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Re: Game Thread: Wembanyama vs Scoot on ESPN 2/ESPN App 

Post#141 » by peZt » Wed Oct 5, 2022 2:06 pm

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aminiaturebuddha wrote:It's surprising, but as the "professional" team in this matchup (as opposed to the development team), this Metro 92 team has terrible shot selection. I think their players are getting caught up in the hype.

Jet lag, different rules, unfamiliar court. They were always going to be the underdogs.

Wembanyama may not stuff the stat sheet tonight, but he's making a visible impact on both ends of the court. Hard to believe how much ground he covers on defense.


Wemby is usually single digit scorer for them in Europe, he scored 37 in thus game I believe. They werent playing real basketball here I believe, but I didnt watch the game.


That hasn't been true since like the first 10 games of his pro career. Where he was 17 years old...
You keep trying to spin a narrative based on his first few games against grown men. He's clearly evolved since then.
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Post#142 » by NYPiston » Wed Oct 5, 2022 2:11 pm

Everybody talking about Wemby and rightfully so but, good lord is Scoot a hell of a player. Small sample size and all but the hype looks real on these guys. It's going to be a fun year following them.
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Post#143 » by Bornstellar » Wed Oct 5, 2022 2:14 pm

Wemby or Scoot gonna look reeeeal good in a Spurs jersey next year
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Post#144 » by Pointgod » Wed Oct 5, 2022 2:50 pm

Has there been another 1-2 pick combination that’s this highly anticipated? I mean legit 1-2. I guess the most recent one was Zion/Morant, but not sure if Morant was as hyped as Henderson. Wembenyana is like a mix with Durant and Giannis without hyperbole. Henderson looks like he’s built like Anthony Edwards with the Rose/Morant fast twitch skill set and athleticism.

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Re: Game Thread: Wembanyama vs Scoot on ESPN 2/ESPN App 

Post#145 » by PhilBlackson » Wed Oct 5, 2022 3:06 pm

Pointgod wrote:Has there been another 1-2 pick combination that’s this highly anticipated? I mean legit 1-2. I guess the most recent one was Zion/Morant, but not sure if Morant was as hyped as Henderson. Wembenyana is like a mix with Durant and Giannis without hyperbole. Henderson looks like he’s built like Anthony Edwards with the Rose/Morant fast twitch skill set and athleticism.


Forget any hype, I'll take Wemby + Scoot as prospects over Zion + Ja anyday.

If Wemby can remain healthy, he can do far more things on the basketball court, I'd easily take him over Zion (who has the same fears, arguably more) and I also like Scoot as a prospect a lot more than Ja, given his extra size, far less injury concerns again and just overall skill/talent level.
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Re: Game Thread: Wembanyama vs Scoot on ESPN 2/ESPN App 

Post#146 » by ConSarnit » Wed Oct 5, 2022 3:34 pm

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UcanUwill wrote:
shotsquatch wrote:Jet lag, different rules, unfamiliar court. They were always going to be the underdogs.

Wembanyama may not stuff the stat sheet tonight, but he's making a visible impact on both ends of the court. Hard to believe how much ground he covers on defense.


Wemby is usually single digit scorer for them in Europe, he scored 37 in thus game I believe. They werent playing real basketball here I believe, but I didnt watch the game.


That hasn't been true since like the first 10 games of his pro career. Where he was 17 years old...
You keep trying to spin a narrative based on his first few games against grown men. He's clearly evolved since then.


You’re talking to a guy who says they weren’t playing “real basketball” yet HE DIDN’T EVEN WATCH THE GAME. You might not need to worry about this posters opinion.
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Re: Game Thread: Wembanyama vs Scoot on ESPN 2/ESPN App 

Post#147 » by UcanUwill » Wed Oct 5, 2022 3:40 pm

peZt wrote:
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shotsquatch wrote:Jet lag, different rules, unfamiliar court. They were always going to be the underdogs.

Wembanyama may not stuff the stat sheet tonight, but he's making a visible impact on both ends of the court. Hard to believe how much ground he covers on defense.


Wemby is usually single digit scorer for them in Europe, he scored 37 in thus game I believe. They werent playing real basketball here I believe, but I didnt watch the game.


That hasn't been true since like the first 10 games of his pro career. Where he was 17 years old...
You keep trying to spin a narrative based on his first few games against grown men. He's clearly evolved since then.


He did for sure, but lets not act like most of his last season was smooth, he finished stronger than he started, but it wasnt just first few games. Or maybe it was, he had plenty of DNPs because of injury and else. Long story short, he wasnt yet a consistent offensive threat, he improved and downgraded his competition, so his numbers are growing, I am not denying that.

I am glad he had a great game, they schedulled this game just because of VW and Henderson, and I was worried VW will not be much of a factor at all, which is not out of the realm of possibility. The hype for this guy is a quite out of control. Its amazing that he had this game, he wasnt nervous at all next to all these scouts, which says a lot about his character, but I still dread those shots from watching him last season, he needs to go inside far more, I dont want him to be Porzingis. I am just glad those shots hit the mark in this particular game.
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Post#148 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Wed Oct 5, 2022 3:44 pm

Has there ever been an explosive point guard this young with a mid range shot?
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Post#149 » by UcanUwill » Wed Oct 5, 2022 3:45 pm

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UcanUwill wrote:
Wemby is usually single digit scorer for them in Europe, he scored 37 in thus game I believe. They werent playing real basketball here I believe, but I didnt watch the game.


That hasn't been true since like the first 10 games of his pro career. Where he was 17 years old...
You keep trying to spin a narrative based on his first few games against grown men. He's clearly evolved since then.


You’re talking to a guy who says they weren’t playing “real basketball” yet HE DIDN’T EVEN WATCH THE GAME. You might not need to worry about this posters opinion.


Sorry man, I said I believed that, I mean everyone on Nantiere team knew this was about VW, and he ended up with 37 points, which is not common. They also lost to a G league team, which is a bit surprising. So I just figured maybe 92s weren't on their regular, they came there to showcase the guy. I fully admitted that I didnt watch the game, because I would be opened to be corrected.
I am just trying to downplay the hype a little bit, because all those 7'4 KD comparisons are total wack and unfair for the guy.
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Re: Game Thread: Wembanyama vs Scoot on ESPN 2/ESPN App 

Post#150 » by Chris Porter's Hair » Wed Oct 5, 2022 3:50 pm

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That was an incredibly entertaining game. Quick notes:
* In the pregame warmups, Scoot almost exclusively shot midrange jumpers and missed like 90% of them. And I was like, "... this is the big prospect?" And then the game started. Wow. Very versatile, and a force to be reckoned with.
* Wembanyama is incredibly agile for a guy that big. Still quite spindly, so of course the concern that he'll get broken, but he doesn't move like a typical 7'+ guy shambling around the court. That was clear very quickly.
* I don't think Wembanyama is a 60% 3 point shooter, but his shot looks really good. And seriously, if he decides to take a 3, he gets a good look.
* That being said, it wasn't clear to me he (or his team...) uses his size effectively. He gets open 3's with it. But spent very little time in the paint, and when he did, his team often didn't see him. Similarly, when he *did* have the ball near the basket, he often brought the ball down and shot from near his head, leading to contention and difficult shots. If he was playing above his head with his height and athleticism... sheesh. On the bright side, he's 18. I bet he'll figure it out with some coaching.
* His ball handling was also eye opening. He was facing up guys on the perimeter at his height. There was a bit of what I view as the Chris Webber Syndrome ("It is pretty amazing you can do that, but that doesn't mean you SHOULD do that..."). If you're the best 7'3" dribbler around, that still doesn't necessarily mean you should be trying to face up/cross up your defenders. But it was something to see.
* People keep talking about how good Wembanyama's defense was. I wouldn't necessarily overstate that. His *shot blocking* was something. He's just so long, agile, and can cover a ton of ground. I didn't think he was a *bad* defender aside from his shot blocking, but someone here compared him to Draymond, and that I didn't see.
* Scoot is explosive, and has eyes in the back of his head. Swagger for days. I'm really looking forward to getting to watch him all season.
* There was a point where Wembanyama hit a corner 3 by the Ignite bench, turned around, and chirped at the bench. The bench, understandably, cracked up, because at that point the Ignite were up by nearly 20. But that was right about when Wembanyama went on a roll, and it ended up being a really good game.
* Both guys definitely benefited from the level of competition. There are things VW did that wouldn't necessarily fly against NBA competition. Scoot took a dunk right at VW and got spiked through the floor; there are actually a bunch of NBA players who would have sent that one back.
* A fair number of basketball celebs were present. A'Ja Wilson and Chelsea Gray from the Aces. Ariza, CP, Booker, and Damian Lee from the Suns. Boogie Cousins and his adorable kid.

Scoot is the safer pick, and I'm pretty confident he'll be a high quality NBA player. But it would be really hard to pass up on the potential of Wembanyama. They are both *18 years old*. I mean... any NBA team is taking Steeve Ho You Fat over either of them, but two teams will be very excited after next year's draft.
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Post#151 » by Joker » Wed Oct 5, 2022 3:55 pm

Though Scoot is 6'2" in a league where size is (almost) everything when you're talking about elite prospects, generational talent, and all that. The only exception really is where the 6'2" player is a generational shooting or playmaking talent like a Steph Curry, Lillard or something, or John Stockton/Steve Nash/Isiah Thomas floor general. We've seen #1 picks who are smaller come along like Iverson, Irving, Wall, Faultz, Derrick Rose, etc., but that's a pretty dubious list in terms of durability and career trajectory - literally 4 of those 5 guys have been heavily sidetracked or completely derailed by injuries.

I'd rather take elite size with a little less explosiveness than undersized and ultra explosive TBH, just in terms of long term sustainability. Once those first couple of injuries happen, you're looking at a totally different player. Meanwhile someone like a Paul George can sustain a catastrophic leg injury, Kawhi can have chronic quad issues and tear an ACL, or KD can sustain achilles tears in his mid 30's and they still all look amazing because they all have 6'7"+ height, 240+lb weight, and 7'3+ wingspans to fall back on :lol:
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Re: Game Thread: Wembanyama vs Scoot on ESPN 2/ESPN App 

Post#152 » by Chris Porter's Hair » Wed Oct 5, 2022 3:59 pm

Joker wrote:Though Scoot is 6'2" in a league where size is (almost) everything when you're talking about elite prospects, generational talent, and all that. The only exception really is where the 6'2" player is a generational shooting or playmaking talent like a Steph Curry, Lillard or something, or John Stockton/Steve Nash/Isiah Thomas floor general. We've seen #1 picks who are smaller come along like Iverson, Irving, Wall, Faultz, Derrick Rose, etc., but that's a pretty dubious list in terms of durability and career trajectory.

I'd rather take elite size with a little less explosiveness than undersized and ultra explosive TBH, just in terms of long term sustainability. Once those first couple of injuries happen, you're looking at a totally different player. Meanwhile someone like KD can sustain achilles tears in his mid 30's and still looks like an MVP :lol:

They are both 18 years old. Scoot might well end up over 6'2". For that matter, Victor might end up even taller. Gulp.
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Post#153 » by Madhouse » Wed Oct 5, 2022 4:00 pm

Wembanyama is right. He is indeed unlike anyone we have ever seen.

What a player.
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Post#154 » by yoyoboy » Wed Oct 5, 2022 4:08 pm

Scoot definitely looks bigger than 6’2 to me.
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Post#155 » by lambchop » Wed Oct 5, 2022 4:09 pm

Man I wish there were a way to get Ho You Fat to the NBA. I never buy player jerseys, but I'm considering buying his.

So many people who attain the heights of power in this culture—celebrities, for instance—have to make a show of false humility and modesty, as if they got as far as they did by accident and not by ego or ambition.
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Post#156 » by PlatinumState » Wed Oct 5, 2022 4:10 pm

Silver's gonna have to do something about teams tanking this season. Could get unwatchable
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Re: Game Thread: Wembanyama vs Scoot on ESPN 2/ESPN App 

Post#157 » by Joker » Wed Oct 5, 2022 4:11 pm

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Joker wrote:Though Scoot is 6'2" in a league where size is (almost) everything when you're talking about elite prospects, generational talent, and all that. The only exception really is where the 6'2" player is a generational shooting or playmaking talent like a Steph Curry, Lillard or something, or John Stockton/Steve Nash/Isiah Thomas floor general. We've seen #1 picks who are smaller come along like Iverson, Irving, Wall, Faultz, Derrick Rose, etc., but that's a pretty dubious list in terms of durability and career trajectory.

I'd rather take elite size with a little less explosiveness than undersized and ultra explosive TBH, just in terms of long term sustainability. Once those first couple of injuries happen, you're looking at a totally different player. Meanwhile someone like KD can sustain achilles tears in his mid 30's and still looks like an MVP :lol:

They are both 18 years old. Scoot might well end up over 6'2". For that matter, Victor might end up even taller. Gulp.


yeah, as concerned as I'd be with drafting an undersized ultra explosive guy in terms of longterm sustainability, I'd also be concerned about drafting a guy over 7'2". Ideal size in the NBA always seems to go back to that 6'6"-7'0" foot range for elite prospects. I mean if you look at the top 50 players of all time, most of them are in that range.
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Post#158 » by UcanUwill » Wed Oct 5, 2022 4:11 pm

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That was an incredibly entertaining game. Quick notes:
* In the pregame warmups, Scoot almost exclusively shot midrange jumpers and missed like 90% of them. And I was like, "... this is the big prospect?" And then the game started. Wow. Very versatile, and a force to be reckoned with.
* Wembanyama is incredibly agile for a guy that big. Still quite spindly, so of course the concern that he'll get broken, but he doesn't move like a typical 7'+ guy shambling around the court. That was clear very quickly.
* I don't think Wembanyama is a 60% 3 point shooter, but his shot looks really good. And seriously, if he decides to take a 3, he gets a good look.
* That being said, it wasn't clear to me he (or his team...) uses his size effectively. He gets open 3's with it. But spent very little time in the paint, and when he did, his team often didn't see him. Similarly, when he *did* have the ball near the basket, he often brought the ball down and shot from near his head, leading to contention and difficult shots. If he was playing above his head with his height and athleticism... sheesh. On the bright side, he's 18. I bet he'll figure it out with some coaching.
* His ball handling was also eye opening. He was facing up guys on the perimeter at his height. There was a bit of what I view as the Chris Webber Syndrome ("It is pretty amazing you can do that, but that doesn't mean you SHOULD do that..."). If you're the best 7'3" dribbler around, that still doesn't necessarily mean you should be trying to face up/cross up your defenders. But it was something to see.
* People keep talking about how good Wembanyama's defense was. I wouldn't necessarily overstate that. His *shot blocking* was something. He's just so long, agile, and can cover a ton of ground. I didn't think he was a *bad* defender aside from his shot blocking, but someone here compared him to Draymond, and that I didn't see.
* Scoot is explosive, and has eyes in the back of his head. Swagger for days. I'm really looking forward to getting to watch him all season.
* There was a point where Wembanyama hit a corner 3 by the Ignite bench, turned around, and chirped at the bench. The bench, understandably, cracked up, because at that point the Ignite were up by nearly 20. But that was right about when Wembanyama went on a roll, and it ended up being a really good game.
* Both guys definitely benefited from the level of competition. There are things VW did that wouldn't necessarily fly against NBA competition. Scoot took a dunk right at VW and got spiked through the floor; there are actually a bunch of NBA players who would have sent that one back.
* A fair number of basketball celebs were present. A'Ja Wilson and Chelsea Gray from the Aces. Ariza, CP, Booker, and Damian Lee from the Suns. Boogie Cousins and his adorable kid.

Scoot is the safer pick, and I'm pretty confident he'll be a high quality NBA player. But it would be really hard to pass up on the potential of Wembanyama. They are both *18 years old*. I mean... any NBA team is taking Steeve Ho You Fat over either of them, but two teams will be very excited after next year's draft.


*Sadly, injuries already follow him, but lets hope its not a trend. Nothing serious as of yet.

*VW is most definitely not a good shooter right now. They keep coming at me, and ok, he keeps improving, but as of right now, I am not worried about him taking 3s if I play him. Very good form tho, and as you said, his size means hes basically open every time.

*The biggest gripe I have with VW is that he really insists to be a perimeter player, despite him being 7'5 and not a great shooter. I mean, some guys we call great shooters, are actually just a specialists who can only spot up or catch and shoot. VW obiously shows greater potential in that area, he can pull up, he can shoot of the dribble, fadeaways, step backs, hes just aint hitting it consistently at all as of yet. Last year I think was terrible for him, he was just floating around the perimeter and it took until very last Euroleague games, were he started to look for inside shots. He still the guy who shot under 30% last year and just over 30% this year so far, he is not a real threat if he shoots those shots, I mean its great he hit most of his shots today, but tomorrow he most likely aint. Kid needs to learn to look for a better shot.

*VW can be one of the greatest rim protectors all the time, but he isn't the most swichable guy for sure, not at all. He is defeinitely NOT Draymong. Despite we raving about his mobility and movement, he is still slow compared to perimeter players. I said before, but people can blew pass him, good thing he has insane length, so he can contest and block shots even when he is step behind often, also, his length intimidates some guards after they switch on him, you can run pass him, but you often cant escape his wingspan, you also can pass out, because he has very active hands. Also, worth to know that he is incredibly coordinated for a guy his size. I still think he will be dominant defender and most likely a DPOY, even tho he is not switch all type.
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Re: Game Thread: Wembanyama vs Scoot on ESPN 2/ESPN App 

Post#159 » by CraftylikeaFox » Wed Oct 5, 2022 4:21 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
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That hasn't been true since like the first 10 games of his pro career. Where he was 17 years old...
You keep trying to spin a narrative based on his first few games against grown men. He's clearly evolved since then.


You’re talking to a guy who says they weren’t playing “real basketball” yet HE DIDN’T EVEN WATCH THE GAME. You might not need to worry about this posters opinion.


Sorry man, I said I believed that, I mean everyone on Nantiere team knew this was about VW, and he ended up with 37 points, which is not common. They also lost to a G league team, which is a bit surprising. So I just figured maybe 92s weren't on their regular, they came there to showcase the guy. I fully admitted that I didnt watch the game, because I would be opened to be corrected.
I am just trying to downplay the hype a little bit, because all those 7'4 KD comparisons are total wack and unfair for the guy.


He's 7'4 and hit 7 3's. He hit them in transition, as step backs, and off the dribble. The KD comparisons are warranted because there is no other offensive comparison. There is no one in the NBA who has this height advantage and can hit shots this way.
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Re: Game Thread: Wembanyama vs Scoot on ESPN 2/ESPN App 

Post#160 » by heezyo2o » Wed Oct 5, 2022 4:26 pm

Settling for 3s and not taking advantage of his size on smaller guys reminds me of AD. Can be really frustrating to watch when AD ends up with a fadeaway on smaller guy. I don't think coaching will change that with either AD or wemby, just their style of play

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