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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXI 

Post#981 » by Fairview4Life » Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:45 pm

dobrojim wrote:
pancakes3 wrote:I was reading this story: https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjkzx7/qanon-simpsons-episode

which linked to this story: https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7v3a4/qanon-igor-lanis-walled-lake-michigan-murder

and it's just like... how do you even react to something like this?

I guess it's just "lol, that's vice, they're a lib rag, can't believe what you read there - media lies"

ok. doesn't change what actually happened though.

https://news.yahoo.com/qanon-creator-q-returns-nearly-034505720.html links to 2 more q-related killings

and again, it's just like, how do you even engage with politics any more?


I fully expect the cult will come up with what they think is a reasonable explanation
for "something big" not happening on Saturday. It's what has happened in the past.
Rational and/or critical thinking is not their strong suit.


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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXI 

Post#982 » by Pointgod » Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:14 pm

Remember every Republican accusation is a confession.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXI 

Post#983 » by dobrojim » Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:42 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/21/trump-sued-new-york-letitia-james/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F37fc435%2F632b3807f3d9003c58e71978%2F5b7b2730ade4e22490fe0a2f%2F8%2F72%2F632b3807f3d9003c58e71978&wp_cu=6fb90a4765f2ac73bf8ef1382d0c9e7e%7C20455DDBD867A50BE050007F01005DDB

WaPo version of the above story. This should be entertaining. I hope Golfy insists on testifying.

The 222-page civil complaint asks the New York Supreme Court to bar Trump, as well as Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump and Eric Trump, from serving as executives at any company in New York, and to bar the Trump Organization from acquiring any commercial real estate or receiving loans from any New York-registered financial institution for five years.

It seeks to recover more than $250 million in what James’s office says are ill-gotten gains received through the alleged deceptive practices. While the lawsuit itself is not a criminal prosecution, James (D) said she has referred possible violations of federal law to the Justice Department and the IRS.


His lawyer...(he only hires the best people (until they realize they'll get stiffed and/or suffer
reputational harm)).

“Today’s filing is neither focused on the facts nor the law – rather, it is solely focused on advancing the Attorney General’s political agenda," Alina Habba, one of Trump’s lawyers, said in a statement on Wednesday morning. "We are confident that our judicial system will not stand for this unchecked abuse of authority, and we look forward to defending our client against each and every one of the Attorney General’s meritless claims.”
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXI 

Post#984 » by pancakes3 » Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:28 pm

Habba is so far out of her depth as an attorney it's embarrassing. She doesn't have the resources or the experience to handle any of these. It's really crazy how little legal help Trump is getting. You'd need at MINIMUM a team of 5 just to handle the fraud case. The FBI investigation is another 3-person team. And that's if those attorneys/paralegals know the subject matter and can hit the ground running. I doubt anyone at the firm has had any experience with any of the issues Trump's facing right now.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/21/read-ag-tish-james-trump-organization-lawsuit-00058030

Allegations start on page 6 and most of them are indefensible.

How do you defend against having 2 sets of books? How do you defend against saying your 10,000 sq ft is 30,000 sq ft, and valued at $275M+? How can you defend that it's just a one-off miscalculation when it occurs at every single one of the properties? And the amount of the over-valuing - not just by a couple percentages - orders of magnitude higher. He bought a golf club for $5M, and claimed it to be $63M the very next year. It's insane.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXI 

Post#985 » by montestewart » Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:34 pm

dobrojim wrote:
pancakes3 wrote:I was reading this story: https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjkzx7/qanon-simpsons-episode

which linked to this story: https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7v3a4/qanon-igor-lanis-walled-lake-michigan-murder

and it's just like... how do you even react to something like this?

I guess it's just "lol, that's vice, they're a lib rag, can't believe what you read there - media lies"

ok. doesn't change what actually happened though.

https://news.yahoo.com/qanon-creator-q-returns-nearly-034505720.html links to 2 more q-related killings

and again, it's just like, how do you even engage with politics any more?


I fully expect the cult will come up with what they think is a reasonable explanation
for "something big" not happening on Saturday. It's what has happened in the past.
Rational and/or critical thinking is not their strong suit.

Religio-political doomsday cultists are just like any other doomsday cultists. Walk around with a sandwich board proclaiming the end of the world. When the end of the world does not come, just change the date.

I somehow ended up on some right wing mailing list that’s resulted in me receiving texts from right wing political action committees. They come “directly” from Trump, DeSantis, and a bunch of other Republicans that are lower down the chain. They all have the same tone, send us money and defeat the liberals that are destroying our country in November or else all is lost.

In my experience with Trump supporters, and I have a bit of it, I see addiction to fear, like the adrenaline rush from a video game or your team’s game going down to the wire, or a sci -fi movie with tyrannical alien lizards secretly controlling the world. Blowouts are boring. Close games are exciting, all-or-nothing, everything on the line. Winning close games is ecstasy, and the agony of defeat is that “they cheated!” Constant fear. My Trump supporter friends and family have been conditioned to live in constant fear, and that keeps the cash and ego trains rolling. Not Pavlov’s dog, more like Pavlov’s Triggered Karen, with money.

All politics plays on fear, but the Republican party is much better than the Democratic party at stoking fear in rank-and-file supporters. With the overturning of Roe v Wade (aided by three justices who uniformly lied under oath), they may have overplayed the fear hand.

Republicans scare their supporters with end of the world, stolen elections, murderous illegals, drug-addicted transgender pedophiles sharing a bathroom with your child, Comet Pizza, and other compelling issues detached from reality. And while everyone is distracted by these fictions the Republican party is tearing down democratic safeguards. They scream “freedom” while appearing to be just like any other authoritarian movement on the ascent.

Democrats now have an actual, authentic, real issue that they told us we should be afraid about all along, And then it happened. Under Republican ideology, women are second class citizens who must subordinate their individual liberty to the male controlled pro-life movement.

I don’t come from an overly liberal family, but with the exception of one evangelical, all of the women in my extended family including moderates, Republicans, and former Republicans, have flatly rejected the Republican party, and Roe v. Wade is the primary issue that unites them. As far as I know, none of these women have ever had an abortion. Right wingers and anti-abortionists really don’t understand that for most women it’s not about the right to have an abortion, it’s about who has sovereignty over their bodies. They know that if the state can force a child to give birth to her rapist’s baby, the Handmaid’s Tale is just around the corner. They see an actual doomsday happening to them.

It’s a game to Trumpists. But the Most Dangerous Game was also a game. They must win, and if they do, all really is lost. The links in pancake’s post demonstrate some of the effects of such psychological conditioning. Thanks to Trump‘s cult of personality and relentless disinformation campaign, the Republican party has transformed into the most dangerous threat to US democracy I have witnessed in my lifetime, much more dangerous than any threat presented by ferners, antifa (whatever that is), Covid mandates. It makes Nixon’s strategy to pull southern racist Democrats into the Republican party (while shamelessly proclaiming themselves the party of Lincoln) seem like garden-variety politics by comparison, but they similarly encourage violence and hatred. A good look for America.

That was practically a Hands post :D
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXI 

Post#986 » by dobrojim » Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:07 am

After listening to more details about the (James) lawsuit, I’m going back to
what I said a bunch of pages back, there’s not enough fingers to
plug all the holes in the dike. It’s only matter of time. Assuming this
trend continues, it will be especially gratifying if two of the principal
prosecutors that take him down are both Black women (James and Willis).
And presidential pardons will not be able to rescue him from state charges.

PS, to add insult to injury, the appeals court in the stolen documents case
just clobbered everything the syncophant judge tried to give Golfy.

Adding this to bolster my case

https://www.justsecurity.org/83161/tipping-point-the-new-york-attorney-generals-case-against-trump/
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXI 

Post#987 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:13 am

Not sure if this is a political issue.

I think Putin will soon be a goner.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXI 

Post#988 » by Wizardspride » Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:23 pm

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President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Post#989 » by dobrojim » Thu Sep 22, 2022 1:34 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/09/21/trump-lawsuit-new-york-james-loser/

Since this is a civil suit, James need only prove her case by a preponderance of the evidence. Trump’s decision to invoke the Fifth Amendment more than 400 times during a court-ordered deposition with James last month can also be used against him. The suit effectively points a dagger at the entire Trump operation, putting at risk the thing that he holds most dear: his wealth. James has also made a referral to the Internal Revenue Service and the U.S. attorney of the Southern District of New York.


...

It’s almost hard to remember that a few months ago, Trump’s biggest legal problem seemed to be a federal investigation into the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the Capitol. Since then, the House Jan. 6 select committee (due to reconvene on Sept. 28) turned out one blockbuster hearing after another on his actions surrounding the attack; the Justice Department’s investigation into efforts to overturn the election shifted into overdrive; and Fani T. Willis, the district attorney for Fulton County, Ga., started dragging Trump associates before a grand jury regarding the pressure campaign against election officials in the state.


One other thing, Golfy made a settlement offer to James before the suit was filed. It was rejected.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXI 

Post#990 » by verbal8 » Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:33 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Not sure if this is a political issue.

I think Putin will soon be a goner.

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Normally it wouldn't be really political from an American perspective, but the GOP is so in the bag for Russia, it does seem polictical.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXI 

Post#991 » by Pointgod » Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:42 am

This is good, if only because we know Republicans have selected the worst qualified, unelected clowns to run for Congress. More of this please!

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Post#992 » by Wizardspride » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:46 pm

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These numbers, from a new Arizona poll commissioned by the AARP, are pretty remarkable! Her unpopularity “crosses the aisle” like that of no politician I’ve ever seen. A solid 54 percent of Arizona Republicans don’t like her. And 51 percent of independents don’t like her (her best result!). As for Democrats? Arizonans of Sinema’s putative party simply do not like her, to the tune of 57 percent. (And that’s a distinct improvement from her 80 percent disapproval rating with Democrats in January!)

Name a demographic group, and Sinema is viewed unfavorably by a majority of them. Women? 55 percent unfavorable. Men? 53 percent unfavorable. White voters? 56 percent unfavorable. Hispanic voters? 54 percent unfavorable.

She’s not very popular with college graduates (53 percent unfavorable), but unfortunately she’s even less popular with people who haven’t graduated college (55 percent unfavorable).

President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXI 

Post#993 » by Zonkerbl » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:55 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXI 

Post#994 » by verbal8 » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:54 pm

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These numbers, from a new Arizona poll commissioned by the AARP, are pretty remarkable! Her unpopularity “crosses the aisle” like that of no politician I’ve ever seen. A solid 54 percent of Arizona Republicans don’t like her. And 51 percent of independents don’t like her (her best result!). As for Democrats? Arizonans of Sinema’s putative party simply do not like her, to the tune of 57 percent. (And that’s a distinct improvement from her 80 percent disapproval rating with Democrats in January!)

Name a demographic group, and Sinema is viewed unfavorably by a majority of them. Women? 55 percent unfavorable. Men? 53 percent unfavorable. White voters? 56 percent unfavorable. Hispanic voters? 54 percent unfavorable.

She’s not very popular with college graduates (53 percent unfavorable), but unfortunately she’s even less popular with people who haven’t graduated college (55 percent unfavorable).


If the Republicans weren't so rabidly party over country, I think Ted Cruz and Rand Paul would have similar numbers.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXI 

Post#995 » by verbal8 » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:58 pm



What I find harder to believe they didn't come across an easier case to make in all that criminal cesspool.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXI 

Post#996 » by dobrojim » Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:27 pm

Maybe someone didn't want to become the next Monica Lewinsky?

This is evidence free speculation on my part.
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Post#997 » by Pointgod » Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:07 pm

I never want to hear both sides bull from a single poster in this thread.

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Post#998 » by Pointgod » Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:10 pm

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These numbers, from a new Arizona poll commissioned by the AARP, are pretty remarkable! Her unpopularity “crosses the aisle” like that of no politician I’ve ever seen. A solid 54 percent of Arizona Republicans don’t like her. And 51 percent of independents don’t like her (her best result!). As for Democrats? Arizonans of Sinema’s putative party simply do not like her, to the tune of 57 percent. (And that’s a distinct improvement from her 80 percent disapproval rating with Democrats in January!)

Name a demographic group, and Sinema is viewed unfavorably by a majority of them. Women? 55 percent unfavorable. Men? 53 percent unfavorable. White voters? 56 percent unfavorable. Hispanic voters? 54 percent unfavorable.

She’s not very popular with college graduates (53 percent unfavorable), but unfortunately she’s even less popular with people who haven’t graduated college (55 percent unfavorable).


She’s the political equivalent of herpes, something no one wants to get within 50 feet of. She has been given horrible advice. I hope she gets destroyed in her primary, like embarrassingly bad because she can’t get being a soulless corporate puppet right.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXI 

Post#999 » by montestewart » Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:19 am

Pointgod wrote:She’s the political equivalent of herpes,
something no one wants to get within 50
feet of. She has been given horrible advice.
I hope she gets destroyed in her primary,
like embarrassingly bad because she can’t
get being a soulless corporate puppet right.

That prose is poetry
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXI 

Post#1000 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Sep 24, 2022 6:19 am

Wizardspride wrote:
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These numbers, from a new Arizona poll commissioned by the AARP, are pretty remarkable! Her unpopularity “crosses the aisle” like that of no politician I’ve ever seen. A solid 54 percent of Arizona Republicans don’t like her. And 51 percent of independents don’t like her (her best result!). As for Democrats? Arizonans of Sinema’s putative party simply do not like her, to the tune of 57 percent. (And that’s a distinct improvement from her 80 percent disapproval rating with Democrats in January!)

Name a demographic group, and Sinema is viewed unfavorably by a majority of them. Women? 55 percent unfavorable. Men? 53 percent unfavorable. White voters? 56 percent unfavorable. Hispanic voters? 54 percent unfavorable.

She’s not very popular with college graduates (53 percent unfavorable), but unfortunately she’s even less popular with people who haven’t graduated college (55 percent unfavorable).
Just curious.... Is any woman viewed favorably ANYWHERE?

Michelle Obama? HILARY? Lightfoot the alien? Ocasio? Vice President what's her name? I'm seriously drawing a blank!?

Sarah Palin just lost. Is she popular?

I met Tulsi Gabbard's peeps, actually one brother and another present, years ago. (2014 maybe or was it 2015) I told them then I think she'll be the first female POTUS. But now?

I'm certainly biased against women but I believe Tulsi is presidential.



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