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Post#161 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Oct 4, 2022 1:50 am

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MGrand15 wrote:We're definitely running plays :lol:



are we? my god i can't tell. i just watched KD dribble drive against a wall of defenders :-?


I think it looked worse cause Ben was really rusty and he was basically playing point. 2nd quarter things started flowing and we actually ran some cool stuff.

Defense has been a little weird until Kyrie of all people set the tone with his aggression lol. We're not switching nearly as much as we could. Lots of miscommunications too.



i need to rewatch the 1st half. things did pick up once KD, Kyrie and Ben got on the floor together
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Post#162 » by sashaturiaf » Tue Oct 4, 2022 1:51 am

I know it's just preseason but that was horrible to suffer through, especially coming back after watching Eurobasket. I think the one key thing I took out of this game is that we desperately need to change the coaching staff, coming back with the same approach expecting different results is madness. I'd give Nash 20 games to show something, if not just cut your losses and try to salvage something out of this team before it goes up in flames.

That is priority above all, other than that

- we need a big man, Sharpe is a nice kid but he's way too raw and simply not ready (if he will ever be)
- Watanabe should be on the roster.
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Post#163 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Oct 4, 2022 1:53 am

MGrand15 wrote:The coaching and accountability really shows when the third string comes in. The defense and pick up game offense has been pretty embarrassing with that group. No timeouts or anything to get it fixed.

Cam, Edwards, and Sharpe have been the 3 worst players on the court by far. Edwards fits the profile of a 3+D guy but his feel for the game is just awful. Like clueless high school player bad.


Player development went out the window once Kenny got fired. Nash could care less.

I said during summer league that none of them looked remotely improved and the same holds true tonight.
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Post#164 » by NetsWorld » Tue Oct 4, 2022 1:56 am

It’s one pre season game. It’s clear and they didn’t lie when they said they want to push the pace, but the half court sets are not even sets. No pin downs: screens, nothing. Just stagnant players. Nash needs to learn to run some damn sets .I hope Igor helps that
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Post#165 » by ArksNetsSince99 » Tue Oct 4, 2022 1:59 am

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MGrand15 wrote:The coaching and accountability really shows when the third string comes in. The defense and pick up game offense has been pretty embarrassing with that group. No timeouts or anything to get it fixed.

Cam, Edwards, and Sharpe have been the 3 worst players on the court by far. Edwards fits the profile of a 3+D guy but his feel for the game is just awful. Like clueless high school player bad.


Player development went out the window once Kenny got fired. Nash could care less.

I said during summer league that none of them looked remotely improved and the same holds true tonight.


I watched on and off but in strides when I watched Philly youngsters looked way more developed and comfortable than our young players

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Post#166 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Oct 4, 2022 2:07 am

O'Neale, Yuta, Morris, and Sumner will be solid rotation players, along with Mills. Then we add Curry and Warren.

Starters: Simmons/Irving/Harris/Durant/Claxton

Bench Rotation: Sumner/Mills/O'Neale/Morris/Watanabe/Curry/Warren

Cam, Edwards, Sharpe are riding the pine or hitting the G League. IMO, Sharpe is the only one who probably doesn't get sent down because we need the size.

Not having a head coach that has expertise in development, or actual know how in how to coach basketball, is hurting these guys. We might as well see if we can trade them for a rotational player.
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Post#167 » by ArksNetsSince99 » Tue Oct 4, 2022 2:10 am

Where is PROK ? I know Nash sucks but I need to be reminded

I promised myself I won’t blame the coach in preseason games , Trash it’s NOT a coach , he needs to go ASAP , I saw flashes of Boston series tonight aka Durant against the world ( read 5 defenders)
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Post#168 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Oct 4, 2022 2:13 am

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MGrand15 wrote:The coaching and accountability really shows when the third string comes in. The defense and pick up game offense has been pretty embarrassing with that group. No timeouts or anything to get it fixed.

Cam, Edwards, and Sharpe have been the 3 worst players on the court by far. Edwards fits the profile of a 3+D guy but his feel for the game is just awful. Like clueless high school player bad.


Player development went out the window once Kenny got fired. Nash could care less.

I said during summer league that none of them looked remotely improved and the same holds true tonight.


I watched on and off but in strides when I watched Philly youngsters looked way more developed and comfortable than our young players

Welcome back guys


Claxton is the only one who looks like a developed player.
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Post#169 » by ArksNetsSince99 » Tue Oct 4, 2022 2:16 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
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Player development went out the window once Kenny got fired. Nash could care less.

I said during summer league that none of them looked remotely improved and the same holds true tonight.


I watched on and off but in strides when I watched Philly youngsters looked way more developed and comfortable than our young players

Welcome back guys


Claxton is the only one who looks like a developed player.


Yes but I think it’s more natural growth, he got all the tools and if he stays healthy and improve his FT % he won’t be bagging groceries anytime soon lol
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Post#170 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Oct 4, 2022 2:23 am

Paradise wrote:Ben is going to change this franchise. Once the chemistry hits.


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it's not going to be easy but i think Ben is the key to unlocking this whole thing. On both ends of the floor.
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Post#171 » by sashaturiaf » Tue Oct 4, 2022 2:35 am

MrDollarBills wrote:O'Neale, Yuta, Morris, and Sumner will be solid rotation players, along with Mills. Then we add Curry and Warren.

Starters: Simmons/Irving/Harris/Durant/Claxton

Bench Rotation: Sumner/Mills/O'Neale/Morris/Watanabe/Curry/Warren

Cam, Edwards, Sharpe are riding the pine or hitting the G League. IMO, Sharpe is the only one who probably doesn't get sent down because we need the size.

Not having a head coach that has expertise in development, or actual know how in how to coach basketball, is hurting these guys. We might as well see if we can trade them for a rotational player.


Agree with that roster, none of the other non guaranteed guys showed anything. I'm also not exactly sure on how 2-way or G-league roster spots work but if carrying Kessler+Cam+Duke+Sharpe hinders us in terms of bringing in immediate help then we need to cut bait even if it means just getting a 2nd rounder back. They simply don't fit our timeframe.

However all this roster manuevering is for naught if Nash isn't replaced. While I have no doubt our offense will come around since there is simply too much talent to fail, I see no avenue where Nash can lead us to 4 straight series wins against vastly superior coaches.
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Post#172 » by sashaturiaf » Tue Oct 4, 2022 2:38 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
ArksNetsSince99 wrote:
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Player development went out the window once Kenny got fired. Nash could care less.

I said during summer league that none of them looked remotely improved and the same holds true tonight.


I watched on and off but in strides when I watched Philly youngsters looked way more developed and comfortable than our young players

Welcome back guys


Claxton is the only one who looks like a developed player.


Clax was great today, that slight baby deer gait he had is gone he is striding and moving out there like a grown man with purpose.
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Post#173 » by Decipher » Tue Oct 4, 2022 2:46 am

My only impression was that team lacked cohesion early on and a couple of players will be far better for the run

In other words, it's pre season

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Post#174 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Oct 4, 2022 2:53 am

sashaturiaf wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
ArksNetsSince99 wrote:
I watched on and off but in strides when I watched Philly youngsters looked way more developed and comfortable than our young players

Welcome back guys


Claxton is the only one who looks like a developed player.


Clax was great today, that slight baby deer gait he had is gone he is striding and moving out there like a grown man with purpose.


Yep. He made decisive moves to the rim.

I think that we can survive with Simmons and Claxton next to KD/Kyrie/Joe.
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Post#175 » by CalamityX12 » Tue Oct 4, 2022 3:27 am

Wonder what intelligent people think when they see our offensive sets from nets brass...

Same ish, pointless coaching
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Post#176 » by MGrand15 » Tue Oct 4, 2022 4:47 am

I actually like some of what we did offensively. The key is to not ditch it after a couple of weeks. It's easy to run stuff now when it's fresh off training camp. The good teams keep building throughout the year. The bad ones go back to bad habits. Second key is Ben needs to get more comfortable. Hopefully that comes with time.

I got bored and decided to save a few plays I liked.

NBA offense doesn't need to be rocket science. Here's a play that could easily turn into a KD iso. Clax sneaks behind the defense and sets a flare screen for Kyrie. If that pass isn't there, KD has a ton of space to attack. It can flow right into a PNR for KD too.



This is what happens when the big steps up to stop the Kyrie 3. With Joe + Patty in the corner, this play is almost too easy. What I like about this simple action is that it doesn't let the defense ignore Claxton because he can't shoot. If they stay in the paint, it's a wide open look for Kyrie.



This is kind of a counter off the same action. Kyrie fakes the flare screen and takes a handoff from KD. Now KD is the one using the off ball screen. You could see the center not know whether he should help towards Kyrie or KD and gets stuck in the middle. Ben's defender technically could stopped Kyrie's drive but you could see the idea.



This is just the sort of stuff we would run with Kenny + MDA. It was gone last year. Spain PNR with KD setting the 2nd screen. He doesn't make contact like he's supposed to but the action causes enough confusion where he gets a great look.



Probably one of my favorite ones. Ben + Day'ron fake a PNR. It's just a decoy that set up a down screen for Joe Harris. Joe's defender gets blindsided by the screen and that's a layup from 3. Joe's back screen in the beginning sets it up.



This is just an awesome transition pass from Ben. 7 seconds left in the half and he has the confidence to look off Royce's defender so he doesn't get to him in time. His decision making in transition is really good.

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Post#177 » by Hello Brooklyn » Tue Oct 4, 2022 6:02 am

MGrand15 wrote:The coaching and accountability really shows when the third string comes in. The defense and pick up game offense has been pretty embarrassing with that group. No timeouts or anything to get it fixed.

Cam, Edwards, and Sharpe have been the 3 worst players on the court by far. Edwards fits the profile of a 3+D guy but his feel for the game is just awful. Like clueless high school player bad.


Its 1 game.

I'm still hopeful we can get something from Kess.

But I agree he didn't show it tonight.
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Post#178 » by NetsWorld » Tue Oct 4, 2022 11:18 am

MGrand15 wrote:I actually like some of what we did offensively. The key is to not ditch it after a couple of weeks. It's easy to run stuff now when it's fresh off training camp. The good teams keep building throughout the year. The bad ones go back to bad habits. Second key is Ben needs to get more comfortable. Hopefully that comes with time.

I got bored and decided to save a few plays I liked.

NBA offense doesn't need to be rocket science. Here's a play that could easily turn into a KD iso. Clax sneaks behind the defense and sets a flare screen for Kyrie. If that pass isn't there, KD has a ton of space to attack. It can flow right into a PNR for KD too.



This is what happens when the big steps up to stop the Kyrie 3. With Joe + Patty in the corner, this play is almost too easy. What I like about this simple action is that it doesn't let the defense ignore Claxton because he can't shoot. If they stay in the paint, it's a wide open look for Kyrie.



This is kind of a counter off the same action. Kyrie fakes the flare screen and takes a handoff from KD. Now KD is the one using the off ball screen. You could see the center not know whether he should help towards Kyrie or KD and gets stuck in the middle. Ben's defender technically could stopped Kyrie's drive but you could see the idea.



This is just the sort of stuff we would run with Kenny + MDA. It was gone last year. Spain PNR with KD setting the 2nd screen. He doesn't make contact like he's supposed to but the action causes enough confusion where he gets a great look.



Probably one of my favorite ones. Ben + Day'ron fake a PNR. It's just a decoy that set up a down screen for Joe Harris. Joe's defender gets blindsided by the screen and that's a layup from 3. Joe's back screen in the beginning sets it up.



This is just an awesome transition pass from Ben. 7 seconds left in the half and he has the confidence to look off Royce's defender so he doesn't get to him in time. His decision making in transition is really good.




If we can incorporate these sets, this team will resemble the team of two years ago. I’m confident they will do it.
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Post#179 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Oct 4, 2022 1:54 pm

MGrand15 wrote:I actually like some of what we did offensively. The key is to not ditch it after a couple of weeks. It's easy to run stuff now when it's fresh off training camp. The good teams keep building throughout the year. The bad ones go back to bad habits. Second key is Ben needs to get more comfortable. Hopefully that comes with time.

I got bored and decided to save a few plays I liked.

NBA offense doesn't need to be rocket science. Here's a play that could easily turn into a KD iso. Clax sneaks behind the defense and sets a flare screen for Kyrie. If that pass isn't there, KD has a ton of space to attack. It can flow right into a PNR for KD too.



This is what happens when the big steps up to stop the Kyrie 3. With Joe + Patty in the corner, this play is almost too easy. What I like about this simple action is that it doesn't let the defense ignore Claxton because he can't shoot. If they stay in the paint, it's a wide open look for Kyrie.



This is kind of a counter off the same action. Kyrie fakes the flare screen and takes a handoff from KD. Now KD is the one using the off ball screen. You could see the center not know whether he should help towards Kyrie or KD and gets stuck in the middle. Ben's defender technically could stopped Kyrie's drive but you could see the idea.



This is just the sort of stuff we would run with Kenny + MDA. It was gone last year. Spain PNR with KD setting the 2nd screen. He doesn't make contact like he's supposed to but the action causes enough confusion where he gets a great look.



Probably one of my favorite ones. Ben + Day'ron fake a PNR. It's just a decoy that set up a down screen for Joe Harris. Joe's defender gets blindsided by the screen and that's a layup from 3. Joe's back screen in the beginning sets it up.



This is just an awesome transition pass from Ben. 7 seconds left in the half and he has the confidence to look off Royce's defender so he doesn't get to him in time. His decision making in transition is really good.




Fantastic post and it really helps to understand what is being run.

Ben made some nice passes last night.
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Post#180 » by gigantes » Tue Oct 4, 2022 3:38 pm

Really appreciate that work, MGrand.
For an old streetball casual like me, it's always interesting seeing people trained in the game explain what's going on. With the proper terminology, of course, which I'm still struggling to get right at times. :S

Btw, one thing I'd meant to share here earlier was Mark P's amazing Nets blog analysis site, which to me seems on the level of Matty Bangout's (Matt Brooks) work:
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Maybe MGrand wants to make it a trio? :D

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