict** » Sat Sep 17, 2022 10:23 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
Hoops Addict wrote:Trade will be announced soon.

Lakers get - Bojan, Conley and Beasley.

Jazz get Westbrick, 1st round pick, and Wenyen

Russ will want to get bought out and sign with another team....no way he plays for Jazz.

Source?

I am not sure on the source, the graphic stating that trade was on a youtube video of a 40 something homie from LA.

Post #845 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 6:53 am

Hoops Addict wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:
Hoops Addict wrote:Trade will be announced soon.

Lakers get - Bojan, Conley and Beasley.

Jazz get Westbrick, 1st round pick, and Wenyen

Russ will want to get bought out and sign with another team....no way he plays for Jazz.

Source?

I am not sure on the source, the graphic stating that trade was on a youtube video of a 40 something homie from LA.

I tend to fall for those too. A few days ago I saw a video that said the Jazz traded Conley to the Nets for Irving and spent a half an hour looking for details because the video was 3 minutes old when I saw it and I thought things hadn't been widely published yet. Almost made a post about it...

Watch on YouTube

SoCalJazzFan · Post #846 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:32 am

^^I hate those headlines that look like a trade between teams just went down, then you click it just to see it is an idiot like one of us, although with a platform, merely proposing a trade.

Daddy 801 · Post #847 » by **Daddy 801** » Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:01 am

If the Lakers balk at making a trade with us I hope Ainge works a deal with the Pelicans. They have a bunch of swaps. The Jazz are so loaded with picks they could trade Bogey for Nance and some scrubs and bring a couple of those pick swaps back.

If Ainge was inclined to really blow it up he could trade Lauri, Sexton, Vanderbilt, etc to the Pels and try to get back that Laker pick that the team can choose to exercise in 24 or 25. What a sweet pick. I think the Lakers are going to absolutely suck in 2025.

Looking at the realgm draft future page makes me think the Pels might have the best combination of talent and picks in the next five years.

mg · Post #848 » by mg » Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:19 pm

Daddy 801 wrote:If the Lakers balk at making a trade with us I hope Ainge works a deal with the Pelicans. They have a bunch of swaps. The Jazz are so loaded with picks they could trade Bogey for Nance and some scrubs and bring a couple of those pick swaps back.

If Ainge was inclined to really blow it up he could trade Lauri, Sexton, Vanderbilt, etc to the Pels and try to get back that Laker pick that the team can choose to exercise in 24 or 25. What a sweet pick. I think the Lakers are going to absolutely suck in 2025.

Looking at the realgm draft future page makes me think the Pels might have the best combination of talent and picks in the next five years.

I think Ainge wanted Vandy, Sexton, Lauri, THT, etc. I can see them traded at some point in the future but for now they along with Agbaji and Kessler are likely the culture setters for this rebuild. They all have reps as good guys, hard worker types. I'm assuming they all won't be here in a few years but can understand why DA wants to set a culture here before *hopefully* drafting his Tatum type franchise player in the lottery like he did in Boston.. Having Marcus Smart types is important step in a rebuild or at least that's my read on the current situation. Maybe I'm wrong but after listening to DA it sounded like he didn't have a stomach for a total rebuild which would mean trading all these guys and starting from scratch with just draft picks.

As all this drags out I'm starting to lose faith that any more trades get done with the Lakers though maybe DA pulls a rabbit out of his hat again. My guess is Bog, JC, Beas get sent out in separate deals to contenders such as PHX, Mil, etc. We shall find out..

Catchall · Post #849 » by **Catchall** » Tue Sep 20, 2022 10:56 pm

Guys who haven't shown up in Utah (yet): Bojan Bogdanovic, Rudy Gay, Malik Beasley.

Incidentally, that's enough salary to trade for Westbrook.

Daddy 801 · Post #850 » by **Daddy 801** » Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:59 am

mg wrote:
Daddy 801 wrote:If the Lakers balk at making a trade with us I hope Ainge works a deal with the Pelicans. They have a bunch of swaps. The Jazz are so loaded with picks they could trade Bogey for Nance and some scrubs and bring a couple of those pick swaps back.

If Ainge was inclined to really blow it up he could trade Lauri, Sexton, Vanderbilt, etc to the Pels and try to get back that Laker pick that the team can choose to exercise in 24 or 25. What a sweet pick. I think the Lakers are going to absolutely suck in 2025.

Looking at the realgm draft future page makes me think the Pels might have the best combination of talent and picks in the next five years.

I think Ainge wanted Vandy, Sexton, Lauri, THT, etc. I can see them traded at some point in the future but for now they along with Agbaji and Kessler are likely the culture setters for this rebuild. They all have reps as good guys, hard worker types. I'm assuming they all won't be here in a few years but can understand why DA wants to set a culture here before *hopefully* drafting his Tatum type franchise player in the lottery like he did in Boston.. Having Marcus Smart types is important step in a rebuild or at least that's my read on the current situation. Maybe I'm wrong but after listening to DA it sounded like he didn't have a stomach for a total rebuild which would mean trading all these guys and starting from scratch with just draft picks.

As all this drags out I'm starting to lose faith that any more trades get done with the Lakers though maybe DA pulls a rabbit out of his hat again. My guess is Bog, JC, Beas get sent out in separate deals to contenders such as PHX, Mil, etc. We shall find out..

I agree 100%. I doubt DA moves the new "core" guys.

But man...that pick the Pels own where they can choose to draft in 24 or 25 is a crazy nice pick to have. Especially now that reports are coming out that the 24 draft may be the "double draft" with 18 year olds being allowed to enter the draft. I might rather have that one pick than both the Lakers 27 and 29 pick. It would be hard for me to decide.

zero24gravity · Post #851 » by **zero24gravity** » Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:57 pm

Catchall wrote:Guys who haven't shown up in Utah (yet): Bojan Bogdanovic, Rudy Gay, Malik Beasley.

Incidentally, that's enough salary to trade for Westbrook.

Interesting. Bogey is eye-opening to me. I really think he'd be here, not matter the rumors, if he didn't know something was up, regarding a trade. Beasley seems a bit odd, as well. Gay, well... I think he checked out of the Jazz last year, so that may or may not mean anything.

I'm also going to add that I'm happy that players like Conley and Clarkson (and Bogey) are the types of pros who will show up and not start sh*t, despite all the rumors. That can't be easy on them. It's a reason I'd actually like to see Conley stick around (with a lesser on-court role). Positive-Veteran presence for the young guys to sponge-up.

mg · Post #852 » by mg » Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:47 pm

zero24gravity wrote:
Catchall wrote:Guys who haven't shown up in Utah (yet): Bojan Bogdanovic, Rudy Gay, Malik Beasley.

Incidentally, that's enough salary to trade for Westbrook.

Interesting. Bogey is eye-opening to me. I really think he'd be here, not matter the rumors, if he didn't know something was up, regarding a trade. Beasley seems a bit odd, as well. Gay, well... I think he checked out of the Jazz last year, so that may or may not mean anything.

I'm also going to add that I'm happy that players like Conley and Clarkson (and Bogey) are the types of pros who will show up and not start sh*t, despite all the rumors. That can't be easy on them. It's a reason I'd actually like to see Conley stick around (with a lesser on-court role). Positive-Veteran presence for the young guys to sponge-up.

Agreed. Conley could potentially be a mentor not only for the guards but for the entire team. He's also owed guaranteed $ for 23-24 which is probably going to hurt his trade value too.

I wouldn't be surprised if Gay is ultimately just bought out if not included in a trade. I'm assuming some veteran team could maybe give him a vet min type deal and that money could be subtracted from the buyout amount. Boston just lost Gallo and the Heat lost Tucker this summer. Gay could serve as bench depth on either of those teams but his current contract is probably net negative value.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #853 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:34 pm

Catchall wrote:Guys who haven't shown up in Utah (yet): Bojan Bogdanovic, Rudy Gay, Malik Beasley.

Incidentally, that's enough salary to trade for Westbrook.

And, nearly all expiring deals so that the Lakers can chase a free agent next summer. The cancelled Hamm and Pelinka Lakers press conference yesterday creates even more smoke to the probable fire.

Post #854 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Wed Sep 21, 2022 6:26 pm

SoCalJazzFan wrote:And, nearly all expiring deals so that the Lakers can chase a free agent next summer. The cancelled Hamm and Pelinka Lakers press conference yesterday creates even more smoke to the probable fire.

Trading for Beverley and signing Schroder makes me think they have a deal in place for Westbrook. I don't know anything about why they cancelled the press conference but maybe they chose to do that because a deal is close.

Catchall · Post #855 » by **Catchall** » Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:58 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
SoCalJazzFan wrote:And, nearly all expiring deals so that the Lakers can chase a free agent next summer. The cancelled Hamm and Pelinka Lakers press conference yesterday creates even more smoke to the probable fire.

Trading for Beverley and signing Schroder makes me think they have a deal in place for Westbrook. I don't know anything about why they cancelled the press conference but maybe they chose to do that because a deal is close.

If they're going to trade Westbrook, they can delay their press conference until after the trade. Then they won't have to spend half their time explaining how they're going to use Westbrook, making a bunch of statements about how much they love him, which they'll just contradict next week.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #856 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:14 pm

Question: Would you take on Duncan Robinson's contract for Jovic and a 2023 FRP (Heat can't trade 2024-2027 picks due to a pick owed to OKC in 2025 or 2026)? If the pick was unprotected?

Scenario=

Jazz
out- Bogey, Gay, Clarkson, Beasely,
In- Westbrook, Lakers 2027 unprotected FRP, Lakers 2028 FRP swap, Suns protected 2024 FRP, Duncan Robinson, Jovic, Heat 2023 FRP

Suns
out- Crowder, Craig, 2024 FRP (protected)
in- Clarkson

Heat
out- Robinson, Jovic, 2023 FRP
In- Crowder, Gay

Lakers
out- Westbrook, 2027 FRP, 2028 FRP swap
In- Bogey, Beasely, Craig (all expiring)

zero24gravity · Post #857 » by **zero24gravity** » Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:35 pm

SoCalJazzFan wrote:Question: Would you take on Duncan Robinson's contract for Jovic and a 2023 FRP (Heat can't trade 2024-2027 picks due to a pick owed to OKC in 2025 or 2026)? If the pick was unprotected?

Scenario=

Jazz
out- Bogey, Gay, Clarkson, Beasely,
In- Westbrook, Lakers 2027 unprotected FRP, Lakers 2028 FRP swap, Suns protected 2024 FRP, Duncan Robinson, Jovic, Heat 2023 FRP

Suns
out- Crowder, Craig, 2024 FRP (protected)
in- Clarkson

Heat
out- Robinson, Jovic, 2023 FRP
In- Crowder, Gay

Lakers
out- Westbrook, 2027 FRP, 2028 FRP swap
In- Bogey, Beasely, Craig (all expiring)

For the Jazz... yeah, I can see this working for them. Robinson's contract is kinda ugly, but taking on salary that doesn't really help them win isn't the worst thing in the world, while most the team is on rookie deals. (They still have to meet the salary floor.) In a couple years, he becomes tradable as an expiring contract. From a roster standpoint, my only issue is, the Jazz need to cut back players, and this only drops one roster spot.

However, running it through the trade machine, it says it doesn't work. The Jazz are taking $6m too much salary.
So, if you add-in NAW to the Suns (who I think are getting the short-end in this offer), then it does work. (Perhaps the Suns toss the Jazz a 2nd round pick, as well.) It also opens up a second roster spot for Utah.

Post #858 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:18 am

I wouldn't hate it, but I'd rather to have the Lakers' 2029 unprotected pick instead of a swap in 2028. Taking Westbrook off their hands is a huge positive for the Lakers. Getting good players who can contribute and give them depth, and who can really help them is another huge get for them. For all that, and for essentially paying Westbrook $47M to not play for the Jazz (I'm assuming he'll be bought out) I'd want their two unprotected picks.

I really like Jovic, though.

zero24gravity · Post #859 » by **zero24gravity** » Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:51 pm

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2022/10/24/23421268/lakers-jazz-trade-rumors-reports-russell-westbrook-bojan-bogdanovic-jordan-clarkson-mike-conley

https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/jordan-clarkson-trade-rumor-lakers-russell-westbrook

https://clutchpoints.com/lakers-rumors-la-expected-to-circle-back-to-jazz-for-more-russell-westbrook-trade-talks-after-failed-negotiations/

No real info given in any of these articles, but they are a reminder that the organization is still eyeing the future, and we probably shouldn't get married to the team as currently constructed. 3-0 isn't going to change that. I do think they should be looking to the future, but that doesn't mean they have to get rid of all the vets, either. It's going to be an interesting season.

vryadli · Post #860 » by **vryadli** » Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:16 pm

zero24gravity wrote:3-0 isn't going to change that. I do think they should be looking to the future, but that doesn't mean they have to get rid of all the vets, either. It's going to be an interesting season.

Interesting. How many wins do change it for you?

And by the way, trading Clarkson is only going to bring more win.