Madhouse wrote:Siakam shot 3/9 or whatever and Fred nearly lost the ball several times. Based on that he will take plenty of touches away from them, you understand how stupid that sounds based on a preseason game?
with small sample sizes shots made, turnovers, etc. can be deceiving but roles/tendencies are much more indicative of what will happen in the upcoming season. barnes played largely off-ball when he was playing with the other starters and didn't create many advantages when he did have the ball.
the jazz are happy to leave conley on an island against scottie and don't help even when he gets to the paint:
scottie can't take vanderbilt off the dribble and is forced to take a turnaround fadeaway. again, the jazz don't send any help with conley only feigning a dig:
again, the result is scottie gets two buckets but the tendencies to pick up on are that scottie still hasn't shown the ability to take players off the dribble/create separation and defenses are still happy to send zero help when scottie does attack (even vs. mismatches). that does not bode well creating offense for a team, especially when there are all-nba and all star options on the roster.
there are at least 27 posters (almost a quarter of the people polled) here that think barnes will be the best player on the team by the end of the season so I just think they should temper their expectations.
I'm not sure if this is a serious post. Are we really analyzing game 1 of preseason and making conclusions?
whitehops is noticing a trend with his eye-test and it will be interesting if his ideas track thru the season - he can post things even if they go against the grain, i think the use of video and insight is a quality post all things considered.
scottie is going to be top 3 all-time when its all said and done, so im still not worried
Badonkadonk wrote:Mixed feelings after watching Scottie in game situation vs. Rico runs.
On one hand his continued development offensively is insane, if you think about what expectations were out of FSU. He's going to be a monster in transition and in the half court.
On the other hand, he seems be still be slow on reads on both ends. He'll be a beast again this year in transition, but was really hoping he could start initiating plays as much as Pascal this year. Also, I think his offense is ahead of his defense, especially in halfcourt when rotations are needed.
Can't draw conclusions after 1 game, and I think he gets there eventually, just interesting how my expectations have changed since he was drafted.
Pascal is coming off an all-nba nod. I think Scottie is going to develop normally, but he's never dominated the ball. He came off the bench at FSU and he played off Cade in high school.
He can get to his spots alright, but it's more might than guile or skill at this point. The goal should be to ease the burden of Siakam and VanVleet, not replicate their responsibilities.
I'd think the goal is to exceed their responsibilities. We need Scottie to be Leonard-like. I want to give him the ball, get out of the way, and have him manufacture a bucket. He did it against Vandy and Conley in the clips above. If you choose to send help, I fully expect Scottie to be able to take advantage and find the open man.
If we're going for a Chip, we need superstar level Scottie.
That's the goal.
I'm not expecting that this year. Maybe not ever. There's alot of optimism about this team, and it's solely based on Scottie ascending to those heights (IMO). I have no issue discussing that on a message board about Raps basketball. That should be the standard we analyze him against, the goal for him based on his talent and organizational need, so I don't understand downplaying the goal.
You can still enjoy Scottie if he doesn't become a star player. It'll just mean we need to shake up the team to truly contend.
whitehops wrote:with small sample sizes shots made, turnovers, etc. can be deceiving but roles/tendencies are much more indicative of what will happen in the upcoming season. barnes played largely off-ball when he was playing with the other starters and didn't create many advantages when he did have the ball.
the jazz are happy to leave conley on an island against scottie and don't help even when he gets to the paint:
scottie can't take vanderbilt off the dribble and is forced to take a turnaround fadeaway. again, the jazz don't send any help with conley only feigning a dig:
again, the result is scottie gets two buckets but the tendencies to pick up on are that scottie still hasn't shown the ability to take players off the dribble/create separation and defenses are still happy to send zero help when scottie does attack (even vs. mismatches). that does not bode well creating offense for a team, especially when there are all-nba and all star options on the roster.
there are at least 27 posters (almost a quarter of the people polled) here that think barnes will be the best player on the team by the end of the season so I just think they should temper their expectations.
I'm not sure if this is a serious post. Are we really analyzing game 1 of preseason and making conclusions?
whitehops is noticing a trend with his eye-test and it will be interesting if his ideas track thru the season - he can post things even if they go against the grain, i think the use of video and insight is a quality post all things considered.
scottie is going to be top 3 all-time when its all said and done, so im still not worried
The only problem here is that it is again, pre-season. It is a time when players and coaches are notorious for trying different things (things they may not try when the games actually count).
Also, Barnes' game is never going to be to take players off the dribble anyway, unless he's facing bigger players.
The biggest thing to remember here is that the Raptors are looking to win and get further into the playoffs. They already have a very good team, so Barnes will not be giving any big responsibilities till later in the season like we saw last year. He will be brought on slowly. Where the game may change a bit is using Barnes in mismatches more and letting him create that way while using FVV offball. No one is taking touches away from Siakam. He's severely underrated in the league.
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Tha Cynic wrote:I'm not sure if this is a serious post. Are we really analyzing game 1 of preseason and making conclusions?
whitehops is noticing a trend with his eye-test and it will be interesting if his ideas track thru the season - he can post things even if they go against the grain, i think the use of video and insight is a quality post all things considered.
scottie is going to be top 3 all-time when its all said and done, so im still not worried
obviously with more tape this season it gives a bigger sample size, but noticing what a player doesn't do can be as telling as what they do do.
and i don't think it's blasphemous to predict barnes won't have a big on-ball role this season. siakam went from averaging 7 PPG in his second year to averaging 23 PPG and being an all star in year 4. sometimes it takes a few years for a player's skill level to catch up with their bball IQ.
Tha Cynic wrote:I'm not sure if this is a serious post. Are we really analyzing game 1 of preseason and making conclusions?
whitehops is noticing a trend with his eye-test and it will be interesting if his ideas track thru the season - he can post things even if they go against the grain, i think the use of video and insight is a quality post all things considered.
scottie is going to be top 3 all-time when its all said and done, so im still not worried
obviously with more tape this season it gives a bigger sample size, but noticing what a player doesn't do can be as telling as what they do do.
and i don't think it's blasphemous to predict barnes won't have a big on-ball role this season. siakam went from averaging 7 PPG in his second year to averaging 23 PPG and being an all star in year 4. sometimes it takes a few years for a player's skill level to catch up with their bball IQ.
It depends on what your idea of bigger on ball role is. If it's about setting up more plays and having FVV play off-ball, I do think we will see him in a bigger role. If it's about taking shots away from Siakam, that's not going to happen. I expect Siakam and Barnes to be more of the primary ball handlers as the season goes on. Barnes' biggest strength though is still in the post where he can definitely initiate offense.
He's better more in that Jokic role than a natural PG role, and he can definitely initiate offense for others but he just will not be doing it at the expense of touches for Siakam who's clearly one of the top players in the league already.
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Tha Cynic wrote:I'm not sure if this is a serious post. Are we really analyzing game 1 of preseason and making conclusions?
whitehops is noticing a trend with his eye-test and it will be interesting if his ideas track thru the season - he can post things even if they go against the grain, i think the use of video and insight is a quality post all things considered.
scottie is going to be top 3 all-time when its all said and done, so im still not worried
obviously with more tape this season it gives a bigger sample size, but noticing what a player doesn't do can be as telling as what they do do.
and i don't think it's blasphemous to predict barnes won't have a big on-ball role this season. siakam went from averaging 7 PPG in his second year to averaging 23 PPG and being an all star in year 4. sometimes it takes a few years for a player's skill level to catch up with their bball IQ.
No one is disagreeing with that part. People are disagreeing with your notion that teams are happy having guys like Conley and Maxey guard Scottie without help. That is just not true. That’s what people think is blasphemous lol.
Madhouse wrote:Siakam shot 3/9 or whatever and Fred nearly lost the ball several times. Based on that he will take plenty of touches away from them, you understand how stupid that sounds based on a preseason game?
with small sample sizes shots made, turnovers, etc. can be deceiving but roles/tendencies are much more indicative of what will happen in the upcoming season. barnes played largely off-ball when he was playing with the other starters and didn't create many advantages when he did have the ball.
the jazz are happy to leave conley on an island against scottie and don't help even when he gets to the paint:
scottie can't take vanderbilt off the dribble and is forced to take a turnaround fadeaway. again, the jazz don't send any help with conley only feigning a dig:
again, the result is scottie gets two buckets but the tendencies to pick up on are that scottie still hasn't shown the ability to take players off the dribble/create separation and defenses are still happy to send zero help when scottie does attack (even vs. mismatches). that does not bode well creating offense for a team, especially when there are all-nba and all star options on the roster.
there are at least 27 posters (almost a quarter of the people polled) here that think barnes will be the best player on the team by the end of the season so I just think they should temper their expectations.
A couple of things.
1. I don't think Barnes will ever have the burst Jalen Green or Kuminga has in which they blow by you with an explosive first step, on the other hand I don't think he really needs to. Despite non having the fastest first step or the cleanest handles, he was pretty efficient for a rookie on a team that doesn't rank up many assists. Barnes is Barnes because if he's anywhere close to the basket, good chance it's going in.
2. Barnes can 100% create for himself, on his 2 point attempts over half of them were non assisted (he was assisted on .429% of his 2 point shots). It's his 3 point attempts and long 2s that are the issue.
3. Barnes scoring game is odd but effective (yes he doesn't have the best handles atm) if he gets anywhere between the basket and the FT line, he's a very good shooter (ignore the blown dunk and layup lol). It's from the FT line out in where he struggles. Him hitting that turn around jumper from how close he is to the basket isn't all that surprising.
4. Siakam is going to be the better player next year, but Barnes should overtake him in a year or 2.
5. Barnes had a very Barnesy game, filling up the stat sheet, going 3/5, although yes, he had his share of turn overs. He was the best starter despite the missed Free Throws.
6. Barnes still has his share of flaws he needs to work on, as do the other top rookies from last year. And like them he possesses skills that they don't. In other words, there's only 1 Barnes, just like there's only 1 Cade, 1 Green or 1 Mobley. It's what makes those 4 players have superstar ceilings. As to who reaches the ceilings is another topic.
Badonkadonk wrote:Mixed feelings after watching Scottie in game situation vs. Rico runs.
On one hand his continued development offensively is insane, if you think about what expectations were out of FSU. He's going to be a monster in transition and in the half court.
On the other hand, he seems be still be slow on reads on both ends. He'll be a beast again this year in transition, but was really hoping he could start initiating plays as much as Pascal this year. Also, I think his offense is ahead of his defense, especially in halfcourt when rotations are needed.
Can't draw conclusions after 1 game, and I think he gets there eventually, just interesting how my expectations have changed since he was drafted.
Pascal is coming off an all-nba nod. I think Scottie is going to develop normally, but he's never dominated the ball. He came off the bench at FSU and he played off Cade in high school.
He can get to his spots alright, but it's more might than guile or skill at this point. The goal should be to ease the burden of Siakam and VanVleet, not replicate their responsibilities.
I'd think the goal is to exceed their responsibilities. We need Scottie to be Leonard-like. I want to give him the ball, get out of the way, and have him manufacture a bucket. He did it against Vandy and Conley in the clips above. If you choose to send help, I fully expect Scottie to be able to take advantage and find the open man.
If we're going for a Chip, we need superstar level Scottie.
That's the goal.
I'm not expecting that this year. Maybe not ever. There's alot of optimism about this team, and it's solely based on Scottie ascending to those heights (IMO). I have no issue discussing that on a message board about Raps basketball. That should be the standard we analyze him against, the goal for him based on his talent and organizational need, so I don't understand downplaying the goal.
You can still enjoy Scottie if he doesn't become a star player. It'll just mean we need to shake up the team to truly contend.
Tha Cynic wrote:I'm not sure if this is a serious post. Are we really analyzing game 1 of preseason and making conclusions?
whitehops is noticing a trend with his eye-test and it will be interesting if his ideas track thru the season - he can post things even if they go against the grain, i think the use of video and insight is a quality post all things considered.
scottie is going to be top 3 all-time when its all said and done, so im still not worried
obviously with more tape this season it gives a bigger sample size, but noticing what a player doesn't do can be as telling as what they do do.
and i don't think it's blasphemous to predict barnes won't have a big on-ball role this season. siakam went from averaging 7 PPG in his second year to averaging 23 PPG and being an all star in year 4. sometimes it takes a few years for a player's skill level to catch up with their bball IQ.
So lets start with, im going to use your other posts too, to be clear.
This is preseason, so with respect to the clips.
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He drove baseline and got to the low block, thats a win. He Saw Conley cracking down and some awful Raptors spacing. GTJ/FVV on top of eachother making Pascal cutting into Conley/Olynyk. he showed middle and took a fadeaway (I agree not a great shot, but in preseason show you have it).
Now you want to talk his development on that play??
Last yr on ISOs, on the right side, he drives left half the time, takes a jumper 1/4 of the time, and went right on the other 1/4. Or to make it abit more succinct, he drove right off a right ISO on 14 of his 1004 total HC possessions. He took those 2 shots you mentioned.
You know how many fadeaways he took >= than 10 ft? 22 FGAs. He took 932 total FGAs last yr.
Beyond that, on that play when Scottie gathered, FOUR guys were in the paint, and still got the bucket.
The thing is, you see him taking this rather innocuous shot, we see that as development. Even on the Conley one, there were 2 guys at the rim (Olynyk/Lauri), where is he going to dribble to if he beat his man anyways?? he conceded it and backed him down instead.
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Last yr, Scottie passes that out and resets, this yr hes taking it right to him. You didnt talk about him blowing by NAW (who switched the PnR) for the missed dunk.
To your larger point, "that scottie still hasn't shown the ability to take players off the dribble/create separation and defenses are still happy to send zero help when scottie does attack (even vs. mismatches)."
So to start with, Scottie got the defense to commit on more ISO possessions 60th in the L, than guys like Jokic.
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Even among PostUps, hes 21st.
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So that is just not true, teams are not sending zero help. So lets move on to the bigger issue.
I agree thats he not a dribble separation guy, hes more a Z-Bo right now, hes a bully. The thing is when he/we create separation, its a wrap, whether its off PnR where he was in the 93rd percentile in scoring (and was great in it last night), or just down low on mismatches. Thats why his potential is scary because he still has so much room for improvement. His shot is a work in progress (and his weakest link), his handle could be better, yet hes still scoring inside efficiently for a team with little gravity outside FVV/GTJ.
He was in the 85th percentile of ISOs/per 75 possessions. He was in the 76th percentile in unassisted FGAs at the rim per 75 possessions. 82nd percentile in total Post Frequency (75th percentile in paint touches per 75poss). This guy isnt just a finisher, hes creating alot of it, again carrying pretty good efficiency.
Again, this is a guy who was in the 37th percentile in transition PPP, just adding that and his efficiency/#s likely balloon because of the volume.
You also said, "i don't think it's blasphemous to predict barnes won't have a big on-ball role this season" which to be fair is meaningless because you talked about a jump in FGA. FGA is not indicative of being on ball.
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He already got the ball alot, and took alot of USG (true USG because he is a facilitator, no cares about just shooting), and had alot of touches/ball in his hands. I dont see how you think hes not going to have "a big role on ball", when he already has. Unless your argument is hes going to take a step back which is contrary to every report we have read all offseason.
I think its fair to be critical of his possessions, and his growth in terms of his game, but hes doing that and showing you last night.
To me the better argument would have been on the ugly corner 3, and his growth there. I thought he made a great cut off a good entry pass to Birch, which resulted in an easy bucket. I will say I appreciate the effort though and discourse I just disagree.
ATLTimekeeper wrote: Pascal is coming off an all-nba nod. I think Scottie is going to develop normally, but he's never dominated the ball. He came off the bench at FSU and he played off Cade in high school.
He can get to his spots alright, but it's more might than guile or skill at this point. The goal should be to ease the burden of Siakam and VanVleet, not replicate their responsibilities.
I'd think the goal is to exceed their responsibilities. We need Scottie to be Leonard-like. I want to give him the ball, get out of the way, and have him manufacture a bucket. He did it against Vandy and Conley in the clips above. If you choose to send help, I fully expect Scottie to be able to take advantage and find the open man.
If we're going for a Chip, we need superstar level Scottie.
That's the goal.
I'm not expecting that this year. Maybe not ever. There's alot of optimism about this team, and it's solely based on Scottie ascending to those heights (IMO). I have no issue discussing that on a message board about Raps basketball. That should be the standard we analyze him against, the goal for him based on his talent and organizational need, so I don't understand downplaying the goal.
You can still enjoy Scottie if he doesn't become a star player. It'll just mean we need to shake up the team to truly contend.
We're talking about this year, though, so...
Yeah that's a pertinent point, because roster construction implies that more primary ballhandling needs to come from other sources. We have a traditional & great option (Fred), a non-traditional & great option (Siakam) and then riskier options, of which Scottie is our most hopeful one. Flynn looks promising (and seems to be playing with more physicality so far) but is useless without a reliable and confident shot given his size. Banton looks promising at times but is even more lost in the halfcourt than Scottie in terms of initiating (transition beast tho). Scottie is the one we hope brings it all together.
Anyways we'll see, it's early. I like that he can bully-ball his way into spots, was just hoping to see improvement in terms of directing traffic.
vini_vidi_vici wrote:You also said, "i don't think it's blasphemous to predict barnes won't have a big on-ball role this season" which to be fair is meaningless because you talked about a jump in FGA. FGA is not indicative of being on ball.
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He already got the ball alot, and took alot of USG (true USG because he is a facilitator, no cares about just shooting), and had alot of touches/ball in his hands. I dont see how you think hes not going to have "a big role on ball", when he already has. Unless your argument is hes going to take a step back which is contrary to every report we have read all offseason.
I think its fair to be critical of his possessions, and his growth in terms of his game, but hes doing that and showing you last night.
To me the better argument would have been on the ugly corner 3, and his growth there. I thought he made a great cut off a good entry pass to Birch, which resulted in an easy bucket. I will say I appreciate the effort though and discourse I just disagree.
a lot to unpack there but i'll focus more on usage. i don't remember mentioning field goal attempts, and i'm aware that usage % is a terrible stat pretty much period at this point. i think it's worth mentioning that true usage % doesn't factor in any ball handling stats, it just incorporates "assist chances" into the equation.
in terms of average seconds per touch and dribbles per touch, scottie was way behind siakam and FVV, behind flynn and banton and pretty much on par with GTJ. one of the best ways to create advantages for the offense is to drive and kick. scottie was well behind siakam, FVV and OG in drives and was basically tied with GTJ. and on his few drives scottie didn't kick - his pass% on drives was 26.1%, which is much more similar to GTJ and thad near the bottom of the roster (they were around 24%) than the guards (FVV and flynn above 50%) or the other wings (siakam and OG in the ~40% range).
and it's ironic that you bring up the 3 pointer of scottie's, because that was created by siakam. he had sexton switched onto him at the top of the key and when he started to back him down the jazz sent a hard double. that's the type of respect teams don't give barnes yet and i don't think it's likely that happens this season. i think the raps would be better off THIS SEASON having siakam create most of the offene if they want FVV to spot up more and barnes can wreak havoc off-ball.
Tha Cynic wrote: I'm not sure if this is a serious post. Are we really analyzing game 1 of preseason and making conclusions?
whitehops is noticing a trend with his eye-test and it will be interesting if his ideas track thru the season - he can post things even if they go against the grain, i think the use of video and insight is a quality post all things considered.
scottie is going to be top 3 all-time when its all said and done, so im still not worried
The only problem here is that it is again, pre-season. It is a time when players and coaches are notorious for trying different things (things they may not try when the games actually count).
Also, Barnes' game is never going to be to take players off the dribble anyway, unless he's facing bigger players.
The biggest thing to remember here is that the Raptors are looking to win and get further into the playoffs. They already have a very good team, so Barnes will not be giving any big responsibilities till later in the season like we saw last year. He will be brought on slowly. Where the game may change a bit is using Barnes in mismatches more and letting him create that way while using FVV offball. No one is taking touches away from Siakam. He's severely underrated in the league.
Maybe the reason teams don't send help is precisely because they expect Barnes to be able to find open shooters or cutters. Sending help would be playing right into Barnes' hands because he's always a pass-first kind of guy. The fact that he's able to score 1v1 is a good sign. I'd be much more concerned if they don't send help, and Barnes cannot score. That's what happened with Derozan in the past.
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vini_vidi_vici wrote:You also said, "i don't think it's blasphemous to predict barnes won't have a big on-ball role this season" which to be fair is meaningless because you talked about a jump in FGA. FGA is not indicative of being on ball.
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He already got the ball alot, and took alot of USG (true USG because he is a facilitator, no cares about just shooting), and had alot of touches/ball in his hands. I dont see how you think hes not going to have "a big role on ball", when he already has. Unless your argument is hes going to take a step back which is contrary to every report we have read all offseason.
I think its fair to be critical of his possessions, and his growth in terms of his game, but hes doing that and showing you last night.
To me the better argument would have been on the ugly corner 3, and his growth there. I thought he made a great cut off a good entry pass to Birch, which resulted in an easy bucket. I will say I appreciate the effort though and discourse I just disagree.
a lot to unpack there but i'll focus more on usage. i don't remember mentioning field goal attempts, and i'm aware that usage % is a terrible stat pretty much period at this point. i think it's worth mentioning that true usage % doesn't factor in any ball handling stats, it just incorporates "assist chances" into the equation.
in terms of average seconds per touch and dribbles per touch, scottie was way behind siakam and FVV, behind flynn and banton and pretty much on par with GTJ. one of the best ways to create advantages for the offense is to drive and kick. scottie was well behind siakam, FVV and OG in drives and was basically tied with GTJ. and on his few drives scottie didn't kick - his pass% on drives was 26.1%, which is much more similar to GTJ and thad near the bottom of the roster (they were around 24%) than the guards (FVV and flynn above 50%) or the other wings (siakam and OG in the ~40% range).
and it's ironic that you bring up the 3 pointer of scottie's, because that was created by siakam. he had sexton switched onto him at the top of the key and when he started to back him down the jazz sent a hard double. that's the type of respect teams don't give barnes yet and i don't think it's likely that happens this season. i think the raps would be better off THIS SEASON having siakam create most of the offene if they want FVV to spot up more and barnes can wreak havoc off-ball.
Edit: Apologies I typed FGA but I meant PPG. You said, " i don't think it's blasphemous to predict barnes won't have a big on-ball role this season. siakam went from averaging 7 PPG in his second year to averaging 23 PPG and being an all star in year 4".
Why would dribbles/seconds per touch matter? Were arguing the touches itself. You said a big role on ball. Scottie doesnt waste time/movement, he attacks and scores and/or moves the ball, thats a function of the touch itself.
He doesnt drive much, because he rarely had PnR opportunities.
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Even most of ISOs are not traditional face ups drives, he dribbles, seals position and backs down further.
I agree, his vision on drives isnt great, but yet, hes a very good facilitator...
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Why?
21.5% of his ASTs come out of the Post alone. Hes not a traditional drive and kick guy, that isnt an indictment on him.
Youre making my point, the fact Scottie has 0 gravity is such a boon on the fact hes able to score efficiently inside, I said this already.
Siakam already carries a heavy USG. Why wouldnt you want more of this??
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If SpotUps could hit shots, again another issue with our dearth of shooting I mentioned, this is where teams are scared. Scottie can score when the D commits, Top of the Key, his only struggle is going baseline. He can pass to SpotUps/Rollmen/Cutters. That was just yr 1.
Thats not even accounting for you acknowledging no one is playing him on the perimeter and while Scottie does have off ball value its mainly as an OREB threat (and sometimes a Roller), who cares about that? Hes not coming off curls and shooting, hes not using DHOs other than as the screener, hes a decent cutter (38th percentile in PPP tho) but most of that is off PnR screening anyway and something I probably wouldnt advocate for more of.
When/if Scottie has the ball it means our 3 best shooters are in their spacing roles aswell.
If hes gonna reach his potential he needs to find that dog in him and attack more. It was a problem all season and looked like one in game 1 of the preseason too.
More of the above is SUPER necessary. And hes capable. Just might be too unselfish right now. Multiple times in year one Nurse has implored him, begged him even, to be more agressive with his shot. Which is good coaching. He needs that. I think we can expect more begging and imploring from nurse this year too.
HumbleRen wrote: Raptors republic have been doing daily vids talking about the players since they have media access for the training camps.
His shot has been off basically the entire week they’ve been there. It’s no cause for alarm, this is something he’s going to have to work on for his entire career.
He is tweaking his form, probably just going through an adjustment period.
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Yep. If he can be league average on open 3's it's going to be real spooky for these other teams.
...and we are expecting that in year two?
Its a process. Like you said above. His shot not looking good yet is fine.
Yeeesh.....vini_vidi_vici just hitting em upside the head with some cold hard facts lol
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