Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc... 7.0

[jbk1234]

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So, Bob Kravitz is he only guy reporting anything like his, and he’s a columnist that’s never done beat writing (outside of the Avalanche WAAAAY back when he lived in Denver), and was forced to try and cover the Pacers recently by the Athletic, or have his contract voided.

There might be some truth, or there might not be. Bob isn’t really great at covering basketball. His last stuff he broke on the Pacers was really broken by Shams, and the Athletic had Bob go to the team offices to ask a few questions to support the reporting.

This is interesting because I'm pretty sure Vardon no longer works at the PD because there's bad blood between him and the Cavs organization.

[shrink]

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So, Bob Kravitz is he only guy reporting anything like his, and he’s a columnist that’s never done beat writing (outside of the Avalanche WAAAAY back when he lived in Denver), and was forced to try and cover the Pacers recently by the Athletic, or have his contract voided.

There might be some truth, or there might not be. Bob isn’t really great at covering basketball. His last stuff he broke on the Pacers was really broken by Shams, and the Athletic had Bob go to the team offices to ask a few questions to support the reporting.

Good info. It sounds like a guy just hoping it happens and then pretending to have sources.

Many have said in the past that Myles Turner’s days are numbered. For them, that number has now reached like 750 and counting.

[Darthlukey]

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So, Bob Kravitz is he only guy reporting anything like his, and he’s a columnist that’s never done beat writing (outside of the Avalanche WAAAAY back when he lived in Denver), and was forced to try and cover the Pacers recently by the Athletic, or have his contract voided.

There might be some truth, or there might not be. Bob isn’t really great at covering basketball. His last stuff he broke on the Pacers was really broken by Shams, and the Athletic had Bob go to the team offices to ask a few questions to support the reporting.

Good info. It sounds like a guy just hoping it happens and then pretending to have sources.

Many have said in the past that Myles Turner’s days are numbered. For them, that number has now reached like 750 and counting.

It amazes me that no one has bitten on Turner over the years. I know he is injury prone, but in a vacuum he is a shot blocking shooter. He struggles with true bigs and cannot create, but as a complimentary piece he is amazing. Boston could have had him for Hayward, but we opted for a TPE with the Hornets.

[Scoot McGroot]

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So, Bob Kravitz is he only guy reporting anything like his, and he’s a columnist that’s never done beat writing (outside of the Avalanche WAAAAY back when he lived in Denver), and was forced to try and cover the Pacers recently by the Athletic, or have his contract voided.

There might be some truth, or there might not be. Bob isn’t really great at covering basketball. His last stuff he broke on the Pacers was really broken by Shams, and the Athletic had Bob go to the team offices to ask a few questions to support the reporting.

Good info. It sounds like a guy just hoping it happens and then pretending to have sources.

Many have said in the past that Myles Turner’s days are numbered. For them, that number has now reached like 750 and counting.

He (Kravitz) just paid for his daughters wedding, and has another to pay for, so I think he’s a guy that’s just trying not to lose his paycheck before he retires. I’ve tangentially known him off and on for years. He’s not a basketball guy. He’s not a beat writer. He’s an opinion guy, and he usually is a mildly hot take kind of guy.

I do think that if Myles won’t extend/renegotiate and extend, then he is likely to be dealt by the trade deadline. But I don’t think Myles specifically wants out. I think he just wants to secure his huge payday of his career and change his family tree for generations to come. He’s also a good dude that does a lot of outreach and charitable endeavors. I think he just doesn’t want to lock in a deal without knowing it’s the best he could do?

[Scoot McGroot]

So, Bob Kravitz is he only guy reporting anything like his, and he’s a columnist that’s never done beat writing (outside of the Avalanche WAAAAY back when he lived in Denver), and was forced to try and cover the Pacers recently by the Athletic, or have his contract voided.

There might be some truth, or there might not be. Bob isn’t really great at covering basketball. His last stuff he broke on the Pacers was really broken by Shams, and the Athletic had Bob go to the team offices to ask a few questions to support the reporting.

Good info. It sounds like a guy just hoping it happens and then pretending to have sources.

Many have said in the past that Myles Turner’s days are numbered. For them, that number has now reached like 750 and counting.

It amazes me that no one has bitten on Turner over the years. I know he is injury prone, but in a vacuum he is a shot blocking shooter. He struggles with true bigs and cannot create, but as a complimentary piece he is amazing. Boston could have had him for Hayward, but we opted for a TPE with the Hornets.

Boston didn’t “opt for the TPE”. Ainge tried to play his hand to get a huge deal, or keep Hayward for cheap, and he got flanked from the rear by a different challenger he didn’t foresee. Ainge reportedly tried to trade for Myles again later that year (according to a former Pacers beat writer) but Myles had that huge jump in production, the Sabonis/Turner thing was starting to gel, and there wasn’t a natural trade connection like Hayward.

[NYG]

Is there anything else happening prior to the season that matters? I don't think the Lakers have an opportunity available that is 2 firsts better than trying out just keeping Russell Westbrook first so I don't see a Westbrook deal before the start of the season. Can Crowder make enough of a difference to be noteworthy? Anything else on the radar?

[Darthlukey]

Good info. It sounds like a guy just hoping it happens and then pretending to have sources.

Many have said in the past that Myles Turner’s days are numbered. For them, that number has now reached like 750 and counting.

It amazes me that no one has bitten on Turner over the years. I know he is injury prone, but in a vacuum he is a shot blocking shooter. He struggles with true bigs and cannot create, but as a complimentary piece he is amazing. Boston could have had him for Hayward, but we opted for a TPE with the Hornets.

Boston didn’t “opt for the TPE”. Ainge tried to play his hand to get a huge deal, or keep Hayward for cheap, and he got flanked from the rear by a different challenger he didn’t foresee. Ainge reportedly tried to trade for Myles again later that year (according to a former Pacers beat writer) but Myles had that huge jump in production, the Sabonis/Turner thing was starting to gel, and there wasn’t a natural trade connection like Hayward.

All of that noted and acknowledged, if Turner was perceived as that valuable no way even Danny would be dumb enough to risk not getting Turner. Didnt know about trying to get him later, mind you I think the gelling this was well and truly overblown

[Texas Chuck]

Per Woj Blake Griffin signed a gtd min deal with the Celtics and they still had roster spots so I'm assuming he makes the final 15.

[hugepatsfan]

Per Woj Blake Griffin signed a gtd min deal with the Celtics and they still had roster spots so I'm assuming he makes the final 15.

I like it as much as you can like a signing like this lol

I think he showed last year he can still capably fill regular season minutes. He seems to have settled in nicely as a vet who knows his role, is willing to ride the pine in the playoffs. I also think there's value in having a guy like that who still hasn't been to the Finals - it can help be a voice of focus for a team that might have reason to be complacent after last year and think they can just ride it out to the playoffs.

[Gert42]

Think it's near impossible for Miami unless this drags out until January due to matching salary

Duncan Robinson and a pick?

Who else gives a '23 1st for Crowder?

I'd say since there are currently 14(!) 2023 1st Round picks currently tied up in trades or pick swaps, it may be hard for Phoenix to get a 2023 FRP for Crowder.

[giberish]

Duncan Robinson and a pick?

Who else gives a '23 1st for Crowder?

I'd say since there are currently 14(!) 2023 1st Round picks currently tied up in trades or pick swaps, it may be hard for Phoenix to get a 2023 FRP for Crowder.

The bigger problem with Crowder trades is that he wants to be a starter this season, and to get paid like a starter for several more years going forward. That really limits his market as there are a lot of teams where he'd help as a 1st forward off tbe bench type of role there are few where he really works as a starter.

Miami's perhaps the only good team with a PF hole that Crowder would step in and start for, but as noted they lack matching salaries that make sense.

[zimpy27]

Who else gives a '23 1st for Crowder?

I'd say since there are currently 14(!) 2023 1st Round picks currently tied up in trades or pick swaps, it may be hard for Phoenix to get a 2023 FRP for Crowder.

The bigger problem with Crowder trades is that he wants to be a starter this season, and to get paid like a starter for several more years going forward. That really limits his market as there are a lot of teams where he'd help as a 1st forward off tbe bench type of role there are few where he really works as a starter.

Miami's perhaps the only good team with a PF hole that Crowder would step in and start for, but as noted they lack matching salaries that make sense.

Crowder would start on Lakers I think but they only have Lonnie to offer and a 2023 FRPswap.

Crowder could start on a number of teams as an SF or PF I think.
Heat, Bucks, Bulls, Cavs, Grizz, Lakers, Hornets, Knicks

[patman66]

Good info. It sounds like a guy just hoping it happens and then pretending to have sources.

Many have said in the past that Myles Turner’s days are numbered. For them, that number has now reached like 750 and counting.

It amazes me that no one has bitten on Turner over the years. I know he is injury prone, but in a vacuum he is a shot blocking shooter. He struggles with true bigs and cannot create, but as a complimentary piece he is amazing. Boston could have had him for Hayward, but we opted for a TPE with the Hornets.

Boston didn’t “opt for the TPE”. Ainge tried to play his hand to get a huge deal, or keep Hayward for cheap, and he got flanked from the rear by a different challenger he didn’t foresee. Ainge reportedly tried to trade for Myles again later that year (according to a former Pacers beat writer) but Myles had that huge jump in production, the Sabonis/Turner thing was starting to gel, and there wasn’t a natural trade connection like Hayward.

Scoot, you make it sound like heyward would have signed with the pacers for less if the celts pulled the trigger sooner. He was working with charlotte before the celts were talking to Indy. Hayward knew the market he had that is why he asked for a delay in declaring his intention to opt out. The celts and pacers were like two guys arguing who should ask the girl to the prom while she was already flirting with someone else entirely.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

I'd say since there are currently 14(!) 2023 1st Round picks currently tied up in trades or pick swaps, it may be hard for Phoenix to get a 2023 FRP for Crowder.

The bigger problem with Crowder trades is that he wants to be a starter this season, and to get paid like a starter for several more years going forward. That really limits his market as there are a lot of teams where he'd help as a 1st forward off tbe bench type of role there are few where he really works as a starter.

Miami's perhaps the only good team with a PF hole that Crowder would step in and start for, but as noted they lack matching salaries that make sense.

Crowder would start on Lakers I think but they only have Lonnie to offer and a 2023 FRPswap.

Crowder could start on a number of teams as an SF or PF I think.
Heat, Bucks, Bulls, Cavs, Grizz, Lakers, Hornets, Knicks

Think that list is too generous.

Lakers: Lebron AD 3/4
Bucks: mids and Giannis 3/4
Bulls: probably not benching Patrick Williams for him.
Cavs: not benching their young players for him.
Grizz: brooks and clarke
Knicks: RJ Barrett and randle.

Have a hard time seeing a team trading assets to make him a starter when they have a comparable player or better.

[HornetJail]

I'd say since there are currently 14(!) 2023 1st Round picks currently tied up in trades or pick swaps, it may be hard for Phoenix to get a 2023 FRP for Crowder.

The bigger problem with Crowder trades is that he wants to be a starter this season, and to get paid like a starter for several more years going forward. That really limits his market as there are a lot of teams where he'd help as a 1st forward off tbe bench type of role there are few where he really works as a starter.

Miami's perhaps the only good team with a PF hole that Crowder would step in and start for, but as noted they lack matching salaries that make sense.

Crowder would start on Lakers I think but they only have Lonnie to offer and a 2023 FRPswap.

Crowder could start on a number of teams as an SF or PF I think.
Heat, Bucks, Bulls, Cavs, Grizz, Lakers, Hornets, Knicks

The Hornets aren't starting Crowder over PJ or Hayward. Clifford isn't the coach that's going to start an undersized Ball/Rozier/Hayward/Crowder/PJ lineup either.

[zimpy27]

The bigger problem with Crowder trades is that he wants to be a starter this season, and to get paid like a starter for several more years going forward. That really limits his market as there are a lot of teams where he'd help as a 1st forward off tbe bench type of role there are few where he really works as a starter.

Miami's perhaps the only good team with a PF hole that Crowder would step in and start for, but as noted they lack matching salaries that make sense.

Crowder would start on Lakers I think but they only have Lonnie to offer and a 2023 FRPswap.

Crowder could start on a number of teams as an SF or PF I think.
Heat, Bucks, Bulls, Cavs, Grizz, Lakers, Hornets, Knicks

Think that list is too generous.

Lakers: Lebron AD 3/4
Bucks: mids and Giannis 3/4
Bulls: probably not benching Patrick Williams for him.
Cavs: not benching their young players for him.
Grizz: brooks and clarke
Knicks: RJ Barrett and randle.

Have a hard time seeing a team trading assets to make him a starter when they have a comparable player or better.

Bev, Westbrook, Crowder, LeBron, Davis
Jrue, Middleton, Crowder, Giannis, BroLo
Caruso, LaVine, DeMar, Crowder, Vuc
Garland, Mitchell, Crowder, Mobley, Allen
Ja, Bane, Crowder, JJJ, Adams
Brunson, RJ, Crowder, Randle, Mitch

[NYG]

Jae Crowder and Dario Saric for Nerlens Noel and Alec Burks?

[zimpy27]

Jae Crowder and Dario Saric for Nerlens Noel and Alec Burks?

Maybe, what about Crowder for Reddish to help your Knicks?

[GreatSunnyNorth]

I'd say since there are currently 14(!) 2023 1st Round picks currently tied up in trades or pick swaps, it may be hard for Phoenix to get a 2023 FRP for Crowder.

The bigger problem with Crowder trades is that he wants to be a starter this season, and to get paid like a starter for several more years going forward. That really limits his market as there are a lot of teams where he'd help as a 1st forward off tbe bench type of role there are few where he really works as a starter.

Miami's perhaps the only good team with a PF hole that Crowder would step in and start for, but as noted they lack matching salaries that make sense.

Crowder would start on Lakers I think but they only have Lonnie to offer and a 2023 FRPswap.

Crowder could start on a number of teams as an SF or PF I think.
Heat, Bucks, Bulls, Cavs, Grizz, Lakers, Hornets, Knicks

Does Indy want LA’s unprotected firsts enough to give up what would likely be a later one in 2023? If so then Crowder could fit into the basic Lakers-Pacers structure:

To LAL: Hield, Turner, Crowder
To IND: Westbrook, 1st (LAL-27), 1st (LAL-29)
To PHX: 1st (lowest conveying 1st out of IND-23, BOS-23, CLE-23)

PHX could take on a Walker or a Nesmith if it helps, but would probably be fine filling out the roster with the players already in camp and using the 1st for trade purposes later.

[Resistance]

The bigger problem with Crowder trades is that he wants to be a starter this season, and to get paid like a starter for several more years going forward. That really limits his market as there are a lot of teams where he'd help as a 1st forward off tbe bench type of role there are few where he really works as a starter.

Miami's perhaps the only good team with a PF hole that Crowder would step in and start for, but as noted they lack matching salaries that make sense.

Crowder would start on Lakers I think but they only have Lonnie to offer and a 2023 FRPswap.

Crowder could start on a number of teams as an SF or PF I think.
Heat, Bucks, Bulls, Cavs, Grizz, Lakers, Hornets, Knicks

Does Indy want LA’s unprotected firsts enough to give up what would likely be a later one in 2023? If so then Crowder could fit into the basic Lakers-Pacers structure:

To LAL: Hield, Turner, Crowder
To IND: Westbrook, 1st (LAL-27), 1st (LAL-29)
To PHX: 1st (lowest conveying 1st out of IND-23, BOS-23, CLE-23)

PHX could take on a Walker or a Nesmith if it helps, but would probably be fine filling out the roster with the players already in camp and using the 1st for trade purposes later.

I might be in the minority, but I don't have Crowder able to return a First Round pick.