Woj/Shams: Ime Udoka Suspended for 2022-23 Season - Inappropriate Relationship, Conduct Violations

[TroubleS0me]

Made it to finals, cheated on Nia Long.
Talked about selfish

[Big_Aristotle]

Were Jeanie and Phil not dating while he was with the lakers?

Yeah but look who her father was lol. Who knows what else went on in the Lakers organization during his tenure so a public relationship between two single people was probably nothing to him.

They had a 17 year relationship together and both were single. What are we talking about? It's not illegal to meet your partner at work.

[Eric Bieniemy]

For anyone citing Jeanie/Phil, note that Jeanie out-ranked him, therefore SHE would be the one in the position of power in the org, and besides that, totally different organization and rules, and situation for that matter.

I think may be disingenuous here.

I've read every page of this thread, and general consensus is it's inappropriate to date people who are under you.

That's exactly what Buss did, so it should be seen as equally inappropriate, regardless of team policy.

[Synciere]

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[Ein Sof]

[Bird4Three]

For anyone citing Jeanie/Phil, note that Jeanie out-ranked him, therefore SHE would be the one in the position of power in the org, and besides that, totally different organization and rules, and situation for that matter.

I think may be disingenuous here.

I've read every page of this thread, and general consensus is it's inappropriate to date people who are under you.

That's exactly what Buss did, so it should be seen as equally inappropriate, regardless of team policy.

That’s what I said…therefore Buss would be the one getting suspended/fired if this were the same.

[Edrees]

I just don't see how this is worth a massive punishment. You suspend him or discipline him for 2-3 months suspension and move on. It's immoral and against team policies but nothing illegal.

[whatisacenter]

Have to say I don't understand the misogyny conclusion.

Definition of misogyny
: hatred of, aversion to, or prejudice against women

bradybunch wrote:
The bigger deal is the women cheating on their husbands.

Absolutely sickening.

I feel bad for the dudes that were cheated on.

However, they should thank Udoka for showing them their POS wives true colors.

I feel bad for young men that think they can find a decent woman in this day and age. If you're rich, good looking and packing, you can find a decent woman, but if you're a regular Joe, good damn luck.

I say suspend Udoka for 10 games, fire the women, and move on.

Strike 2 / blatant misogyny

How is THAT misogynistic?

He was specifically talking about the wives that cheated on their husbands — not women as a whole.

if you can read what he posted and not hear what he is saying I don't know what to tell you...he then went on to say the following about women as a whole.

I feel bad for young men that think they can find a decent woman in this day and age. If you're rich, good looking and packing, you can find a decent woman, but if you're a regular Joe, good damn luck.

I say suspend Udoka for 10 games, fire the women, and move on.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Well, Rosa's was fired for the same, so one season is quite softer.

very different, since Wolves weren't successfull, and new owners wanted to cleanhouse anyways

worst answer ever

[Eric Bieniemy]

Were Jeanie and Phil not dating while he was with the lakers?

Yeah but look who her father was lol. Who knows what else went on in the Lakers organization during his tenure so a public relationship between two single people was probably nothing to him.

They had a 17 year relationship together and both were single. What are we talking about? It's not illegal to meet your partner at work.

It is widely considered to be inappropriate to date your inferiors in a workplace. Jackson was Buss' inferior.

I don't a problem with their relationship. I think these things should be dealt with on a case by case basis. I don't agree with the sweeping idea that a person of authority should never date a subordinate.

[SichtingLives]

I just don't see how this is worth a massive punishment. You suspend him or discipline him for 2-3 months suspension and move on. It's immoral and against team policies but nothing illegal.

This is where the question of who you ******, who has skin in that game (giggity), and how much power they have over the situation comes in. And for all we know, there could've been other incidents and warnings before this that we don't know of.

The punishment does seem nuts though especially when it only affects the Celtics.

[mademan]

I just don't see how this is worth a massive punishment. You suspend him or discipline him for 2-3 months suspension and move on. It's immoral and against team policies but nothing illegal.

'immoral' means you understand the nature of their relationship and Ime's marriage. I dont see anything automatically inappropriate. Ime could be separated or in an open marriage

[Edrees]

Yeah but look who her father was lol. Who knows what else went on in the Lakers organization during his tenure so a public relationship between two single people was probably nothing to him.

They had a 17 year relationship together and both were single. What are we talking about? It's not illegal to meet your partner at work.

It is widely considered to be inappropriate to date your inferiors in a workplace. Jackson was Buss' inferior.

I don't a problem with their relationship. I think these things should be dealt with on a case by case basis. I don't agree with the sweeping idea that a person of authority should never date a subordinate.

It's also inappropriate to have your son or daughter hired as your subordinate due to preferential treatment compared to their peers, but that's the entire lakers organization. It's a family business in the first place.

[Duke4life831]

For anyone citing Jeanie/Phil, note that Jeanie out-ranked him, therefore SHE would be the one in the position of power in the org, and besides that, totally different organization and rules, and situation for that matter.

I think may be disingenuous here.

I've read every page of this thread, and general consensus is it's inappropriate to date people who are under you.

That's exactly what Buss did, so it should be seen as equally inappropriate, regardless of team policy.

I mean it really all depends. Ive worked at a place where they said no interoffice relationships were allowed (even people who had even level power). While my dad has worked at a big time research institute and the CEO is married to a lower level supervisor. Some places have a strict no go policy with stuff like this, some places have them fill out forms stating their personal life wont interfere with work. With stuff like this, it really can come down to individual work environments. Unless the NBA as a general corporation has a blanket policy on this.

[Boardbreaker]

I just don't see how this is worth a massive punishment. You suspend him or discipline him for 2-3 months suspension and move on. It's immoral and against team policies but nothing illegal.

'immoral' means you understand the nature of their relationship and Ime's marriage. I dont see anything automatically inappropriate. Ime could be separated or in an open marriage

Technically he’s only engaged

[DaeDae]

I don’t understand the controversy here. You can’t “f***” a Sr. executives wife, have it get out, and seriously think you’re going to keep your job.

The ONLY reason he’s not fired is because (I believe) he’s in a right to work state and that complicates things. If this were in Atlanta, his @$$ would be GONE GONE.

[nikster]

So you believe Stephen A should air out white executives and coaches to prove a point here?

Yeah if he is gonna make claims like that at least on example would be great. And if he has the information he should definitely out them

Hard to take SAS take as nothing more than inflammatory wild speculation considering that 1)in recent years the league has taken issues like this more seriously and 2) a white person was fired from a high ranking NBA job just a year ago for inappropriate workplace relationships and 3) inflammatory speculation is literally how he makes his career

An example would help, I agree, but I don't think it's necessary. I've asked someone else in this thread if they're saying in the history of the NBA, in which probably 90% of the coaches, executives, and owners have been white, if they believe there's never been an instance where an member of the organization had a consensual relationship with a subordinate?

A person cannot reasonably think about that question and come up with any other answer other than, of course there have examples of something like this happening. I don't think Stephen A should destroy an (relatively speaking) innocent person to make a point here. I think what happened here is the woman's husband demanded some type of punishment publicly and the Celtics brass relented, though I'm not exactly sure why. That said, this was a reasonable question to ask by Stephen A. imo. Inflammatory commentary is how many people in the industry make their careers. Stephen A. is hardly the exception, or even a pioneer. I give that title to Mad Dog Russo personally, since I remember him from the 90s, but you'll never hear some of the nasty rhetoric said about Stephen A used to describe Russo. That's another thing though...

But I don't think looking at all NBA history is relevant. NBA and the world has changed on how they treat these issues. Only the last few years would have been relevant. Also I think this is about more than just a consensual relationship. It must have had an impact on workplace culture or he did something beyond just a consensual relationship. Ime is clearly valuable to the organization and I don't think they'd make this decision lightly. So the question is how many white people have had workplace relations that have contributed to a toxic work environment in the last few years? Also, Boston is its own organization with its own standards and policies. "the rest of the league turns a blind eye" is a poor excuse for the Celtics not to punish Ime in this situation.

And the other thing is the framing. Ime did something wrong and should face consequences. SAS implication is that Ime should not be punished until the NBA teams start punishing white people for inappropriate behavior. 1) nobody wins in that scenario, and is impossible for the Celtics organization to justify to its current staff and 2) we have 2 recent examples in Sarver and Rossan being punished by the league.

Yes I understand he makes his career from inflammatory remarks. All the more reason to view anything he says with a different lens.

[Edrees]

I just don't see how this is worth a massive punishment. You suspend him or discipline him for 2-3 months suspension and move on. It's immoral and against team policies but nothing illegal.

'immoral' means you understand the nature of their relationship and Ime's marriage. I dont see anything automatically inappropriate. Ime could be separated or in an open marriage

I guess if they agreed to an open relationship or were separated i'd agree

[Wallace_Wallace]

You can go post on RealGM Saudi Arabia.

Have to say I don't understand the misogyny conclusion.

Really?

Ime Udoka, engaged man, should get a much smaller punishment than the woman (also married)? He should be commended for "exposing a cheater"...by being a cheater himself? She should be fined and he should only be suspended?

How about equal media exposure, equal punishment?

How I see it, the only victim is the husband who remainly faithful (as far as we know).

[mademan]

I don’t understand the controversy here. You can’t “f***” a Sr. executives wife, have it get out, and seriously think you’re going to keep your job.

The ONLY reason he’s not fired is because (I believe) he’s in a right to work state and that complicates things. If this were in Atlanta, his @$$ would be GONE GONE.

Reason he isnt fired is because he has a contract and the C's dont want to pay him to coach on some other team