Castle Black wrote:Soccer fans are nuts man. By far the rowdiest fans in sports.
When the home team won't even allow the opposing fans into the stadium, that should be a tell of the mindset and that things are **** up.
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Castle Black wrote:Soccer fans are nuts man. By far the rowdiest fans in sports.
The4thHorseman wrote:Castle Black wrote:Soccer fans are nuts man. By far the rowdiest fans in sports.
When the home team won't even allow the opposing fans into the stadium, that should be a tell of the mindset and that things are **** up.
Castle Black wrote::wink:The4thHorseman wrote:Castle Black wrote:Soccer fans are nuts man. By far the rowdiest fans in sports.
When the home team won't even allow the opposing fans into the stadium, that should be a tell of the mindset and that things are **** up.
I went to a match in LA a few years ago. It was a friendly between Mexico & Croatia, so it had no real significance whatsoever. Didn’t matter. The fans were going nuts, especially the Mexico fans. They didn’t like the how the game was being officiated and after a Mexican player was given a Red, they started throwing beer at the refs on the pitch and then all over the place at other fans, and it wasn’t long before fights broke out in the stadium. My friends and I (one of whom was wearing a Croatia jersey) got out of there as soon as we could with like 25 min left in the game, and had to avoid getting jump twice on our way out. It was pure chaos.
Blame Rasho wrote:heezyo2o wrote:Blame Rasho wrote:I love soccer but honestly Indonesia has never been on my radar as a football crazy country. I had to check their ranking and they are ranked 155 in fifa which is absurd given how big that country is. Most people know have a grasp of how big that country is.
Population theory never really works in sports otherwise countries like the US would be near the top all the time
It more than population, it is the resources that are put into the sport. There is a reason why a small country like Uruguay is a soccer mainstay.
Castle Black wrote::wink:The4thHorseman wrote:Castle Black wrote:Soccer fans are nuts man. By far the rowdiest fans in sports.
When the home team won't even allow the opposing fans into the stadium, that should be a tell of the mindset and that things are **** up.
I went to a match in LA a few years ago. It was a friendly between Mexico & Croatia, so it had no real significance whatsoever. Didn’t matter. The fans were going nuts, especially the Mexico fans. They didn’t like the how the game was being officiated and after a Mexican player was given a Red, they started throwing beer at the refs on the pitch and then all over the place at other fans, and it wasn’t long before fights broke out in the stadium. My friends and I (one of whom was wearing a Croatia jersey) got out of there as soon as we could with like 25 min left in the game, and had to avoid getting jump twice on our way out. It was pure chaos.
Nuntius wrote:RSP83 wrote:Nuntius wrote:So, based on the article in the OP (and obviously assuming that their reporting is accurate) this is what happened:
- Fans of the home team stormed the pitch after their team lost.
- The police pushed them back into the stands, hitting some with their batons and kicking others.
- Tear gas was launched on the pitch and into the stands as the situation escalated.
- Fans struggled to find refuge and many have subsequently lost their lives after falling to the ground or being trampled on.
- Local media outlet Kompas claims the tear gas did not disperse, leading to shortness of breath and loss of consciousness.
Based on all that, this was not a situation were fans of opposing teams came to blows. This looks to be between and the fans and the police and, sadly, it seems that the police escalated that situation by throwing tear gas into the stands. Doing that is incredibly dangerous. The stands are not a flat surface. If you cannot see due to the tear gas then you can easily trip, fall and get crushed. It also causes panic and panic in such an environment can easily cause stampedes. We have seen that happen in the past in similar events in stadiums (the Karaiskakis Stadium disaster always come to mind when I read about stuff like that but that's definitely because I'm Greek and I grew up hearing about that particular tragedy).
The fact that the tear gas did not disperse could mean that they were expired. I have seen police forces use expired tear gas pretty often in my neck of the woods so it wouldn't shock me if that was the case here. This seems like an extremely sad situation that could have been avoided. I hope that the families of the victims are able to find peace. Rest in peace
I'm a local there. You describe what happened correctly. It's been on the news all day. The whole country is mourning the loss.
Just want to add a few additional details. This match was between 2 of the biggest rivalry in the local league, it's between 2 clubs (Arema and Persebaya) from the same province (East Java). We don't have that kind of rivalry equivalent in the NBA. But this is normal in soccer (usually called derby match).
Yes, the police security protocol was at fault here. But at the same time, Indonesia's national soccer association and the league organizer is one of the worst in the world. Prior to the match they've been warned by security intelligence that they should move the match to earlier time to avoid hosting the match at evening time, which according to the security intelligence they found high security concern/risk. But that warning was ignored. Another stupid thing was the league organizer somehow sold more tickets (42k) more than the stadium capacity allowed (35k). Despite they were also given permission to only sell 25k tickets based on agreement with the police to reduce risk. This was somehow ignored and the police did nothing. Yes, this country is severely corrupted.
Thank you for the reply. A local's perspective is always crucial in situations like this one. I hope that you didn't lose a loved one in this tragedy
The4thHorseman wrote:Castle Black wrote:Soccer fans are nuts man. By far the rowdiest fans in sports.
When the home team won't even allow the opposing fans into the stadium, that should be a tell of the mindset and that things are **** up.
heezyo2o wrote:Blame Rasho wrote:heezyo2o wrote:
Population theory never really works in sports otherwise countries like the US would be near the top all the time
It more than population, it is the resources that are put into the sport. There is a reason why a small country like Uruguay is a soccer mainstay.
Yes of course. Since you mentioned it though, the US puts a lot of money into soccer, much more than smaller countries yet the smaller countries are simply better at that sport.
There is simply lack of interest and it's not part of the culture here...I think that's the biggest difference. If little kids in the US grew up loving soccer like they do say in brazil then I think the US could be a soccer power. Just hard to compete with the NBA and NFL here. Even baseball is falling behind in interest from where it used to be
Doctor MJ wrote:I don't understand why people jump in a thread and say basically, "This thing you're all talking about. I'm too ignorant to know anything about it. Lollerskates!"
RSP83 wrote:The4thHorseman wrote:Castle Black wrote:Soccer fans are nuts man. By far the rowdiest fans in sports.
When the home team won't even allow the opposing fans into the stadium, that should be a tell of the mindset and that things are **** up.
The league organizer and national soccer association made this rule because of past incidents, and only to selected high risk matches. Riots between supporters happened many times, especially when rival teams play each other. There was another incident between another rival teams not too long before covid, that incident was enough for the association to implement this rule. In here, you don't want to be anywhere near these 2 matches between rival teams: Persija Jakarta vs. Persib Bandung, and Persebaya Surabaya vs. Arema Malang (the subject match of this thread).
Ironically, riot still happen, and this incident still happened despite only having the home team supporters in the stand.
heezyo2o wrote:There is simply lack of interest and it's not part of the culture here...I think that's the biggest difference. If little kids in the US grew up loving soccer like they do say in brazil then I think the US could be a soccer power. Just hard to compete with the NBA and NFL here. Even baseball is falling behind in interest from where it used to be
Mamba81p wrote:Castle Black wrote::wink:The4thHorseman wrote:When the home team won't even allow the opposing fans into the stadium, that should be a tell of the mindset and that things are **** up.
I went to a match in LA a few years ago. It was a friendly between Mexico & Croatia, so it had no real significance whatsoever. Didn’t matter. The fans were going nuts, especially the Mexico fans. They didn’t like the how the game was being officiated and after a Mexican player was given a Red, they started throwing beer at the refs on the pitch and then all over the place at other fans, and it wasn’t long before fights broke out in the stadium. My friends and I (one of whom was wearing a Croatia jersey) got out of there as soon as we could with like 25 min left in the game, and had to avoid getting jump twice on our way out. It was pure chaos.
Mexican fans are the worst in North America. Homophonic scumbags. Not much different than some European hooligans.
Unfortunately soccer is not a game that you want to attend in most countries. Trash culture, full of scumbags that are just looking for trouble.
Sedale Threatt wrote:Mamba81p wrote:Castle Black wrote::wink:
I went to a match in LA a few years ago. It was a friendly between Mexico & Croatia, so it had no real significance whatsoever. Didn’t matter. The fans were going nuts, especially the Mexico fans. They didn’t like the how the game was being officiated and after a Mexican player was given a Red, they started throwing beer at the refs on the pitch and then all over the place at other fans, and it wasn’t long before fights broke out in the stadium. My friends and I (one of whom was wearing a Croatia jersey) got out of there as soon as we could with like 25 min left in the game, and had to avoid getting jump twice on our way out. It was pure chaos.
Mexican fans are the worst in North America. Homophonic scumbags. Not much different than some European hooligans.
Unfortunately soccer is not a game that you want to attend in most countries. Trash culture, full of scumbags that are just looking for trouble.
I went to a USA-Mexico match at the Cotton Bowl 15 years or so ago and it was almost apocalyptic. I was covering the game for a newspaper and they actually led us down through the crowd, which was about 95 pct Mexico fans, to the field for interviews. I look over at one point and some dude's burning a freaking phone book. A dude in front of me got hit with a cup of beer. (We think it was beer.) And so on. I imagine a lot of people enjoy that kind of, uh, rowdiness but I look at it like Mardis Gras or a nightclub -- you'd have to pay me to go, and even then I probably wouldn't.
Sedale Threatt wrote:Mamba81p wrote:Castle Black wrote::wink:
I went to a match in LA a few years ago. It was a friendly between Mexico & Croatia, so it had no real significance whatsoever. Didn’t matter. The fans were going nuts, especially the Mexico fans. They didn’t like the how the game was being officiated and after a Mexican player was given a Red, they started throwing beer at the refs on the pitch and then all over the place at other fans, and it wasn’t long before fights broke out in the stadium. My friends and I (one of whom was wearing a Croatia jersey) got out of there as soon as we could with like 25 min left in the game, and had to avoid getting jump twice on our way out. It was pure chaos.
Mexican fans are the worst in North America. Homophonic scumbags. Not much different than some European hooligans.
Unfortunately soccer is not a game that you want to attend in most countries. Trash culture, full of scumbags that are just looking for trouble.
I went to a USA-Mexico match at the Cotton Bowl 15 years or so ago and it was almost apocalyptic. I was covering the game for a newspaper and they actually led us down through the crowd, which was about 95 pct Mexico fans, to the field for interviews. I look over at one point and some dude's burning a freaking phone book. A dude in front of me got hit with a cup of beer. (We think it was beer.) And so on. I imagine a lot of people enjoy that kind of, uh, rowdiness but I look at it like Mardis Gras or a nightclub -- you'd have to pay me to go, and even then I probably wouldn't.
JDR720 wrote:Sedale Threatt wrote:Mamba81p wrote:
Mexican fans are the worst in North America. Homophonic scumbags. Not much different than some European hooligans.
Unfortunately soccer is not a game that you want to attend in most countries. Trash culture, full of scumbags that are just looking for trouble.
I went to a USA-Mexico match at the Cotton Bowl 15 years or so ago and it was almost apocalyptic. I was covering the game for a newspaper and they actually led us down through the crowd, which was about 95 pct Mexico fans, to the field for interviews. I look over at one point and some dude's burning a freaking phone book. A dude in front of me got hit with a cup of beer. (We think it was beer.) And so on. I imagine a lot of people enjoy that kind of, uh, rowdiness but I look at it like Mardis Gras or a nightclub -- you'd have to pay me to go, and even then I probably wouldn't.
Mexican fans are nuts. During a Liga MX game this year they had a riot. They also get regularly punished by FIFA for homophobic chants.
Shock Defeat wrote:So the police caused 150+ people to die. That should be the article title.
Nate505 wrote:Shock Defeat wrote:So the police caused 150+ people to die. That should be the article title.
Kind of. The rioting **** had a lot to do with it as well.
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