Offseason thread vol 9 - RUN IT BYK

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Lowry and our picks for SGA, this is the way Pat. Elite young talent with a current MVP level player

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Ok so rest for Dipo, that’s a relief. An injury even if minor would be a buzzkill right now

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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So are we going to let him play free or keep the handcuffs on?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[Wiltside]

I want to see Bam and/or Yurt letting it fly tomorrow. Don’t even care about makes. Just show me you’re willing.

[MorbidHEAT]

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So the best 3 point shooting team in the league is about to take another step this season aren’t they?

I said it when the season ended. I think Duncan is going to have a super strong bounce back season.

If Duncan is back to being Duncan, Bam takes the leap we have all wanted him to take in shooting and being a offensive weapon, Dipo plays like the flashes he showed last year offensively and defensively, Kyle is in shape and is a high assist and stabilizing force, and Tyler makes another jump...we are a tough team to beat. I know I just said a lot of "if's", but they are all very possible if's.

[MorbidHEAT]

I want to see Bam and/or Yurt letting it fly tomorrow. Don’t even care about makes. Just show me you’re willing.

I may be wrong about this, but wasn't Yurt initially scouted as a 3 shooting big...similar to Meyers Leonard style game with better rebounding?

[gom]

He didn't take many 3s. His defense was celebrated but mostly he was considered physically gifted and very raw.

I want to see Bam and/or Yurt letting it fly tomorrow. Don’t even care about makes. Just show me you’re willing.

I may be wrong about this, but wasn't Yurt initially scouted as a 3 shooting big...similar to Meyers Leonard style game with better rebounding?

https://nbadraftroom.com/p/omer-yurtseven/

Has a solid frame with good length and strength. Holds his own in the paint and battles hard to get position. Has good coordination and mobility, although he doesn’t blow you away with end to end speed.

Can score with either hand and is becoming a real threat with his back to the basket. Has very good shooting form and range out to 3. Looks capable of becoming a good NBA three point shooter in time.

Faces up well and has a variety of moves to find his shot in the mid range. Uses ball screens well and can shoot off the dribble well for a big man. Shows good patience with the ball in his hands and plays under control.

Fundamentally sound on the defensive end. Gets position well and does a good job of avoiding fouls. Has all the physical tools to hold his own at the NBA level and has an intriguing amount of upside.

Isn’t a big time run-n-jump athlete and doesn’t have ideal speed. Doesn’t project as much of a rim protector at the next level.

Needs to improve his help defense and defensive rotations.

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/omer-yurtseven/

Strengths: Even though his numbers in college don’t necessarily show it, Yurtseven’s biggest strength is his versatility on offense … He’s a threat to score from virtually anywhere on the floor is extremely talented from 10-18 feet … He’s got great length and an ability to knock down shots from beyond the arc in addition to his mid-range capabilities … He didn’t shoot very many three’s at the college level but he has shown overseas and in multiple workouts that he can do just that … He has a smooth stroke and good mechanics on his jumper and is a good rebounder when he wants to be and when he is engaged, particularly on the offensive glass … He already has some pro experience under his belt which will serve him well if he were to be drafted and remain on a roster during his first season …

Weaknesses: For all of the talk of Yurtseven’s ability to score the basketball, he lacks any true post moves and the ability to provide much as it pertains to post scoring, at least he did at NC State this season … He’s more of a finesse player as opposed to a guy who is going to bang down low … He is easily moved off of his spots by most defenders and he doesn’t really get good position down low during post ups … He tends to shy away from most contact on both sides of the ball and was routinely taken advantage of on the defensive glass … After sitting out the first nine games of NC State’s season, Yurtseven looked lost a times on the floor and aside from one or two games, never seemed to get any rhythm going … Athleticism could be a concern for him as well as the next level as he doesn’t grade out with the athleticism of some of his peers (John Collins, Bam Adebayo, Ivan Rabb, Harry Giles, etc) … He struggled at the combine with his lane agility and overall vertical …

Overall: A 91 point, 28 rebound game overseas in 2016 really allowed Yurtseven to burst onto the scene as a potential NBA prospect … He played sparingly in Europe for Fenerbahçe and decided to come to the States to play in the NCAA … A shortened season with the Wolfpack did little to help Yurtseven’s stock as he didn’t come close to putting up the numbers that most thought he would after his time in the Euroleague … His 5.9 points and 4.4 rebound numbers in limited minutes for NC State were far from eye popping but he did showcase his ability to score anywhere on the court … Euro scouts love him and his game as it fits well overseas but so do some NBA scouts who feel that his height, length and smooth stroke make him a great fit for the new age NBA center … He currently projects as a late first to early second round pick and it could be a year or two before he actually plays in the NBA as he could be a nice overseas stash for a team that would pay big dividends if he continues to fill out his frame, get stronger and become a better low post player.

Clayton Crowe 5/16/2017

Strengths: Has a well rounded set of attributes, with touch, intensity and length to be a defensive factor … He has soft hands which makes him a good finisher … His post game is polished for such a young player … He shows the ability to use both hands around the basket … His favorite move is going over his right shoulder … Combine his soft touch with very good footwork, and he becomes a handful for defenders … He goes hard for rebounds, understanding positioning and has exceptional anticipation … In his short career, he has played against some very physical guys but has acquitted ahimself … He is a mobile center with quick feet … He is very useful in PnR with great feel … He is a good mid range shooter and very good three point shooter for this position … He is showing that he is not just a pick and roll player, but also effective in pick and pop … He doesn’t have perfect shooting mechanics, however he hits at a very good percentage. 2 years ago, those three point shot wasn’t a part of his repertoire … He has been showing great improvement with his consistency … Having the ability to score from inside and out gives him an excellent base for such a young player … Has an advanced basketball IQ … His experience level is very high for a young player … Good composure. Understands how to deal with double teams well … His main priority is not himself but the team system. Very composed for 17. He doesn’t lose focus or down on himself when things aren’t going his way … Good athlete with solid leaping ability … On the defense side, his IQ stands out … He rarely responds to fakes. Defensive positioning is high level … He is very useful in defending screens thanks to his quick feet … Also shows good rim protection potential due to his long arms and leaping …

Weaknesses: He is still skinny, although he’s gained good strength since last season. He has improved his body, but still needs to add some muscle to his body … On the senior level, he struggles to hold position against the athletic and physical opponents … His lack of strength casuses problems with balance and finishing through contact … The most important variable in his development will be his body and putting on the right amount of strength without inhibiting any of his speed and mobility … Even though he is always seeking the right passing channels, due to the lack of vision and anticipation, he doesn’t always succeed at giving good passes … His passes can be a little bit lazy. He is slow to react to teammates on cuts … In practice he shows better comfort level, but it hasn;t translated to games thus far … Not a reliable free throw shooter at this point … He is roughly a 50% free throw shooter at this point, so practice and repition will be important …

Outlook: He is definitely NBA material. He can play both PF and C … High level rebounding, shooting skills and basketball IQ are his main skills … He should continue to develop his weaknesses in order to realize his unique talent … In the Turkish basketball league and Euroleague, there’s no one receiving the same significant minutes at his age … This is a very important season for him under Obradovic’s wings … Will be eligible to declare for the 2017 draft …

Notes: 17 year old Ömer Faruk Yurtseven, standing at 6’11’’the center is one of the top prospects in Europe. He has been part of Turkish U-16 and U-18 teams … He had 3 great youth tournaments where he dominated the painted area … In 2013, he averaged 3.8 PPG, 4.2 RPG … After this year, he improved his stats by finishing the tournament with 15.1 PPG and 8.1 RPG … In the latest tournament, he was in the shadow of another high profile prospect Korkmaz, he averaged 9.8 PPG, 8.7 RPG … When everyone had just started to mumble about his performance since the expectations were much higher than what he had shown, he has managed to leap forward … He is currently playing for Fenerbahçe which had couple of preparation games with NBA teams. Yurtseven got very significant minutes against Nets and Thunders during this tour from legendary coach Obradovic … Unexpectedly, he has begun to receive minutes in Turkish league (The top level of European basketball along with Spanish League) and Euroleague where he has shown his quality so far …

Merih Sorkut 12/2/15

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Season        School     Conf   MP   FG  FGA  FG%   2P  2PA  2P%   3P  3PA  3P%   FT  FTA  FT%  PTS
2016-17     NC State      ACC 18.9  2.4  5.3 .457  2.4  5.1 .460  0.0  0.1 .333  1.0  1.5 .719  5.9
2017-18     NC State      ACC 23.8  5.7  9.9 .572  5.0  8.6 .583  0.7  1.3 .500  1.5  2.4 .613 13.5
2018-19                       Tran Tran Tran Tran Tran Tran Tran Tran Tran Tran Tran Tran Tran Tran
2019-20   Georgetown Big East 27.3  6.3 11.9 .534  6.2 11.3 .549  0.1  0.5 .214  2.7  3.6 .753 15.5
Career                Overall 23.6  5.0  9.3 .539  4.7  8.5 .548  0.3  0.8 .426  1.8  2.5 .693 12.1
                     NC State 21.9  4.4  8.1 .542  3.9  7.2 .548  0.4  0.9 .489  1.3  2.0 .643 10.5
                   Georgetown 27.3  6.3 11.9 .534  6.2 11.3 .549  0.1  0.5 .214  2.7  3.6 .753 15.5


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Generated 10/3/2022.

[AirP.]

KZ sighting!

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[heatwillbeback]

KZ sighting!

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Apparently Brown is bamboozled.

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In all seriousness, wishing KZ the best and that he sticks in the league. But starting him at this point seems funny.

[RexBoyWonder]

KZ sighting!

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Apparently Brown is bamboozled.

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In all seriousness, wishing KZ the best and that he sticks in the league. But starting him at this point seems funny.

If KZ becomes that elite switchable defender with a 3 point shot ON THE KINGS...

I just might quit

[puppa bear]

KZ sighting!

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Apparently Brown is bamboozled.

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In all seriousness, wishing KZ the best and that he sticks in the league. But starting him at this point seems funny.

If KZ becomes that elite switchable defender with a 3 point shot ON THE KINGS...

I just might quit

Don’t be surprised when it happens. KZ always looked like the type of player who needed a cheerleader as a coach, which isn’t Spo. Brown loves the kid, absolutely loves him. So he’s gonna feed the confidence and get the best out of him.

It’s not a knock on Spo, or the FO, but we just weren’t the right team for him.

[Wiltside]

Was just reading the Red, White and Pink scrimmage recap on Heat.com

Sounds like Yurt hit threes at the top of the key and corner, and Bam was 3/4 from deep too. It’s only a scrimmage, so remains to be seen how it translates, but encouraging all the same.

Spo also sounds open to mixing and matching lineups - the “small” lineup, the “big” lineup and the “shooters” lineup.

[AirP.]

Was just reading the Red, White and Pink scrimmage recap on Heat.com

Sounds like Yurt hit threes at the top of the key and corner, and Bam was 3/4 from deep too. It’s only a scrimmage, so remains to be seen how it translates, but encouraging all the same.

Spo also sounds open to mixing and matching lineups - the “small” lineup, the “big” lineup and the “shooters” lineup.

The Locked on Heat guys, specifically Wes Goldberg, said Bam hit 3 3s but took 10-12 3s (around 1:30 in the video below, then around 3:00 said he took around a dozen). They seem very encouraged by the scrimmage. Did mention Jovic made a step back 3 himself and looked fine some times and looked lost a lot. They also mentioned that Butler didn't take a shot.

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[twix2500]

Really hoping Duncan returns to being elite shooter and stop putting his hands on players when he defends. Really hoping that Strus develops rim pressure skills that 3Hammy fantasized about. Hoping Vincent gains point guard skills. And I'm rooting for Nunn out in LaLa Land.

Might check in on LA forum. Haven't been on their since they banned me for telling them that Ball, Ingram and Kuzma were grooming to be trade pieces.

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[Bishop45]

Eye appreciate all the energy pushing Bam towards expanding his game, but eye! need to see it in game

[MiamiLoyal926]

The PJ Tucker loss was a bit of a stinger. Not picking up a legitimate PF in free agency was also a stinger. But with all that said, if it means that Yurtseven will finally have minutes open up for him to get burn, especially with Bam on the court, I am all for seeing what we have before going after a PF. Caleb was getting those PF minutes anyways… question is how does Spo fill in the rest of those big man rotations, and the void leaves him with little choice but to play Yurtseven, and hopefully with Bam at the 4! I could see Dedmon still getting his burn as well, which means the void in PF = more big man duos than before. ( hopeful thinking here?)

[IceColdCubano]

The PJ Tucker loss was a bit of a stinger. Not picking up a legitimate PF in free agency was also a stinger. But with all that said, if it means that Yurtseven will finally have minutes open up for him to get burn, especially with Bam on the court, I am all for seeing what we have before going after a PF. Caleb was getting those PF minutes anyways… question is how does Spo fill in the rest of those big man rotations, and the void leaves him with little choice but to play Yurtseven, and hopefully with Bam at the 4! I could see Dedmon still getting his burn as well, which means the void in PF = more big man duos than before. ( hopeful thinking here?)

I believe that's where they are headed based on what I keep hearing and reading from Spo in his quotes. Its possible that Caleb could be be seeing 10-15 minutes at PF only during a fast lineup run with the other minutes coming at the wings during the bench mob, blended in. Jimmy could see another 5-10 there as well with a three ball shooting lineup, and Bam sliding into the rest of those minutes with Yurt getting some burn at the 5 next to him. Missing a PF could open us up to interesting lineup blends.

[AirP.]

Today's Lowe Post podcast they barely talked about the over/under on Miami at 48.5, Zach took a slight over.

[twix2500]

The PJ Tucker loss was a bit of a stinger. Not picking up a legitimate PF in free agency was also a stinger. But with all that said, if it means that Yurtseven will finally have minutes open up for him to get burn, especially with Bam on the court, I am all for seeing what we have before going after a PF. Caleb was getting those PF minutes anyways… question is how does Spo fill in the rest of those big man rotations, and the void leaves him with little choice but to play Yurtseven, and hopefully with Bam at the 4! I could see Dedmon still getting his burn as well, which means the void in PF = more big man duos than before. ( hopeful thinking here?)

I believe that's where they are headed based on what I keep hearing and reading from Spo in his quotes. Its possible that Caleb could be be seeing 10-15 minutes at PF only during a fast lineup run with the other minutes coming at the wings during the bench mob, blended in. Jimmy could see another 5-10 there as well with a three ball shooting lineup, and Bam sliding into the rest of those minutes with Yurt getting some burn at the 5 next to him. Missing a PF could open us up to interesting lineup blends.

Any word on how Days and Highsmith looked. I suspect the Heat will pick a veteran PF when preseason cuts happen

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