2022-2023 Preseason Game 1: Orlando Magic (0-0) at Memphis Grizzlies (1-0) - 8pm

[The-Stallion70]

I'm rewatching this, Suggs isnt very good sorry

You don't have to be sorry. It's an objectively factual statement. The dude sucks right now. Let's hope he figures it out.

Yeah it's like I'm watching wondering how he was the 4th pick? When he was guarding Bane, Bane just looked way stronger and faster and just better. His athleticism doesn't stand out out to me but it's like every now and then he freaks out and goes all out diving on the floor and fouling or flinging the ball all around like he's realizing that's he's just not that good currently compared to NBA players.

Cole honestly didn't look too bad to me, he has some scoring ability but on the current team it's like he has to try to do too much because there aren't very many other options, especially with no Franz.

[SOUL]

Franz is definitely the cog to this offense especially as Paolo learns the game. Franz is going to be called upon to be our #1 scorer more often than not and is a secondary ball handler who doesn't make that many mistakes. And Fultz, while not a shooting thread, knows how to get people open and run an offense.

Having NEITHER of them and relying on guys who are high turnover prone and not great shooters either is a recipe for disaster against one of the best teams in the league.

[fateis007]

Orlando's starting lineup had 18 turnovers and 5 assist tonight

[thelead]

You don't have to be sorry. It's an objectively factual statement. The dude sucks right now. Let's hope he figures it out.

Last year he had a ton of injuries. He seems relatively healthy right now, no excuses, he was plain terrible. We need a lead guard and he surely seems like a career back up right now. Yea it's preseason, so what, show that you've grown, that you can handle the pressure. He showed that right now he still can't.

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You can't apply this logic because if he played well this game everybody would say that he's the future and turned a corner and that wouldn't be true either if he sucked the rest of the preseason and into the season. He either makes the jump or he doesn't.

This is very much true but I honestly can't remember many .500 shooting nights from Suggs let alone a single 2-game streak of them. This poor game, however, is a continuation of a many strings of poor games. It's all about averages. A bad game here or there isn't the end of the world but consistently playing like garbage is a problem. We'll see though. On to the next one.

[pepe1991]

Well...that was... something.
It's unrealistic to expect players to learn basketball from late April to mid october. If that's possible you would see superstars born in G league in mid 20s. But that's not reality.
PLayers improve, but don't become brand new players, rather improved versions of themselfs, improving skills they already had, getting bit better at things they weren't good at . But that " getting better" for majority of players continues to be weakness,by nba standards, for rest of their careers in most cases. Because NBA "GOOD " at some skill equals uber elite by normal basketball standards.

There isn't much to be said really.
Suggs looks like american football player who plays basketball. Lacks creativity, can't see open lines, crushes into closed ones. Shoots execlly how NFL player trying basketball would shoot- throwing bricks.

Bol is bad version of Bamba who is already unplayble in nba on serious teams. Bol can only play center because he has no mobility to play anything else ( guy is painfully slow with his shooting motion and even slower while dribbling ) , and in same time he has no skills to play center ( nor weight ).

There is clear lack of leadership & experience and too many young players who don't understand their role.
When you have talent like Franz, we saw in Eurobasket how useful he can be when he plays along side veteran PG who understands how to run offense and manipulate defense.
Banchero can't play SF, it's complete waste of time in nba to play him there. NBA small forwards are some of most elite athletes in whole world, he can't keep up. Let a guy be PF.

i have fear that we will be watching those frankenstein's monster lineups whole year and results will be pretty bad.

[Rainwater]

Jabari was great the other night…

Other than playing the Spurs Jabari literally has one job and that's to shoot and that he did well. Paolo has far more responsibilities on this magic team. Paolo will need time.

Our roster also doesn’t make much sense in the modern NBA. I can absolutely see a scenario where Paolo is the better player but Jabari looks better around his roster. It’ll be fun to watch. I’m gutted that we can’t watch Chet this year.

The magic are still building their roster, they're are a few years from a finished product. Hence why the lineup looks so dysfunctional. And Jabari looks better because he has 2 other alphas, Green and Porter, that create his shots for him. Once Paolo get used to the speed of the game he will just fine.

[fateis007]

Other than playing the Spurs Jabari literally has one job and that's to shoot and that he did well. Paolo has far more responsibilities on this magic team. Paolo will need time.

Our roster also doesn’t make much sense in the modern NBA. I can absolutely see a scenario where Paolo is the better player but Jabari looks better around his roster. It’ll be fun to watch. I’m gutted that we can’t watch Chet this year.

The magic are still building their roster, they're are a few years from a finished product. Hence why the lineup looks so dysfunctional. And Jabari looks better because he has 2 other alphas, Green and Porter, that create his shots for him. Once Paolo get used to the speed of the game he will just fine.

I am not very worried about Paolo. He had literally no spacing to work with and our Coach played him terribly in that regard. Out of position, and barely even took advantage of him being 6'11, 255 at SF.

Even the announcers for the other team were perplexed by his Coaching and what he was doing with Paolo.

The bottom line is when a team that already is top in the league (Memphis) that has a playoff tested team, and plays good defense, gets a team like the magic, they probably salivate. They can cheat/collapse/swipe at everything and shut down any single player they want because of it.

I am more worried that our Coach is clueless and the rest of the guys were surrounding him with. We will see how it goes.

[Optimus_Steel]

Our roster also doesn’t make much sense in the modern NBA. I can absolutely see a scenario where Paolo is the better player but Jabari looks better around his roster. It’ll be fun to watch. I’m gutted that we can’t watch Chet this year.

The magic are still building their roster, they're are a few years from a finished product. Hence why the lineup looks so dysfunctional. And Jabari looks better because he has 2 other alphas, Green and Porter, that create his shots for him. Once Paolo get used to the speed of the game he will just fine.

I am not very worried about Paolo. He had literally no spacing to work with and our Coach played him terribly in that regard. Out of position, and barely even took advantage of him being 6'11, 255 at SF.

Even the announcers for the other team were perplexed by his Coaching and what he was doing with Paolo.

The bottom line is when a team that already is top in the league (Memphis) that has a playoff tested team, and plays good defense, gets a team like the magic, they probably salivate. They can cheat/collapse/swipe at everything and shut down any single player they want because of it.

I am more worried that our Coach is clueless and the rest of the guys were surrounding him with. We will see how it goes.

On the defense of Mosley, our front office has not added shooting in recent years so we have a glut of random guys that can't shoot. And why did they resign Bol Bol when they planned on keeping Bamba? Just to collect more long guys that don't work in the modern NBA?

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[DiplomaticMagic]

That was a slap to the face.

I'm really done with the Bamba and WCJ lineup. They should never play together. Heck, Im done with Bamba period.

The biggest thing to look forward to was Suggs improvement and he stunk.

The staff were hyping up Bol Bol. But he didn't really do anything. But I still rather him play than Bamba.

Im also done with Terrence Ross. Id trade him for anything at this point. What vet presence does he provide?? Was it him teaching Caleb to chuck 4 3pt bricks??

I'm really sad that our best guard today was Rj Hampton

[Ducklett]

So based on this thread everyone sucks, Franz is the only NBA level basketball player on the team, and we will be picking top 3 again. Sound about right?

[DiplomaticMagic]

Even though I was optimistic coming into this season, I was worried about this game. Because Memphis gave us our worst losses of the season last year. They embarrassed us at home, one of worst losses in my recent memory. We did not look improved today.

[JF5]

It was one Preseason game without some key players. Even if those players played, it's one Preseason Game.

This... I'm not going to get too high or too low about performance. We've seen how preseason is from years past. It's really about getting into game shape and trying new concepts/roles.

We've seen over the years the preseason Superstars who were only truly role players when the Season proceeded.

[DiplomaticMagic]

Also I hope its not an omen for the season, but my league pass was unplayable on my ps5. I had to watch on laptop. I really hope its not like that for the season as I like to watch everything comfortably on my tv through console.

[Howard Mass]

It was one Preseason game without some key players. Even if those players played, it's one Preseason Game.

This... I'm not going to get too high or too low about performance. We've seen how preseason is from years past. It's really about getting into game shape and trying new concepts/roles.

We've seen over the years the preseason Superstars who were only truly role players when the Season proceeded.

and remember, some guy named Franz Wagner did not have a good Preseason last year.

[KillMonger]

Honestly if Franz played tonight I don't think bamba would've started.

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[zaymon]

I dont care about the loss but i didnt like the way we played. Nobody could make it to the rim, we just passed on the perimeter. I know getting Wagner back and moving Banchero to pf will help but still rest of the guys seemed clueless.
Banchero said he is not used to making reads in pnr and it showed. Franz is going to get a lot of pnr looks.
Carter needs to play more inside, he cant just chuck 3s. Banchero had a lot of mismatches in the post but nobody was smart enough to get him the ball. God all i want is Franz back.

[pepe1991]

Out 89 shots taken, 54 were threes.

Sounds great, if you are Warriors...Not so great if Mortiz Wagner is your best shooter.

[Def Swami]

Magic Basketball! We back!

[drsd]

Hampton playing like an NBA guard. Nice!

[zaymon]

I see no synergy between our system and players we have. Its like Mosley has one idea and doesnt change it regardless of who is on the floor.
5 out drive and kick system. Its hard to use it when literally no one in the starting 5 can shoot and finish inside at the same time. It worked well with reserves becouse Mo Wagner, Devin Cannady and to some extent Ross know what they are doing.
Getting Franz will change the dynamic becouse he can at least dribble the ball, but is it smart to build 5 man system with 1 player fitting ? ( Gary Harris is another when he is back)