Woj/Shams: Ime Udoka Suspended for 2022-23 Season - Inappropriate Relationship, Conduct Violations

[Paradise]

It's fairly logical for it to be bed. I've written this at least 3 times:

- The C's like Udoka.
- A female staffer filed a complaint agaisnt Udoka.
- A relatioship turned from consensual to more than likely harrassment.
- Boston hired a law firm to investigate.

Do you think that it's possible that it isn't bad for Udoka considering all the facts?
I believe he will get fired, suspension is the first step.
I kinda wanted him to stay, but it is what it is and it's his fault. Awful judgement,selfish, putting himself before the team, his fiance, etc, etc, etc.

Nice job taking accountability off of the female staffer for opening her legs and phone number to him personally as well. Anything non consensual is rape. We know that didn’t happen.

This is why this country is going to hell. You can’t act like he is the only one in selfishness when an EMPLOYEE cutting a check from the same owner is also not held accountable because she’s a woman. This is why women around male locker rooms was always considered a bad idea.

How can you listen to the video from Matt Barnes - someone who knows FROM PERSONAL CONTACTS way more that YOU about what happened - and still have this take? Huh?

Posts like THIS are why this country is going to hell, IMO.

This is a man who had a friend sleep with his wife. I don’t go by opinions. I go by reality and facts. She should be punished if she’s a staff member and on team payroll. No way around it.

You all want to shame people into agreeing with emotional rants. That is why this country is going to hell. Far too many emotional non-reality posts and no true accountability.

Again, If she’s a STAFF member. She needs to be disciplined as well.

[NZB2323]

Matt Barnes dropped support of Udoka and said its BAD.

It's fairly logical for it to be bed. I've written this at least 3 times:

- The C's like Udoka.
- A female staffer filed a complaint agaisnt Udoka.
- A relatioship turned from consensual to more than likely harrassment.
- Boston hired a law firm to investigate.

Do you think that it's possible that it isn't bad for Udoka considering all the facts?
I believe he will get fired, suspension is the first step.
I kinda wanted him to stay, but it is what it is and it's his fault. Awful judgement,selfish, putting himself before the team, his fiance, etc, etc, etc.

Nice job taking accountability off of the female staffer for opening her legs and phone number to him personally as well. Anything non consensual is rape. We know that didn’t happen.

This is why this country is going to hell. You can’t act like he is the only one in selfishness when an EMPLOYEE cutting a check from the same owner is also not held accountable because she’s a woman. This is why women around male locker rooms was always considered a bad idea.

Stalking, unwanted sexual comments, and pressuring a subordinate to sleep with you either with blackmail that you’ll fire them or bribery that you’ll promote them isn’t rape but it’s definitely not consensual. That’s sexual harassment.

Also the female staffer:

-didn’t sleep with a subordinate.
-didn’t sexually harass anyone.
-isn’t in a position to say no.

Victim blaming isn’t the way to go. And this isn’t about man vs. woman. This is about boss vs. subordinate. Female bosses have been fired for sleeping with male subordinates.

[NZB2323]

Nice job taking accountability off of the female staffer for opening her legs and phone number to him personally as well. Anything non consensual is rape. We know that didn’t happen.

This is why this country is going to hell. You can’t act like he is the only one in selfishness when an EMPLOYEE cutting a check from the same owner is also not held accountable because she’s a woman. This is why women around male locker rooms was always considered a bad idea.

How can you listen to the video from Matt Barnes - someone who knows FROM PERSONAL CONTACTS way more that YOU about what happened - and still have this take? Huh?

Posts like THIS are why this country is going to hell, IMO.

This is a man who had a friend sleep with his wife. I don’t go by opinions. I go by reality and facts. She should be punished if she’s a staff member and on team payroll. No way around it.

You all want to shame people into agreeing with emotional rants. That is why this country is going to hell. Far too many emotional non-reality posts and no true accountability.

Again, If she’s a STAFF member. She needs to be disciplined as well.

Discipling a subordinate who reports harassment isn’t the way to go. From a liability standpoint it’s a nightmare.

Here are the facts:

-Udoka slept with a subordinate.
-the subordinate reported Udoka for harassing her.
-punishing a subordinate for reporting sexual harassment opens you up to lawsuits, where even if you win you have to pay a lot of money for lawyers and it hurts the companies reputation.

It seems to me that you’re the one going with emotional reasons for why the subordinate should be punished, when the facts say she shouldn’t.

[enigmatics]

What is up with athletes and the rampant sexual deviance?

Celebrity priviledge and entitlement problems.

I've always said that when you're relatively well known and making the money these guys do - you're not even human anymore and prone to looking at other people as objects.

Same with anyone who's got more than 10k followers on Twitter/IG/TikTok. You've left the human race at that point.

[ConSarnit]

Matt Barnes dropped support of Udoka and said its BAD.

It's fairly logical for it to be bed. I've written this at least 3 times:

- The C's like Udoka.
- A female staffer filed a complaint agaisnt Udoka.
- A relatioship turned from consensual to more than likely harrassment.
- Boston hired a law firm to investigate.

Do you think that it's possible that it isn't bad for Udoka considering all the facts?
I believe he will get fired, suspension is the first step.
I kinda wanted him to stay, but it is what it is and it's his fault. Awful judgement,selfish, putting himself before the team, his fiance, etc, etc, etc.

Why suspend someone only to fire them later? They've obviously taken legal counsel and done the investigation.

If the investigation isn't done then why suspend Udoka? Wouldn't an indefinite suspension make more sense until everything is verified?

If it is done and all of the facts are known why give him a year suspension if you know you want to fire him eventually?

As of right now the only way Udoka will be gone is if all the facts become public and there is backlash (making BOS look bad) or Udoka quits.

[Pointgod]

It's fairly logical for it to be bed. I've written this at least 3 times:

- The C's like Udoka.
- A female staffer filed a complaint agaisnt Udoka.
- A relatioship turned from consensual to more than likely harrassment.
- Boston hired a law firm to investigate.

Do you think that it's possible that it isn't bad for Udoka considering all the facts?
I believe he will get fired, suspension is the first step.
I kinda wanted him to stay, but it is what it is and it's his fault. Awful judgement,selfish, putting himself before the team, his fiance, etc, etc, etc.

Nice job taking accountability off of the female staffer for opening her legs and phone number to him personally as well. Anything non consensual is rape. We know that didn’t happen.

This is why this country is going to hell. You can’t act like he is the only one in selfishness when an EMPLOYEE cutting a check from the same owner is also not held accountable because she’s a woman. This is why women around male locker rooms was always considered a bad idea.

Personal attack are not allowed. Please don't turn this thread into an insult battle. -b

Previous post was uncalled for so I removed it.

[bisme37]

Nice job taking accountability off of the female staffer for opening her legs and phone number to him personally as well. Anything non consensual is rape. We know that didn’t happen.

This is why this country is going to hell. You can’t act like he is the only one in selfishness when an EMPLOYEE cutting a check from the same owner is also not held accountable because she’s a woman. This is why women around male locker rooms was always considered a bad idea.

Personal attack are not allowed. Please don't turn this thread into an insult battle. -b

Previous post was uncalled for so I removed it.

Thx man!

[Pointgod]

Matt Barnes dropped support of Udoka and said its BAD.

It's fairly logical for it to be bed. I've written this at least 3 times:

- The C's like Udoka.
- A female staffer filed a complaint agaisnt Udoka.
- A relatioship turned from consensual to more than likely harrassment.
- Boston hired a law firm to investigate.

Do you think that it's possible that it isn't bad for Udoka considering all the facts?
I believe he will get fired, suspension is the first step.
I kinda wanted him to stay, but it is what it is and it's his fault. Awful judgement,selfish, putting himself before the team, his fiance, etc, etc, etc.

Why suspend someone only to fire them later? They've obviously taken legal counsel and done the investigation.

If the investigation isn't done then why suspend Udoka? Wouldn't an indefinite suspension make more sense until everything is verified?

If it is done and all of the facts are known why give him a year suspension if you know you want to fire him eventually?

As of right now the only way Udoka will be gone is if all the facts become public and there is backlash (making BOS look bad) or Udoka quits.

Because you’re dealing with Labor and contract laws. Udoka has multi million dollar contract and the Celtics just can’t fire him and recoup their money.

There was probably a separate law firm that did the investigation and a separate law firm that would review their legal options based on the investigation. You can’t just fire someone without cause and to avoid a costly legal battle they need to be deliberate and tread carefully. Suspending him for violation of team policy is probably the only thing they can do within the NBA and team rules. Udoka could even appeal the suspension, but I doubt he will.

I’m pretty sure the Celtics were rushed into the suspension and that press conference because someone had leaked this, people need to be patient. This is a serious matter.

[Paradise]

How can you listen to the video from Matt Barnes - someone who knows FROM PERSONAL CONTACTS way more that YOU about what happened - and still have this take? Huh?

Posts like THIS are why this country is going to hell, IMO.

This is a man who had a friend sleep with his wife. I don’t go by opinions. I go by reality and facts. She should be punished if she’s a staff member and on team payroll. No way around it.

You all want to shame people into agreeing with emotional rants. That is why this country is going to hell. Far too many emotional non-reality posts and no true accountability.

Again, If she’s a STAFF member. She needs to be disciplined as well.

Discipling a subordinate who reports harassment isn’t the way to go. From a liability standpoint it’s a nightmare.

Here are the facts:

-Udoka slept with a subordinate.
-the subordinate reported Udoka for harassing her.
-punishing a subordinate for reporting sexual harassment opens you up to lawsuits, where even if you win you have to pay a lot of money for lawyers and it hurts the companies reputation.

It seems to me that you’re the one going with emotional reasons for why the subordinate should be punished, when the facts say she shouldn’t.

You are again deflecting the accountability of the ‘consensual’ start of this so called relationship. He didn’t force himself on that woman. Those are the facts until proven otherwise.

You don’t run and weasel from that point and deflect with S.I.G.N. language. A staff member is still a subordinate employee to the organization who preformed insubordination and violated that policy as well by sleeping with him in the first place. BOTH are equally wrong.

That doesn’t change the fact, he could’ve turned into some weirdo stalker but it doesn’t change the fact she was absolutely not a victim solely and should be punished for accepting the sex in the first place.

[Pointgod]

Nice job taking accountability off of the female staffer for opening her legs and phone number to him personally as well. Anything non consensual is rape. We know that didn’t happen.

This is why this country is going to hell. You can’t act like he is the only one in selfishness when an EMPLOYEE cutting a check from the same owner is also not held accountable because she’s a woman. This is why women around male locker rooms was always considered a bad idea.

How can you listen to the video from Matt Barnes - someone who knows FROM PERSONAL CONTACTS way more that YOU about what happened - and still have this take? Huh?

Posts like THIS are why this country is going to hell, IMO.

This is a man who had a friend sleep with his wife. I don’t go by opinions. I go by reality and facts. She should be punished if she’s a staff member and on team payroll. No way around it.

You all want to shame people into agreeing with emotional rants. That is why this country is going to hell. Far too many emotional non-reality posts and no true accountability.

Again, If she’s a STAFF member. She needs to be disciplined as well.

There were obviously more violations that led to the suspension than the relationship with the staffer and there was an investigation so it could be possible that she didn’t break any team rules. But just stop and think for a second how the headlines will play out if the team disciplined the staffer:

“Celtics fire staffer who was a victim of sexual harassment and unwanted advances.”
“I was disciplined by the Celtics to silence me.”
“Celtics try to coerce sexual harassment victim to protect powerful man.”

What you’re advocating for is a horribly bad idea until all the facts come out about what the investigation actually unearthed. If the staffer violated team policy they can discipline her after the Udoka situation is settled. This rush to see a woman punished is just deeply weird.

[Paradise]

How can you listen to the video from Matt Barnes - someone who knows FROM PERSONAL CONTACTS way more that YOU about what happened - and still have this take? Huh?

Posts like THIS are why this country is going to hell, IMO.

This is a man who had a friend sleep with his wife. I don’t go by opinions. I go by reality and facts. She should be punished if she’s a staff member and on team payroll. No way around it.

You all want to shame people into agreeing with emotional rants. That is why this country is going to hell. Far too many emotional non-reality posts and no true accountability.

Again, If she’s a STAFF member. She needs to be disciplined as well.

There were obviously more violations that led to the suspension than the relationship with the staffer and there was an investigation so it could be possible that she didn’t break any team rules. But just stop and think for a second how the headlines will play out if the team disciplined the staffer:

“Celtics fire staffer who was a victim of sexual harassment and unwanted advances.”
“I was disciplined by the Celtics to silence me.”
“Celtics try to coerce sexual harassment victim to protect powerful man.”

What you’re advocating for is a horribly bad idea until all the facts come out about what the investigation actually unearthed. If the staffer violated team policy they can discipline her after the Udoka situation is settled. This rush to see a woman punished is just deeply weird.

This rush to avoid equal punishment because she’s a woman is EXTREMELY weird. Gender doesn’t matter in this country today. Her gender is irrelevant to violating rules as an employee even if it wasn’t badly compared to his own.

You literally walked in to a trap to prove my point of what’s going on here. Thank you for doing it.

[Infinite Llamas]

I wish this godawful thread didn’t exist so I wouldn’t be inclined to keep clicking on it…

[ConSarnit]

It's fairly logical for it to be bed. I've written this at least 3 times:

- The C's like Udoka.
- A female staffer filed a complaint agaisnt Udoka.
- A relatioship turned from consensual to more than likely harrassment.
- Boston hired a law firm to investigate.

Do you think that it's possible that it isn't bad for Udoka considering all the facts?
I believe he will get fired, suspension is the first step.
I kinda wanted him to stay, but it is what it is and it's his fault. Awful judgement,selfish, putting himself before the team, his fiance, etc, etc, etc.

Why suspend someone only to fire them later? They've obviously taken legal counsel and done the investigation.

If the investigation isn't done then why suspend Udoka? Wouldn't an indefinite suspension make more sense until everything is verified?

If it is done and all of the facts are known why give him a year suspension if you know you want to fire him eventually?

As of right now the only way Udoka will be gone is if all the facts become public and there is backlash (making BOS look bad) or Udoka quits.

Because you’re dealing with Labor and contract laws. Udoka has multi million dollar contract and the Celtics just can’t fire him and recoup their money.

There was probably a separate law firm that did the investigation and a separate law firm that would review their legal options based on the investigation. You can’t just fire someone without cause and to avoid a costly legal battle they need to be deliberate and tread carefully. Suspending him for violation of team policy is probably the only thing they can do within the NBA and team rules. Udoka could even appeal the suspension, but I doubt he will.

I’m pretty sure the Celtics were rushed into the suspension and that press conference because someone had leaked this, people need to be patient. This is a serious matter.

Makes no sense. Why would they hard cap the suspension? Just suspend him indefinitely until you've made a final judgement.

There is no way Udoka's contract doesn't have stipulations about this type of thing and what constitutes a breach of his contract. It would be pretty clear whether or not he violated (and negated) his contract. Unless he's denying the reported (multiple) violations that occurred (which I suppose is possible).

[NZB2323]

This is a man who had a friend sleep with his wife. I don’t go by opinions. I go by reality and facts. She should be punished if she’s a staff member and on team payroll. No way around it.

You all want to shame people into agreeing with emotional rants. That is why this country is going to hell. Far too many emotional non-reality posts and no true accountability.

Again, If she’s a STAFF member. She needs to be disciplined as well.

There were obviously more violations that led to the suspension than the relationship with the staffer and there was an investigation so it could be possible that she didn’t break any team rules. But just stop and think for a second how the headlines will play out if the team disciplined the staffer:

“Celtics fire staffer who was a victim of sexual harassment and unwanted advances.”
“I was disciplined by the Celtics to silence me.”
“Celtics try to coerce sexual harassment victim to protect powerful man.”

What you’re advocating for is a horribly bad idea until all the facts come out about what the investigation actually unearthed. If the staffer violated team policy they can discipline her after the Udoka situation is settled. This rush to see a woman punished is just deeply weird.

This rush to avoid equal punishment because she’s a woman is EXTREMELY weird. Gender doesn’t matter in this country today. Her gender is irrelevant to violating rules as an employee even if it wasn’t badly compared to his own.

You literally walked in to a trap to prove my point of what’s going on here. Thank you for doing it.

It’s not about her being a woman. It’s about her being a subordinate who reported sexual harassment from her boss. If the Celtics discipline her now that empowers other bosses(men or women) within the organization to sexually harass employees, opens up the Celtics to liability, and hurts their reputation.

[Bulliever2020]

I wish this godawful thread didn’t exist so I wouldn’t be inclined to keep clicking on it…

I keep clicking it thinking there might be new information but it is the same moronic circular arguments about why the woman or women haven't been punished every time.

[leolozon]

What is up with athletes and the rampant sexual deviance?

Celebrity priviledge and entitlement problems.

I've always said that when you're relatively well known and making the money these guys do - you're not even human anymore and prone to looking at other people as objects.

Same with anyone who's got more than 10k followers on Twitter/IG/TikTok. You've left the human race at that point.

Yeah, not just athletes, look at what is going on with Adam Levine right now.

It must be said that we probably don't hear about a lot of men stalking women on social medias. Being a celebrity means that the story has better odds of coming out.

[FlatearthZorro]

Matt Barnes dropped support of Udoka and said its BAD.

It's fairly logical for it to be bed. I've written this at least 3 times:

- The C's like Udoka.
- A female staffer filed a complaint agaisnt Udoka.
- A relatioship turned from consensual to more than likely harrassment.
- Boston hired a law firm to investigate.

Do you think that it's possible that it isn't bad for Udoka considering all the facts?
I believe he will get fired, suspension is the first step.
I kinda wanted him to stay, but it is what it is and it's his fault. Awful judgement,selfish, putting himself before the team, his fiance, etc, etc, etc.

Why suspend someone only to fire them later? They've obviously taken legal counsel and done the investigation.

If the investigation isn't done then why suspend Udoka? Wouldn't an indefinite suspension make more sense until everything is verified?

If it is done and all of the facts are known why give him a year suspension if you know you want to fire him eventually?

As of right now the only way Udoka will be gone is if all the facts become public and there is backlash (making BOS look bad) or Udoka quits.

1. To me they suspended him due to legal hudrles they have to go through.

2. they suspended him because it was obvious that even though it was initially a consensual relationship, I'm willing to bet it turned ugly.

3. The facts will become public, sadly. And many belive them to be ugly for Udoka. I honestly initially thought he was a bad coach, then liked him and now I can't believe this. Boston hasn't leaked any information. This is evident by Woj/Shams backtracking their initial statements, which were that the guy had a consensual relationship, was separated from his faincee and the C's just decided to suspend him.

4. By the end of this, if it all comes out I'm fairly certain, Ime will come out as a serious villain. I really wish he was smarter and was still the HC of the C's. This is a no-win situation for us. His coaching opportunities in the NBA will be non-existent, too. Imo, he will recover in several years.

[CIN-C-STAR]

Nice job taking accountability off of the female staffer for opening her legs and phone number to him personally as well. Anything non consensual is rape. We know that didn’t happen.

This is why this country is going to hell. You can’t act like he is the only one in selfishness when an EMPLOYEE cutting a check from the same owner is also not held accountable because she’s a woman. This is why women around male locker rooms was always considered a bad idea.

How can you listen to the video from Matt Barnes - someone who knows FROM PERSONAL CONTACTS way more that YOU about what happened - and still have this take? Huh?

Posts like THIS are why this country is going to hell, IMO.

This is a man who had a friend sleep with his wife. I don’t go by opinions. I go by reality and facts. She should be punished if she’s a staff member and on team payroll. No way around it.

You all want to shame people into agreeing with emotional rants. That is why this country is going to hell. Far too many emotional non-reality posts and no true accountability.

Again, If she’s a STAFF member. She needs to be disciplined as well.

You do realize that IF she was disciplined they wouldn't announce it to the public since she's not a public figure like Udoka, right?
So I don't really understand getting worked up about it when we don't even know if she (or they) were on staff or if they have been disciplined.

Also unless you've seen the company handbook, it may not be a violation to sleep with a superior but may be a violation to sleep w a subordinate.
Further, as others have pointed out the discipline may stem primarily or even exclusively from harassment that took place after a consensual relationship had ended.
You really do seem strangely fixated on the idea that both parties were equally at fault and the woman needs to be punished, but the few facts we have at hand don't really support that at all.

[Ayt]

How can you listen to the video from Matt Barnes - someone who knows FROM PERSONAL CONTACTS way more that YOU about what happened - and still have this take? Huh?

Posts like THIS are why this country is going to hell, IMO.

This is a man who had a friend sleep with his wife. I don’t go by opinions. I go by reality and facts. She should be punished if she’s a staff member and on team payroll. No way around it.

You all want to shame people into agreeing with emotional rants. That is why this country is going to hell. Far too many emotional non-reality posts and no true accountability.

Again, If she’s a STAFF member. She needs to be disciplined as well.

You do realize that IF she was disciplined they wouldn't announce it to the public since she's not a public figure like Udoka, right?
So I don't really understand getting worked up about it when we don't even know if she (or they) were on staff or if they have been disciplined.

Also unless you've seen the company handbook, it may not be a violation to sleep with a superior but may be a violation to sleep w a subordinate.
Further, as others have pointed out the discipline may stem primarily or even exclusively from harassment that took place after a consensual relationship had ended.
You really do seem strangely fixated on the idea that both parties were equally at fault and the woman needs to be punished, but the few facts we have at hand don't really support that at all.

The woman desperately needs to both be known publicly and punished, for reasons.

[celticfan42487]

This is a man who had a friend sleep with his wife. I don’t go by opinions. I go by reality and facts. She should be punished if she’s a staff member and on team payroll. No way around it.

You all want to shame people into agreeing with emotional rants. That is why this country is going to hell. Far too many emotional non-reality posts and no true accountability.

Again, If she’s a STAFF member. She needs to be disciplined as well.

You do realize that IF she was disciplined they wouldn't announce it to the public since she's not a public figure like Udoka, right?
So I don't really understand getting worked up about it when we don't even know if she (or they) were on staff or if they have been disciplined.

Also unless you've seen the company handbook, it may not be a violation to sleep with a superior but may be a violation to sleep w a subordinate.
Further, as others have pointed out the discipline may stem primarily or even exclusively from harassment that took place after a consensual relationship had ended.
You really do seem strangely fixated on the idea that both parties were equally at fault and the woman needs to be punished, but the few facts we have at hand don't really support that at all.

The woman desperately needs to both be known publicly and punished, for reasons.

I heard the woman/women/potentially man we still don't know that for sure that Ime was having relations with likes pineapple on pizza.

Now who is the one that deserves punishment?