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Re: Offseason thread vol 9 - RUN IT BYK 

Post#921 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Oct 3, 2022 12:58 pm

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AirP. wrote:Good news, Lock'd on Heat have deemed Butler, Bam and Herro good enough to be the top 3 players of a championship team. They even said this is a team built through the draft... what?

Who were the second and third best players on the Warriors?

Klay and Green with a historically great #1. I don't see any one of Butler, Bam or Herro being a strong contender as an MVP is what one of them needed to be.


That’s a regular season award, Jimmy was arguably the MVP of the playoffs. He could’ve cancelled out Curry, especially with our defense that gives opposing PGs a hard time
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Post#926 » by Kobewade11 » Mon Oct 3, 2022 4:22 pm

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Post#927 » by Kobewade11 » Mon Oct 3, 2022 4:23 pm

Twix, I wouldnt be surprised if we revisit some form of that deal you mentioned
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Post#930 » by IceColdCubano » Mon Oct 3, 2022 5:20 pm

I posted this on the Herro contract discussion, but it also has information about training camp, so I am also adding the discussion here for everyone.

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IceColdCubano wrote:Alright folks, i was somewhat putoff by this extension. And called up my boy this morning since i wanted to feel better about it and diacuss what he knew. He said some things that explains the why, but im still 50/50 on this, really hoping he proves us all wrong or right depending where your expectations lie. I'll write up all the info i got later during my lunch break.


Hello guys so here is the laydown of what I spoke over the phone:

1. It was presented to the staff in a united front that Herro's extension was done unanimously and none of the senior executives to including ownership vetoed the decision. Whether this is a true statement or not I am not sure because my boy said when they make a decision its usually sold as a united front and they would never say otherwise if anyone was against it or not.

The why: as I previously posted here they had a meeting with Herro's Agent and Herro to discuss a few weeks back, you can all go back and read what I wrote then, I can barely remember what I ate last week. But it was mostly about what Herro had to accomplish and show at training camp to get the extension. Apparently the expectation was he would get extended after training camp and not necessarily exactly at the end of it but he had to show some remarkable adjustments during the off season in training camp. Everyone not in the executive team was under the assumption it probably wasn't going to happen until after the season if it even did as some though Miami wanted to keep their options open and perhaps let him hit Restricted Free Agency.

Herro, showed up to camp in the best shape he has been in this team "the quotes from his interviews aren't wrong he had the best body fat measurements" better than everyone else.
Herro, was the best scorer in training camp, at all facets of scrimmages, 3pt shooting, off the dribble, dribble drives, etc. He was pitted against everyone gunning for a position, Dipo mostly, Caleb, Vince, and of course the vets Jimmy, etc he scored on everyone one and had an easy time doing it. Dipo looked really good in camp, and even then Herro out performed him in the lineups, both scoring and getting the team in sets. His Isolation scoring was what stood out the most and was really showcased this camp.
He didn't just win the starting role, he dominated during scrimmages, he did better in the 3pt shooting mini games against Struss, Caleb, Duncan. The boy really came to camp prepared to win the starting role, and get his extension.
Defensively, he was throwing himself around going for lose balls, was actively positioning himself to take chargers and grabbed a few that looked really painful. While his defense is not at persay level of Jimmy, Lowry, Caleb, and or Dipo on the perimeter, Herro did work really hard to be at the right place, play the switches correctly and do the little things that help weak defenders not get put on an island. He also showed a better base to hold his ground when he was posted up on the block mostly by Jimmy who did this a lot to him. So the effort and IQ is there, he should he could be a net positive in the lineup vs say Struss/Dipo.

Miami understood after the last meeting that Herro's starting point for negotiation was 30M per year as the market was set by some of the contracts handed out. However they understood that it would benefit them to give Herro incentives in his contract to leverage him to continue to work hard to improve hence the added 10M there which benefits both parties. The 30M dollar number was not going to decrease because of the incentives however. The second thing Miami was worried if they left Herro play out the season with a chance to get hurt it would hurt their credibility with the Agent and also it would be in Herros head throughout the season hanging over him about his contract. How Herro played in Camp is how they want him coming into this season, if Herro tries to play it safe by playing not to get hurt, it would essentially also hurt the team by Miami not committing to him.

The Tax situation, is an interesting topic, ownership signed off on this so their is obviously a plan in place to figure this out and not just wait and see what happens. However it was explained that Herro and Bam are indeed the future of the franchise for now, as continuation for the team. Jimmy has not expressed any concern to upper management is actually already made it clear he wants to retire here and walk off into the sunset watching the Youngins specifically Bam take over the team.

Other news:
The best lineup in camp offensively was Lowry, Herro, Jimmy, Bam, Yurt
The best defensive lineup was Struss, Jimmy, Dipo, Caleb, Bam,
Duncan was actually shooting 3's at a higher clip in camp than everyone minus Herro. Jimmy & Struss were actually shooting the 3 and at even clip :o and not to far behind those guys.
Bams shooting he showed in those offseason games was a no show in camp, although he was told to keep shooting, he felt better from the 16-18 ft area, he was abysmal on the 3pt line. However Bams ability to get to the basket is night and day from last season. He will have a higher free throw rate this year for sure, he looked beastly getting to the rim and was pretty much unstoppable on that front.
Dipo was our best isolation defender and showed some increased acceleration and athleticism from last year, was really good getting our fast breaks started. His 3pt shot while looking better was not better than the other guards in fact Vince & Caleb shooting form looked better in camp.
Jovic is not ready for meaningful minutes outside of spot up shooting he was taken advantage off on the defensive side too often and found himself out of position on too many of the sets.
Deadmon was setting some crushing screens on the young guys getting them ready or killing them before the games matter, at one point Spo told him lets not break them before the season started :lol: .
Yurt was the surprise, looked really good in any one lineup combination, looked faster, and had a better feel for Miami's sets and triggers.
Caleb looked really good and all around a definitely 3&D player, there was a lot of him put up against Bam on other lineups to get acustomed to PF archetype he will find himself up against.
The offensive playbook was updated with a new style blended with the one we used before, however it will be slowly implement throughout the season, as the team now needs to get repetitive with it.
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Post#931 » by AirP. » Mon Oct 3, 2022 5:32 pm

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I doubt either of them will be on the opening day roster for the 2023-2024 season. Moving Lowry will probably upset Butler since Lowry is a close friend and was the prize of the 2021 plan but that won't be an issue if they've decided to move him next summer.
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Post#932 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Oct 3, 2022 5:34 pm

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I doubt either of them will be on the opening day roster for the 2023-2024 season.


I think Jimmy will be, Lowry and Duncan won’t. Jimmys retiring here imo
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Post#933 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Oct 3, 2022 5:35 pm

A Duncan resurgence isn’t a want, it’s a need at this point. We need him to have some value on the trade market.
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Post#934 » by twix2500 » Mon Oct 3, 2022 7:56 pm

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I doubt either of them will be on the opening day roster for the 2023-2024 season.


I think Jimmy will be, Lowry and Duncan won’t. Jimmys retiring here imo
Herro as Heat is not locked. He has to prove he is a legit star not just Goran Dragic level of player. This contract only gives him a year to prove that he is untouchable as a trade asset.

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Post#935 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Oct 3, 2022 8:14 pm

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I doubt either of them will be on the opening day roster for the 2023-2024 season.


I think Jimmy will be, Lowry and Duncan won’t. Jimmys retiring here imo
Herro as Heat is not locked. He has to prove he is a legit star not just Goran Dragic level of player. This contract only gives him a year to prove that he is untouchable as a trade asset.

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Post#937 » by Flash4thewin » Mon Oct 3, 2022 8:22 pm

I can see a Westbrick for Butler trade in the horizon. No one will take our trash players for expiring so we cash out on someone who is no longer on the teams timeline. The Lakers trade a pick or two and get Butler to be the Robin to Lebron's Batman. We get a clean slate and two unprotected first round picks. The Lakers get their version of PG-13, someone who can get the team into the playoffs where in theory a healthy LeBron takes over. The Heat bet on the Lakers collapsing and getting two possible lottery picks.

I don't see the Lakers touching Lowry and Duncan.
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Post#938 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Oct 3, 2022 8:24 pm

Flash4thewin wrote:I can see a Westbrick for Butler trade in the horizon. No one will take our trash players for expiring so we cash out on someone who is no longer on the teams timeline. The Lakers trade a pick or two and get Butler to be the Robin to Lebron's Batman. We get a clean slate and two unprotected first round picks. The Lakers get their version of PG-13, someone who can get the team into the playoffs where in theory a healthy LeBron takes over. The Heat bet on the Lakers collapsing and getting two possible lottery picks.

I don't see the Lakers touching Lowry and Duncan.


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Post#939 » by IceColdCubano » Mon Oct 3, 2022 9:20 pm

Damn even when we whiffed on all the superstars our board didn't go this nuclear, we all knew this was coming, all Herro had to do was outplay everyone in camp and win out a starting role, and he was getting his extension. RJ Barret getting that deal pretty much sealed the starting point of negotiations and the players value at around that range.
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Post#940 » by twix2500 » Mon Oct 3, 2022 9:42 pm

The BIG 3 starting lineup:

PG: Lowry
SG: Herro
SF: Butler
PF: Adebayo
Ce: Yurtseven

In order for this to work. Lowry will have to be a low scoring high assist point. Bam has to hit the corner three respectfully. Yurts has to be a stretch version of Bogut. Screen setter, excellent passer, defender and knocking down the 3 from the top. However corner 3 is gonna be important.

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