LAL/NOP/IND

[HornetJail]

As a precursor, the Pelicans agree to defer the (either 2024 or 2025) 1st from the Lakers to a guaranteed 2025 1st, freeing up the Lakers worse of LAL/NOP 2023 1st to be traded outright.

LAL trades Russell Westbrook, Kendrick Nunn, worse of LAL/NOP 2023 1st, 2024 1st swap (with better of MIL/NOP), 2026 1st swap (to Indy, top 10 protected)
LAL receives Jonas Valanciunas, Buddy Hield, Devonte' Graham

NOP trades Jonas Valanciunas, Devonte' Graham, better of MIL/NOP 2024 1st
NOP receives Myles Turner

Indy trades Myles Turner, Buddy Hield
Indy receives Russell Westbrook, Kendrick Nunn, worse of LAL/NOP 2023 1st, best of LAL/MIL/NOP 2024 1st, 2026 rights to swap 1sts with LAL

Lakers get a different look without touching picks in their very distant future. Val as a post scorer/rebounder, Hield as a shooter who would play very well off LeBron, and Graham a passer and shooter on their second unit. Beverley/Hield/LeBron/Davis/Valanciunas.

Pelicans get a shot blocker who can hit from outside in Turner, I believe he'd be a phenomenal fit with Zion. CJ/Ingram/Herb/Zion/Turner.

Pacers get picks for vets. Enough said.

[Mavrelous]

I posted similar deal, given Turner good fit in NOP and NOP holding LAL picks, I think this is good framework, but this one I have NOP owing value and IND owed more value.
Scoot McGroot mentioned that IND prefers pick further than 23, so I'd make NOP guarantee 24 1st from LAL, send it to IND and LAL send 26 1st unprotected to IND.

LAL trades Russell Westbrook, Kendrick Nunn, 2026 1st unprotected
LAL receives Jonas Valanciunas, Buddy Hield, Devonte' Graham

NOP trades Jonas Valanciunas, Devonte' Graham, 2024 LAL 1st
NOP receives Myles Turner

Indy trades Myles Turner, Buddy Hield
Indy receives Russell Westbrook, Kendrick Nunn, LAL 24 + 26 1sts

LAL are paying unprotected 1st for 3 overpaid players, but they set the table for themselves, I think it's the best deal for them.

[Wizop]

Pacers have more players 6'6" and under than they need. Nunn adds no value even with Hield gone. is there a true SF in LA or NO that could go to Indy?

[HornetJail]

I posted similar deal, given Turner good fit in NOP and NOP holding LAL picks, I think this is good framework, but this one I have NOP owing value and IND owed more value.
Scoot McGroot mentioned that IND prefers pick further than 23, so I'd make NOP guarantee 24 1st from LAL, send it to IND and LAL send 26 1st unprotected to IND.

LAL trades Russell Westbrook, Kendrick Nunn, 2026 1st unprotected
LAL receives Jonas Valanciunas, Buddy Hield, Devonte' Graham

NOP trades Jonas Valanciunas, Devonte' Graham, 2024 LAL 1st
NOP receives Myles Turner

Indy trades Myles Turner, Buddy Hield
Indy receives Russell Westbrook, Kendrick Nunn, LAL 24 + 26 1sts

LAL are paying unprotected 1st for 3 overpaid players, but they set the table for themselves, I think it's the best deal for them.

I missed that! great minds think alike lol

Pacers have more players 6'6" and under than they need. Nunn adds no value even with Hield gone. is there a true SF in LA or NO that could go to Indy?

he's just there to make salaries line up,the value here is the 2 1sts and one high variance swap 4 years from now

[MKWB]

I just don't see Pels doing any deals to help LAL in any way, until all picks/swaps are conveyed.
This would lessen the chance of Lakers lotto for the 2023 swap and the 2024/25 LAL pick, for Pelicans. Not worth it. Let them flounder in the Westbrook trade drama, hope for it falling apart and another LAL lotto pick(s).

I do like the idea of Pels stealing Turner away from LAL as an option. Or facilitating a deal to get Turner to a different team than the Lakers.

[MKWB]

How bout dis?:

Pels get: Turner
Nets get: Jonas Val
Pacers get: Joe Harris + Hayes/Kira + NOP 1st

[Wizop]

How bout dis?:

Pels get: Turner
Nets get: Jonas Val
Pacers get: Joe Harris + Hayes/Kira + NOP 1st

you haven't given Indy anyone at their position of need which is SF. we have plenty of centers even without Turner and plenty of guards.

[JRoy]

How bout dis?:

Pels get: Turner
Nets get: Jonas Val
Pacers get: Joe Harris + Hayes/Kira + NOP 1st

Why would IND do that?

[patman66]

How bout dis?:

Pels get: Turner
Nets get: Jonas Val
Pacers get: Joe Harris + Hayes/Kira + NOP 1st

you haven't given Indy anyone at their position of need which is SF. we have plenty of centers even without Turner and plenty of guards.

Why does it matter if a SF comes back in a trade? the pacers are not looking to win games. I also see Mathurian as a SF, so I dont see a real big need there.

I think Val should be routed back to the raptors

[basketballwacko2]

How bout dis?:

Pels get: Turner
Nets get: Jonas Val
Pacers get: Joe Harris + Hayes/Kira + NOP 1st

you haven't given Indy anyone at their position of need which is SF. we have plenty of centers even without Turner and plenty of guards.

Why does it matter if a SF comes back in a trade? the pacers are not looking to win games. I also see Mathurian as a SF, so I dont see a real big need there.

I think Val should be routed back to the raptors

If there are not SF's acquire the starter at SF will be Duarte, Ben Mathurian is a guard. He's about 6'4.5" in bare feet, so he's the SG and Duarte the SF with Nesmith as the back up to both. If Buddy is still on the team he's probably starting the season as the Starting SG.

Joe Harris is 6'6'' but listed as a SF he's a very good shooter but I like him better at SG.

[Scoot McGroot]

How bout dis?:

Pels get: Turner
Nets get: Jonas Val
Pacers get: Joe Harris + Hayes/Kira + NOP 1st

you haven't given Indy anyone at their position of need which is SF. we have plenty of centers even without Turner and plenty of guards.

Why does it matter if a SF comes back in a trade? the pacers are not looking to win games. I also see Mathurian as a SF, so I dont see a real big need there.

I think Val should be routed back to the raptors

I think just because eventually, a team probably needs a forward. Indy has 1 in Brissett. Kendall Brown is on a 2 way. If we get Joe Harris back for 2 seasons, then we have him, Buddy, Duarte, Mathurin, and Nesmith, all likely best at the 2. If Hayes comes back as a 5, Indy would have Jalen, Jackson, Goga, Taylor, Theis, and Hayes all best at the 5 spot. If Kira comes back Indy would have Hali, McConnell, Nembhard, and Kira all best at the 1. But we’d still just have Oshae and Brown as natural SF’s (and even Brissett might really be more of a 4 in skill set).

Just a simple matter of some semblance of roster balance is all. And eventually, you’d probably want to start developing those 3’s a little earlier than later.

[Wizop]

Why does it matter if a SF comes back in a trade?

If we're not trading for a player that is going to actually play, we might as well trade for Westbrook. We have no need to acquire a player that will compete with Haliburton, Duarte, Mathurin, Nesmith, Jackson, Smith, or even Nemhard for playing time.

[Smirk]

Absolutely not from the Pels.

I'd rather just have Jonas.

[patman66]

you haven't given Indy anyone at their position of need which is SF. we have plenty of centers even without Turner and plenty of guards.

Why does it matter if a SF comes back in a trade? the pacers are not looking to win games. I also see Mathurian as a SF, so I dont see a real big need there.

I think Val should be routed back to the raptors

If there are not SF's acquire the starter at SF will be Duarte, Ben Mathurian is a guard. He's about 6'4.5" in bare feet, so he's the SG and Duarte the SF with Nesmith as the back up to both. If Buddy is still on the team he's probably starting the season as the Starting SG.

Joe Harris is 6'6'' but listed as a SF he's a very good shooter but I like him better at SG.

But again who cares about this year. The pacers most likely will have a top 8 pick again next summer. IMO the focus should be on picks or on players under control and less on positions. The pacers should be more concerned at this time on getting the most talent

[Wizop]

But again who cares about this year. The pacers most likely will have a top 8 pick again next summer. IMO the focus should be on picks or on players under control and less on positions

That is why if we do trade it should be for expiring contracts. We have 3 firsts now and need 2023 roster spots.

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[MKWB]

Why does it matter if a SF comes back in a trade? the pacers are not looking to win games. I also see Mathurian as a SF, so I dont see a real big need there.

I think Val should be routed back to the raptors

If there are not SF's acquire the starter at SF will be Duarte, Ben Mathurian is a guard. He's about 6'4.5" in bare feet, so he's the SG and Duarte the SF with Nesmith as the back up to both. If Buddy is still on the team he's probably starting the season as the Starting SG.

Joe Harris is 6'6'' but listed as a SF he's a very good shooter but I like him better at SG.

But again who cares about this year. The pacers most likely will have a top 8 pick again next summer. IMO the focus should be on picks or on players under control and less on positions. The pacers should be more concerned at this time on getting the most talent

Exactly, a rebuild doesn't fill every position of need all at once. Like Pelicans, they often had misfit pieces early on, but then the next year they would draft/sign/trade for an upside player who fits that exact need. 3-pt shooter wings are a commodity, easily played together and should have high re-trade value.

Pacers fans are justly protective of Turner's perceived trade value. Now the expectation is set at 2 far future unprotected Lakers 1sts plus dumping Hield's contract. That's almost a star-level return. Anything less than that will seem like a disappointment now.

But if the Lakers do pass on a pre-deadline Turner deal - how will this play out? The world is watching.

[Scoot McGroot]

If there are not SF's acquire the starter at SF will be Duarte, Ben Mathurian is a guard. He's about 6'4.5" in bare feet, so he's the SG and Duarte the SF with Nesmith as the back up to both. If Buddy is still on the team he's probably starting the season as the Starting SG.

Joe Harris is 6'6'' but listed as a SF he's a very good shooter but I like him better at SG.

But again who cares about this year. The pacers most likely will have a top 8 pick again next summer. IMO the focus should be on picks or on players under control and less on positions. The pacers should be more concerned at this time on getting the most talent

Exactly, a rebuild doesn't fill every position of need all at once. Like Pelicans, they often had misfit pieces early on, but then the next year they would draft/sign/trade for an upside player who fits that exact need. 3-pt shooter wings are a commodity, easily played together and should have high re-trade value.

Pacers fans are justly protective of Turner's perceived trade value. Now the expectation is set at 2 far future unprotected Lakers 1sts plus dumping Hield's contract. That's almost a star-level return. Anything less than that will seem like a disappointment now.

But if the Lakers do pass on a pre-deadline Turner deal - how will this play out? The world is watching.

Is that? 2 firsts and eating Westbrooks massive contract? That doesn’t seem anywhere near the 4 1sts (counting Agbaji), Sexton/Lauri and swaps kind of offer that Mitchell got. Heck, Jerami Grant got pure cap space, 2 seconds, and an only top 4 protected first. If Indy is taking on Russ and his $47m deal as filler, 2 1sts seems pretty comparable.

[Scoot McGroot]

But again who cares about this year. The pacers most likely will have a top 8 pick again next summer. IMO the focus should be on picks or on players under control and less on positions. The pacers should be more concerned at this time on getting the most talent

Exactly, a rebuild doesn't fill every position of need all at once. Like Pelicans, they often had misfit pieces early on, but then the next year they would draft/sign/trade for an upside player who fits that exact need. 3-pt shooter wings are a commodity, easily played together and should have high re-trade value.

Pacers fans are justly protective of Turner's perceived trade value. Now the expectation is set at 2 far future unprotected Lakers 1sts plus dumping Hield's contract. That's almost a star-level return. Anything less than that will seem like a disappointment now.

But if the Lakers do pass on a pre-deadline Turner deal - how will this play out? The world is watching.

Is that? 2 firsts and eating Westbrooks massive contract? That doesn’t seem anywhere near the 4 1sts (counting Agbaji), Sexton/Lauri and swaps kind of offer that Mitchell got. Heck, Jerami Grant got pure cap space, 2 seconds, and an only top 4 protected first. If Indy is taking on Russ and his $47m deal as filler, 2 1sts seems pretty comparable.

But also, if La is continually offering 1 1st, then Indy only has to deal Turner for that equivalent to come out equal. Or, Indy could re sign Turner at years end. Or even renegotiate and extend him post trade deadline. LA isn’t the only possibility out there.

[basketballwacko2]

If there are not SF's acquire the starter at SF will be Duarte, Ben Mathurian is a guard. He's about 6'4.5" in bare feet, so he's the SG and Duarte the SF with Nesmith as the back up to both. If Buddy is still on the team he's probably starting the season as the Starting SG.

Joe Harris is 6'6'' but listed as a SF he's a very good shooter but I like him better at SG.

But again who cares about this year. The pacers most likely will have a top 8 pick again next summer. IMO the focus should be on picks or on players under control and less on positions. The pacers should be more concerned at this time on getting the most talent

Exactly, a rebuild doesn't fill every position of need all at once. Like Pelicans, they often had misfit pieces early on, but then the next year they would draft/sign/trade for an upside player who fits that exact need. 3-pt shooter wings are a commodity, easily played together and should have high re-trade value.

Pacers fans are justly protective of Turner's perceived trade value. Now the expectation is set at 2 far future unprotected Lakers 1sts plus dumping Hield's contract. That's almost a star-level return. Anything less than that will seem like a disappointment now.

But if the Lakers do pass on a pre-deadline Turner deal - how will this play out? The world is watching.

Your valuation are off. One #1 pick is to take and then buy out Westbrick, Hield is wanted by the Lakers so it's not dumping him and the Pacers have no need to dump him anyhow. So the 2nd #1 is 7 years from now and they want Turner but don't want to give the #1, so If I'm not getting 2 #1's to take and buy out Westbrick, give them Hield and Turner then I'm done no need to talk about it. If they want a 2nd in 27 and 29 I might do that but would rather not since I see the return for Turner to be thin anyhow.