Woj/Shams: Ime Udoka Suspended for 2022-23 Season - Inappropriate Relationship, Conduct Violations

[Nate505]

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Of course this dumbass toolbag had to weigh in.

Hey SAS you dumb ****...if there are plenty of white people out there doing the same thing, yet you don't see any info about them, how do you know there are plenty of white people out there doing the same thing?

[whatisacenter]

Have to say I don't understand the misogyny conclusion.

Definition of misogyny
: hatred of, aversion to, or prejudice against women

bradybunch wrote:
The bigger deal is the women cheating on their husbands.

Absolutely sickening.

I feel bad for the dudes that were cheated on.

However, they should thank Udoka for showing them their POS wives true colors.

I feel bad for young men that think they can find a decent woman in this day and age. If you're rich, good looking and packing, you can find a decent woman, but if you're a regular Joe, good damn luck.

I say suspend Udoka for 10 games, fire the women, and move on.

Strike 2 / blatant misogyny

[shakes0]

Sooooo you're saying in the history of the NBA, in which probably 90% of the coaches, executive, and owners have been white, you believe there's never been an instance where an member of the organization had a consensual relationship with a subordinate?

sorry, I need to see FACTS before I accept blatant race baiting as ok.

So you believe Stephen A should air out white executives and coaches to prove a point here?

absolutely. If you're going to race bait on national TV you most definitely better back it up with actual facts. especially in today's climate

And why would he take issue with naming names? he's a reporter. They literally get off on that ****. Especially if he is SOOO upset about the unfair treatment of Udoka. Seems like the perfect opportunity for him to engage in some prime time whataboutism.

[AbeVigodaLive]

of course he's wrong. he's a race baiting cvnt who should be fired/suspended for saying such blatant racist things on air.

Is Stephen A suggesting that there are multiple NBA coaches out here banging multiple wifes in their org?

And Doc Rivers who is probably one of the more in shape ones being a former player is stuck looking at Twitter for porn? Something doesn't add up.

I think he's saying there have been multiple coaches and executives who banged subordinates or associates of the organization and it's not newsworthy there so why here?

Maybe it depends how the organization handles it... or covers it up. As mentioned by others, there's RECENT precedence here. And it happened exactly one year ago.

The Timberwolves fired Gersson Rosas largely for a consensual affair with a staffer. The organization clearly wanted the information out there, whether it was inevitable or not.

We know how connected Woj/Shams are, so clearly this tidbit of news came from the Celtics. They wanted it out there. Perhaps it's because of the precedent set by the Wolves. Perhaps it's because of the hyper-sensitivity culture we live in. Perhaps because they secretly have other issues with Udoka. No idea.

Only that it wouldn't be unprecedented for a large suspension or firing to occur here.

[nikster]

Sooooo you're saying in the history of the NBA, in which probably 90% of the coaches, executive, and owners have been white, you believe there's never been an instance where an member of the organization had a consensual relationship with a subordinate?

sorry, I need to see FACTS before I accept blatant race baiting as ok.

So you believe Stephen A should air out white executives and coaches to prove a point here?

Yeah if he is gonna make claims like that at least on example would be great. And if he has the information he should definitely out them

Hard to take SAS take as nothing more than inflammatory wild speculation considering that 1)in recent years the league has taken issues like this more seriously and 2) a white person was fired from a high ranking NBA job just a year ago for inappropriate workplace relationships and 3) inflammatory speculation is literally how he makes his career

[Battletrigger]

of course he's wrong. he's a race baiting cvnt who should be fired/suspended for saying such blatant racist things on air.

Sooooo you're saying in the history of the NBA, in which probably 90% of the coaches, executive, and owners have been white, you believe there's never been an instance where an member of the organization had a consensual relationship with a subordinate?

sorry, I need to see FACTS before I accept blatant race baiting as ok.

Welcome to 2022, where minorities can or try to dodge the scandals just claiming that it's only for the membership of that minority.

[Synciere]

Is Stephen A suggesting that there are multiple NBA coaches out here banging multiple wifes in their org?

And Doc Rivers who is probably one of the more in shape ones being a former player is stuck looking at Twitter for porn? Something doesn't add up.

I think he's saying there have been multiple coaches and executives who banged subordinates or associates of the organization and it's not newsworthy there so why here?

Maybe it depends how the organization handles it... or covers it up. As mentioned by others, there's RECENT precedence here. And it happened exactly one year ago.

The Timberwolves fired Gersson Rosas largely for a consensual affair with a staffer. The organization clearly wanted the information out there, whether it was inevitable or not.

We know how connected Woj/Shams are, so clearly this tidbit of news came from the Celtics. They wanted it out there. Perhaps it's because of the precedent set by the Wolves. Perhaps it's because of the hyper-sensitivity culture we live in. Perhaps because they secretly have other issues with Udoka. No idea.

Only that it wouldn't be unprecedented for a large suspension or firing to occur here.

Pretty sure Rosas is Colombian.

[Eric Bieniemy]

Fair enough, Maybe it was a bit strong.

But the guy brought up an unrelated point, on a completely meaningless and made up slight about mens rights. Bringing up that kind of topic out of nowhere clearly has an anti-feminist agenda

The difference in your tone here is that he would probably have no problem being called "anti-feminist", but I'm almost certain he is against being called a misogynist.

They are clearly two separate things.

Thank you for your humility.

I agree that not all anti-feminists are necessarily mysognist, while they are seperated they are relatated. The fact that he brought up a point that I don't think he truly cares about, with little thought, points to a reactionary mindset with these issues. To me that suggests misogyny but perhaps Ill allow posters to dig their hole a little deeper before labelling them

Yes, but you, also, were being "reactionary". Calling someone a racist, a bigot, a simp, a beta, and/or a misogynist should only be reserved for moments of absolute certainty and proof.

If you call someone by one of the aforementioned names but lack that certainty, you are being reactionary.

[Synciere]

sorry, I need to see FACTS before I accept blatant race baiting as ok.

So you believe Stephen A should air out white executives and coaches to prove a point here?

absolutely. If you're going to race bait on national TV you most definitely better back it up with actual facts. especially in today's climate

And why would he take issue with naming names? he's a reporter. They literally get off on that ****. Especially if he is SOOO upset about the unfair treatment of Udoka. Seems like the perfect opportunity for him to engage in some prime time whataboutism.

So again I ask... you're saying in the history of the NBA, in which probably 90% of the coaches, executive, and owners have been white, you believe there's never been an instance where an member of the organization had a consensual relationship with a subordinate?

[Boardbreaker]

Were Jeanie and Phil not dating while he was with the lakers?

[al bondiga]

Things like this happen every day... Celtic fans, players, organization, etc...are unlucky because they have dummies for leaders

[Tai]

1. gerson rosas just got fired for something similar, so SAS as usual, is an idiot

2. this kind of thing reverberates through the organization if you don't address it. you lose people, people don't want to work there, you can get sued, etc.

3. it just so happens that work environment concerns are at top of mind for everyone because of sarver

Sarver's a good point; this looks bad for Ime even in the sheerest of vacuums, but it does feel this is the worst climate to be pinned for this kind of thing.

I don't see how Ime's still with the team next year, sadly.

[ATLTimekeeper]

First year on the job and he has two inter office affairs, sheds off a warning. He won't coach another NBA game.

[jokeboy86]

Were Jeanie and Phil not dating while he was with the lakers?

Yeah but look who her father was lol. Who knows what else went on in the Lakers organization during his tenure so a public relationship between two single people was probably nothing to him.

[BaY AReA NaTiVe]

Have to say I don't understand the misogyny conclusion.

Definition of misogyny
: hatred of, aversion to, or prejudice against women

bradybunch wrote:
The bigger deal is the women cheating on their husbands.

Absolutely sickening.

I feel bad for the dudes that were cheated on.

However, they should thank Udoka for showing them their POS wives true colors.

I feel bad for young men that think they can find a decent woman in this day and age. If you're rich, good looking and packing, you can find a decent woman, but if you're a regular Joe, good damn luck.

I say suspend Udoka for 10 games, fire the women, and move on.

Strike 2 / blatant misogyny

For the bolded part, so do we start labeling people as misandrists now for saying the exact same the other way around about Ime Udoka? (not saying what he did was right or justifying any actions here)

[WarriorGM]

Have to say I don't understand the misogyny conclusion.

Definition of misogyny
: hatred of, aversion to, or prejudice against women

bradybunch wrote:
The bigger deal is the women cheating on their husbands.

Absolutely sickening.

I feel bad for the dudes that were cheated on.

However, they should thank Udoka for showing them their POS wives true colors.

I feel bad for young men that think they can find a decent woman in this day and age. If you're rich, good looking and packing, you can find a decent woman, but if you're a regular Joe, good damn luck.

I say suspend Udoka for 10 games, fire the women, and move on.

Strike 2 / blatant misogyny

Technically a married spouse cheating is a bigger deal than an engaged person cheating. As for the apparent unequal punishments advocated you'll have to ask the poster in question although it is perfectly rational to argue that Udoka's position is more important and thus punishing him less expedient.

The contempt for female cheaters displayed is about the same level of contempt I see in the country bashing.

[AbeVigodaLive]

I think he's saying there have been multiple coaches and executives who banged subordinates or associates of the organization and it's not newsworthy there so why here?

Maybe it depends how the organization handles it... or covers it up. As mentioned by others, there's RECENT precedence here. And it happened exactly one year ago.

The Timberwolves fired Gersson Rosas largely for a consensual affair with a staffer. The organization clearly wanted the information out there, whether it was inevitable or not.

We know how connected Woj/Shams are, so clearly this tidbit of news came from the Celtics. They wanted it out there. Perhaps it's because of the precedent set by the Wolves. Perhaps it's because of the hyper-sensitivity culture we live in. Perhaps because they secretly have other issues with Udoka. No idea.

Only that it wouldn't be unprecedented for a large suspension or firing to occur here.

Pretty sure Rosas is Colombian.

I didn't claim he wasn't. I'm simply offering up other reasons for it other than race.

With the Timberwolves, there were rumors of a "toxic" culture along with a new soon-to-be-ownership group conducting its own investigation. Maybe it was a way to besmirch Rosas and fire him so soon in his tenure without much pushback.

With the Celtics, it could be one of many things... beyond Udoka simply being a minority. In fact, it could their own way of besmirching Udoka early in his tenure without much pushback. Maybe they saw how smoothly it worked out for the Wolves.

I'm just saying that throwing out that the reasoning for it being leaked is simply because he's not white seems like begging for clicks than anything else. And very few are as good at begging for clicks as SAS.

[HotRocks34]

Hey SAS you dumb ****...if there are plenty of white people out there doing the same thing, yet you don't see any info about them, how do you know there are plenty of white people out there doing the same thing?

What Stephen doesn't mention, for example, is how the Mavericks apparently covered for Team President & CEO, Terdema Ussery, for years. Ussery was reportedly one part of the Mavs' workplace culture issues. And the Mavs supposedly had some heads-up on it yet Ussery seemed to stick in the organization for nearly two decades. He was with the Mavs before Cuban, and stayed with them after Cuban purchased the team.

More info:

https://www.si.com/nba/2018/02/21/dallas-mavericks-sexual-misconduct-investigation-mark-cuban-response

[Duke4life831]

Ya Im on the side of most likely this is probably more than just a normal consensual relationship between coworkers.

I'm curious, are they coworkers (it may have been answered in this thread, but **** if I'm wading thru the 20 pages of it now), or does he hold a position of power over her in the company structure?

If it's the latter, that tends to be worse for a number of reasons. One, the woman could feel pressured into a relationship with him, even if it's "consensual", and two, she could receive all sorts of advancements in her career that are unrelated to her job performance.

Granted, I don't know if this is worth a year's suspension, but it tends to be a huge no-no in most businesses.

It all depends really. Some places will allow a relationship like that (one with people in different levels of power), but they usually just have to sign some forms and stuff. And for the places that dont allow it, I just dont see how it would get to this point. I can see them saying hey this is off limits you need to stop. And if we are being real, if she is in a position lower than Ime the most likely scenario would be, "You two need to seriously stop, if not we will have to let one of you go" and we know that person wouldnt be Ime. And if it were to be Ime who got reprimanded over it, I dont see it automatically starting with the "there's talks of him being fired or suspended for a year". It would most likely start off with something like, "Ime has been suspended for the opening game due to conduct detrimental to the team" or something like that.

[SichtingLives]

Some men just can't help themselves from plowing every field. As a matter of fact, some men are attracted to the idea that they could potentially ruin their entire life and everyone elses, just to cop one nut. Like thats part of the thrill. I know many people like this, who have actually done it, and continue seeking the same thing afterward. The idea that ALL men are like this though, is utter tripe. And it's not because "they can't", it's because they simply aren't wired that way and don't have those values. Sad as it is, a lot of men are taught from a young age that doing **** like this is something to be respected. And I'm not just talking about cheating, which I don't respect, but w/e not my business. I'm talking about dudes sticking their dick in things that spiral out and affect all kinds of other things. And they continue to compulsively do it anyway. You can say that comes with power, and I'm sure it does. But again, I know people who are regular af people who have blown up relationship after marriage after relationship, banging other peoples wives, getting them pregnant, losing jobs, losing custody of children, losing their homes, and STILL sticking their dick into anything while staying in relationships. Like why not just be SINGLE?? Oh right, "status" *sigh*. And anyway yes I'm assuming Udoka is one of these people, the fact that he is very recently separated is a minor distinction becasue full grown middle aged man sluts don't tend to be discretionary between turning it on and off due to relationship status. But why anyone would want this much drama in their life is just crazy. Can't imagine my dick costing me anything tangible. It's just a nut. You could whack off, or at the very least be way more discrete about it. That thrill of getting caught, I just can't relate to not being able to control that part of your brain. But I'm sure there are people right here on realgm who have lived this and can explain it.