Official Scottie Barnes Thread 3

[whitehops]

Seems like the common consensus take over the last week or so is that the biggest leap he made in the off season is his physical strength and bounce.

His shot is still very rough and still has a high handle. Not too worried though, it’s not like those things were all of a sudden going to get fixed in a couple of months.

yeah just based off yesterday's preseason game it looks like his handle/shot still aren't close to the level they need to be to take touches away from siakam or FVV.

and to the bolded:

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[HumbleRen]

Seems like the common consensus take over the last week or so is that the biggest leap he made in the off season is his physical strength and bounce.

His shot is still very rough and still has a high handle. Not too worried though, it’s not like those things were all of a sudden going to get fixed in a couple of months.

yeah just based off yesterday's preseason game it looks like his handle/shot still aren't close to the level they need to be to take touches away from siakam or FVV.

and to the bolded:

Watch on YouTube

Was pretty impressed with that dunk attempt, you can see the strength training pop out. Hopefully I'm wrong about the handles and shot but he didn't prove me wrong yesterday thats for sure.

[anotherhomer]

Seems like the common consensus take over the last week or so is that the biggest leap he made in the off season is his physical strength and bounce.

His shot is still very rough and still has a high handle. Not too worried though, it’s not like those things were all of a sudden going to get fixed in a couple of months.

yeah just based off yesterday's preseason game it looks like his handle/shot still aren't close to the level they need to be to take touches away from siakam or FVV.

and to the bolded:

Watch on YouTube

Was pretty impressed with that dunk attempt, you can see the strength training pop out. Hopefully I'm wrong about the handles and shot but he didn't prove me wrong yesterday thats for sure.

Scottie is more of a lite version of Ben Simmons and Giannis presently
It's not a bad thing to have provided he gives enough catch and shoot to keep defenses honest

[Madhouse]

Seems like the common consensus take over the last week or so is that the biggest leap he made in the off season is his physical strength and bounce.

His shot is still very rough and still has a high handle. Not too worried though, it’s not like those things were all of a sudden going to get fixed in a couple of months.

yeah just based off yesterday's preseason game it looks like his handle/shot still aren't close to the level they need to be to take touches away from siakam or FVV.

and to the bolded:

Watch on YouTube

Siakam shot 3/9 or whatever and Fred nearly lost the ball several times. Based on that he will take plenty of touches away from them, you understand how stupid that sounds based on a preseason game?

[brownbobcat]

His shot was on point in the Rico runs. I doubt his shot has regressed in the month since then.

It took Blake Griffin years to build a reliable jumper - I don't think this gets fixed in one offseason.

[Madhouse]

His shot was on point in the Rico runs. I doubt his shot has regressed in the month since then.

It took Blake Griffin years to build a reliable jumper - I don't think this gets fixed in one offseason.

It definitely won't get fixed suddenly at 21 years old, it will rather slowly but consistently get better.

Besides that, big bodies like Barnes usually take longer to develop anyway.

[PhilBlackson]

His shot was on point in the Rico runs. I doubt his shot has regressed in the month since then.

It took Blake Griffin years to build a reliable jumper - I don't think this gets fixed in one offseason.

It definitely won't get fixed suddenly at 21 years old, it will rather slowly but consistently get better.

Besides that, big bodies like Barnes usually take longer to develop anyway.

It doesn't happen overnight...

Remember when Pascal was 22 years old he shot 14% from 3, at 23 years old he was STILL only shooting 22% but they just told him to keep shooting & keep shooting while he works on it. Other than a single down year when he needed shoulder surgery...he's generally been shooting between 34-36%.

Scottie is a year YOUNGER & starting at a higher percentage and all we've done is improve guys' shooting (ie/ Norm, Delon etc), if he gets to 34+%, he's going to be one of the toughest players to stop in the league and I think he'll get there but it's likely a couple more years out before he cleans out most of the kinks in his shot. Personally I think they should work on his turnaround jumper & mid-range in the meantime, with that frame & strength, I could see him being successful adding some "Mailman" type of offence to his bag and when he sees a few of those go down, build some confidence and feel out to the 3pt line.

[Raps in 4]

It took Blake Griffin years to build a reliable jumper - I don't think this gets fixed in one offseason.

It definitely won't get fixed suddenly at 21 years old, it will rather slowly but consistently get better.

Besides that, big bodies like Barnes usually take longer to develop anyway.

It doesn't happen overnight...

Remember when Pascal was 22 years old he shot 14% from 3, at 23 years old he was STILL only shooting 22% but they just told him to keep shooting & keep shooting while he works on it. Other than a single down year when he needed should surgery...he's generally been shooting between 34-36%.

Scottie is a year YOUNGER & starting at a higher percentage and all we've done is improve guys' shooting (ie/ Norm, Delon etc), if he gets to 34+%, he's going to be one of the toughest players to stop in the league and I think he'll get there but it's likely a couple more years out before he cleans out most of the kinks in his shot. Personally I think they should work on his turnaround jumper & mid-range in the meantime, with that frame & strength, I could see him being successful adding some "Mailman" type of offence to his bag and when he sees a few of those go down, build some confidence and feel out to the 3pt line.

Scottie will be a top-10 player by age 24.

[whitehops]

Siakam shot 3/9 or whatever and Fred nearly lost the ball several times. Based on that he will take plenty of touches away from them, you understand how stupid that sounds based on a preseason game?

with small sample sizes shots made, turnovers, etc. can be deceiving but roles/tendencies are much more indicative of what will happen in the upcoming season. barnes played largely off-ball when he was playing with the other starters and didn't create many advantages when he did have the ball.

the jazz are happy to leave conley on an island against scottie and don't help even when he gets to the paint:

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scottie can't take vanderbilt off the dribble and is forced to take a turnaround fadeaway. again, the jazz don't send any help with conley only feigning a dig:

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again, the result is scottie gets two buckets but the tendencies to pick up on are that scottie still hasn't shown the ability to take players off the dribble/create separation and defenses are still happy to send zero help when scottie does attack (even vs. mismatches). that does not bode well creating offense for a team, especially when there are all-nba and all star options on the roster.

there are at least 27 posters (almost a quarter of the people polled) here that think barnes will be the best player on the team by the end of the season so I just think they should temper their expectations.

[Los_29]

Siakam shot 3/9 or whatever and Fred nearly lost the ball several times. Based on that he will take plenty of touches away from them, you understand how stupid that sounds based on a preseason game?

with small sample sizes shots made, turnovers, etc. can be deceiving but roles/tendencies are much more indicative of what will happen in the upcoming season. barnes played largely off-ball when he was playing with the other starters and didn't create many advantages when he did have the ball.

the jazz are happy to leave conley on an island against scottie and don't help even when he gets to the paint:

Watch on YouTube

scottie can't take vanderbilt off the dribble and is forced to take a turnaround fadeaway. again, the jazz don't send any help with conley only feigning a dig:

Watch on YouTube

again, the result is scottie gets two buckets but the tendencies to pick up on are that scottie still hasn't shown the ability to take players off the dribble/create separation and defenses are still happy to send zero help when scottie does attack (even vs. mismatches). that does not bode well creating offense for a team, especially when there are all-nba and all star options on the roster.

there are at least 27 posters (almost a quarter of the people polled) here that think barnes will be the best player on the team by the end of the season so I just think they should temper their expectations.

While I agree with some of what you're saying, in a meaningful game no team would want an undersized guard defending Scottie the way Conley was. They'd absolutely send help. Scottie was actually very dangerous last year from that range. He made smaller players pay.

[will]

So Scottish.
So Barnes.

[whitehops]

While I agree with some of what you're saying, in a meaningful game no team would want an undersized guard defending Scottie the way Conley was. They'd absolutely send help. Scottie was actually very dangerous last year from that range. He made smaller players pay.

that's consistent with last season though, teams rarely sent help even when barnes had a big mismatch in the paint.

this is the playoffs, where the sixers were happy to put guards like maxey and milton on barnes:

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

obviously barnes was able to take advantage in those situations but there's a big difference between doing that and doing what siakam does.

[Los_29]

While I agree with some of what you're saying, in a meaningful game no team would want an undersized guard defending Scottie the way Conley was. They'd absolutely send help. Scottie was actually very dangerous last year from that range. He made smaller players pay.

that's consistent with last season though, teams rarely sent help even when barnes had a big mismatch in the paint.

this is the playoffs, where the sixers were happy to put guards like maxey and milton on barnes:

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

obviously barnes was able to take advantage in those situations but there's a big difference between doing that and doing what siakam does.

Maxey and Milton barely defended Scottie though. He was 3-4 when Maxey defended him and 1-2 with Milton on him. If the Sixers were happy with those guys covering him then they would have had them guard him more. Scottie punishes mismatches as shown in your clips.

In the playoffs, every possession is so important. You can't have Maxey and Milton getting chewed up like that. Sixers obviously didn't like it either as Maxey and Milton barely guarded Scottie. In fact Maxey only defended Scottie for a total of 6 minutes.

And I'm definitely not comparing Pascal to Scottie. Scottie is a ways away from getting to that kind of level and no guarantee he ever does. But he doesn't need to.

[brownbobcat]

that's consistent with last season though, teams rarely sent help even when barnes had a big mismatch in the paint.

this is the playoffs, where the sixers were happy to put guards like maxey and milton on barnes:

obviously barnes was able to take advantage in those situations but there's a big difference between doing that and doing what siakam does.

I'm not sure what the takeaway there is supposed to be. Faceup is a problem, but Scottie will absolutely wreck smaller players on post-ups. He's a decent enough passer out of the double that you can't always send help - he'll currently struggle against mobile bigs that stay with him man-to-man.

[Raps in 4]

While I agree with some of what you're saying, in a meaningful game no team would want an undersized guard defending Scottie the way Conley was. They'd absolutely send help. Scottie was actually very dangerous last year from that range. He made smaller players pay.

that's consistent with last season though, teams rarely sent help even when barnes had a big mismatch in the paint.

this is the playoffs, where the sixers were happy to put guards like maxey and milton on barnes:

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

obviously barnes was able to take advantage in those situations but there's a big difference between doing that and doing what siakam does.

What is the difference?

[720]

Scottie with the fadeaway.



Scottie taking advantage of the guard matchup.

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[Badonkadonk]

Mixed feelings after watching Scottie in game situation vs. Rico runs.

On one hand his continued development offensively is insane, if you think about what expectations were out of FSU. He's going to be a monster in transition and in the half court.

On the other hand, he seems be still be slow on reads on both ends. He'll be a beast again this year in transition, but was really hoping he could start initiating plays as much as Pascal this year. Also, I think his offense is ahead of his defense, especially in halfcourt when rotations are needed.

Can't draw conclusions after 1 game, and I think he gets there eventually, just interesting how my expectations have changed since he was drafted.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Mixed feelings after watching Scottie in game situation vs. Rico runs.

On one hand his continued development offensively is insane, if you think about what expectations were out of FSU. He's going to be a monster in transition and in the half court.

On the other hand, he seems be still be slow on reads on both ends. He'll be a beast again this year in transition, but was really hoping he could start initiating plays as much as Pascal this year. Also, I think his offense is ahead of his defense, especially in halfcourt when rotations are needed.

Can't draw conclusions after 1 game, and I think he gets there eventually, just interesting how my expectations have changed since he was drafted.

Pascal is coming off an all-nba nod. I think Scottie is going to develop normally, but he's never dominated the ball. He came off the bench at FSU and he played off Cade in high school.

He can get to his spots alright, but it's more might than guile or skill at this point. The goal should be to ease the burden of Siakam and VanVleet, not replicate their responsibilities.

[Tha Cynic]

Siakam shot 3/9 or whatever and Fred nearly lost the ball several times. Based on that he will take plenty of touches away from them, you understand how stupid that sounds based on a preseason game?

with small sample sizes shots made, turnovers, etc. can be deceiving but roles/tendencies are much more indicative of what will happen in the upcoming season. barnes played largely off-ball when he was playing with the other starters and didn't create many advantages when he did have the ball.

the jazz are happy to leave conley on an island against scottie and don't help even when he gets to the paint:

Watch on YouTube

scottie can't take vanderbilt off the dribble and is forced to take a turnaround fadeaway. again, the jazz don't send any help with conley only feigning a dig:

Watch on YouTube

again, the result is scottie gets two buckets but the tendencies to pick up on are that scottie still hasn't shown the ability to take players off the dribble/create separation and defenses are still happy to send zero help when scottie does attack (even vs. mismatches). that does not bode well creating offense for a team, especially when there are all-nba and all star options on the roster.

there are at least 27 posters (almost a quarter of the people polled) here that think barnes will be the best player on the team by the end of the season so I just think they should temper their expectations.

I'm not sure if this is a serious post. Are we really analyzing game 1 of preseason and making conclusions?