Update Game 2! Wembanyama vs Scoot on ESPN 2/ESPN App/NBA app

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Re: Game Thread: Wembanyama vs Scoot on ESPN 2/ESPN App 

Post#161 » by Loneshot » Wed Oct 5, 2022 4:38 pm

Bornstellar wrote:Wemby or Scoot gonna look reeeeal good in a Spurs jersey next year


I'm definitely not a Spurs fan, but I do hope players of their caliber land in San Antonio or teams in general with a history of building successful teams. These players are wasted when drafted by the usual suspects at the bottom of the league.
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Re: Game Thread: Wembanyama vs Scoot on ESPN 2/ESPN App 

Post#162 » by UcanUwill » Wed Oct 5, 2022 4:39 pm

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You’re talking to a guy who says they weren’t playing “real basketball” yet HE DIDN’T EVEN WATCH THE GAME. You might not need to worry about this posters opinion.


Sorry man, I said I believed that, I mean everyone on Nantiere team knew this was about VW, and he ended up with 37 points, which is not common. They also lost to a G league team, which is a bit surprising. So I just figured maybe 92s weren't on their regular, they came there to showcase the guy. I fully admitted that I didnt watch the game, because I would be opened to be corrected.
I am just trying to downplay the hype a little bit, because all those 7'4 KD comparisons are total wack and unfair for the guy.


He's 7'4 and hit 7 3's. He hit them in transition, as step backs, and off the dribble. The KD comparisons are warranted because there is no other offensive comparison. There is no one in the NBA who has this height advantage and can hit shots this way.


I hope hes next KD, but kid wasn't known for elite scoring even in junior competitions, while Durant is one of the best scorers in the history of the game. VW is a project, one of the best projects ever, what NBA franchice be able to mold from him is fascinating, but nothing is certain KD with his current skill wise, very raw, shape. What is already certain that he can already block several shots in any game, but his scoring is still to be proven to be even average. I expect DPOY with good pick and pop skills, if you expect a guy who will cross over guysm shoot fadeaways and score 30 pppg on 62TS%, you setting up for a huge disappointment. I hope I am wrong, but thats what I see so far with him.
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Re: Game Thread: Wembanyama vs Scoot on ESPN 2/ESPN App 

Post#163 » by oldncreaky » Wed Oct 5, 2022 4:40 pm

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Was Durant not a better prospect? Or Davis?


i mean Durant didn't even go number 1


Right but both had handles and playmaking ability that Wemby just doesn't have


KD improved quite a bit after starting college, and even more after entering the NBA

The appropriate comparison for 2022 Victor is to a freshman KD who hadn't played a minute at Texas
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Re: Game Thread: Wembanyama vs Scoot on ESPN 2/ESPN App 

Post#164 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Wed Oct 5, 2022 4:40 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Has there ever been an explosive point guard this young with a mid range shot?


He was reminding me a ton of young Russell Westbrook but with an infinitely more polished jumper.
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Post#165 » by yoyoboy » Wed Oct 5, 2022 4:42 pm

The thing is Scoot is a smart player. Guys like Rose, Westbrook, and Morant didn’t see the game nearly as well at the same age. It’s such an impressive blend of intelligence and raw physical attributes at 18.
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Post#166 » by yoyoboy » Wed Oct 5, 2022 4:44 pm

Also no offense, but I really hope Scoot and Wemby end up in franchises like San Antonio or Utah rather than some of the other potential teams at the bottom. I would hate to see their talents wasted in incompetent organizations where they’re also just slotted alongside too many other highly drafted players that are equally prioritized.
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Re: Game Thread: Wembanyama vs Scoot on ESPN 2/ESPN App 

Post#167 » by Chris Porter's Hair » Wed Oct 5, 2022 4:45 pm

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Has there ever been an explosive point guard this young with a mid range shot?


He was reminding me a ton of young Russell Westbrook but with an infinitely more polished jumper.

One game and all that, but I saw much better court vision. Westbrook is/was an offensive weapon, but Scoot looked like more of a floor general.
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Re: Game Thread: Wembanyama vs Scoot on ESPN 2/ESPN App 

Post#168 » by UcanUwill » Wed Oct 5, 2022 4:46 pm

yoyoboy wrote:The thing is Scoot is a smart player. Guys like Rose, Westbrook, and Morant didn’t see the game nearly as well at the same age. It’s such an impressive blend of intelligence and raw physical attributes at 18.


I think Morant was very smart, he went second overall while being a pass first guy on paper, which is somewhat of accomplishment nowadays. He was elite playmaker in college. His scoring has developed in Memphis and it is overshadowing that the kid was smart.
Rose is also pretty smart player, Westbrook - not so much.
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Post#169 » by NYPiston » Wed Oct 5, 2022 4:47 pm

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He was reminding me a ton of young Russell Westbrook but with an infinitely more polished jumper.


I don't see the Westbrook comparison. Scoot is way more cerebral, surveys the court and looks for openings to pass or shoot. He attacks too but is a lot more selective. Westbrook was/is always attack, attack, attack.
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Re: Game Thread: Wembanyama vs Scoot on ESPN 2/ESPN App 

Post#170 » by Pachinko_ » Wed Oct 5, 2022 4:47 pm

First time seeing Scoot and just from that game the first comp that came to my mind was Antman
But then I realised he's actually a fair bit smaller. He definitely plays bigger though
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Post#171 » by yoyoboy » Wed Oct 5, 2022 4:48 pm

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yoyoboy wrote:The thing is Scoot is a smart player. Guys like Rose, Westbrook, and Morant didn’t see the game nearly as well at the same age. It’s such an impressive blend of intelligence and raw physical attributes at 18.


I think Morant was very smart, he went second overall while being a pass first guy on paper, which is somewhat of accomplishment nowadays. He was elite playmaker in college. His scoring has developed in Memphis and it is overshadowing that the kid was smart.
Rose is also pretty smart player, Westbrook - not so much.

He is, but the key word was same age. Morant came out as a sophomore. What Scoot just did at 17 in the G-League against grown men and the understanding of the game he showed already is unheard of.
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Re: Game Thread: Wembanyama vs Scoot on ESPN 2/ESPN App 

Post#172 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Wed Oct 5, 2022 4:49 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:The thing is Scoot is a smart player. Guys like Rose, Westbrook, and Morant didn’t see the game nearly as well at the same age. It’s such an impressive blend of intelligence and raw physical attributes at 18.


I think Morant was very smart, he went second overall while being a pass first guy on paper, which is somewhat of accomplishment nowadays. He was elite playmaker in college. His scoring has developed in Memphis and it is overshadowing that the kid was smart.
Rose is also pretty smart player, Westbrook - not so much.



None of these guys had the mid-range shot that Scoot has at this age, I don't think I've ever seen this quality in an explosive young PG before.

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Post#173 » by UcanUwill » Wed Oct 5, 2022 4:49 pm

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yoyoboy wrote:The thing is Scoot is a smart player. Guys like Rose, Westbrook, and Morant didn’t see the game nearly as well at the same age. It’s such an impressive blend of intelligence and raw physical attributes at 18.


I think Morant was very smart, he went second overall while being a pass first guy on paper, which is somewhat of accomplishment nowadays. He was elite playmaker in college. His scoring has developed in Memphis and it is overshadowing that the kid was smart.
Rose is also pretty smart player, Westbrook - not so much.

He is, but the key word was same age. Morant came out as a sophomore. What Scoot just did at 17 in the G-League against grown men and the understanding of the game he showed already is unheard of.


I really not familiar with Scoot, so I will not comment futher, but its nice to hear we have a prospect like that.
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Post#174 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Wed Oct 5, 2022 4:55 pm

yoyoboy wrote:Also no offense, but I really hope Scoot and Wemby end up in franchises like San Antonio or Utah rather than some of the other potential teams at the bottom. I would hate to see their talents wasted in incompetent organizations where they’re also just slotted alongside too many other highly drafted players that are equally prioritized.


This is how I feel about Mobley landing with the Cavs after they went 1/3 in the lottery the previous three years.
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Post#175 » by Nuntius » Wed Oct 5, 2022 4:55 pm

UcanUwill wrote:*The biggest gripe I have with VW is that he really insists to be a perimeter player, despite him being 7'5 and not a great shooter.


I don't think he has any other choice as long as he's playing under FIBA rules. He is a 7'4/7'5 dude that barely weights 210 lbs. Any big that weights more than 240 lbs will be able to dislodge him with ease. And as we both know, the absence of a 3-second rule from FIBA competitions means that most teams have that kind of player and that this player will usually be in the paint. Wemby can try to go inside but he will most likely get dislodged and pushed off the paint.

It is different in the NBA due to existence of the 3-second rule. Bigs won't be in the paint as often, teams can generate a lot more spacing (due to the fact that the 3-point line is further away) so it will be significantly easier for Wemby to get better looks inside at the NBA level. Plus, you know, he will hopefully bulk up when he's older :P
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Post#176 » by yoyoboy » Wed Oct 5, 2022 4:59 pm

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yoyoboy wrote:Also no offense, but I really hope Scoot and Wemby end up in franchises like San Antonio or Utah rather than some of the other potential teams at the bottom. I would hate to see their talents wasted in incompetent organizations where they’re also just slotted alongside too many other highly drafted players that are equally prioritized.


This is how I feel about Mobley landing with the Cavs after they went 1/3 in the lottery the previous three years.

You were probably expecting that to be an own, but I actually agree with that. As an objective fan I wouldn’t have wanted Mobley going to the Cavs either considering the history. I can at least admit it though. Fortunately Altman seems to be turning things around.
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Re: Game Thread: Wembanyama vs Scoot on ESPN 2/ESPN App 

Post#177 » by cupcakesnake » Wed Oct 5, 2022 4:59 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:Also no offense, but I really hope Scoot and Wemby end up in franchises like San Antonio or Utah rather than some of the other potential teams at the bottom. I would hate to see their talents wasted in incompetent organizations where they’re also just slotted alongside too many other highly drafted players that are equally prioritized.


This is how I feel about Mobley landing with the Cavs after they went 1/3 in the lottery the previous three years.


Yeah c'mon yoyoboy, Cavs have had their fair history of bottoming out long terms and getting consistent lottery luck. A lot of #1 picks, similar to the Wolves. I'd hardly call OKC an incompetent organization. Whoever gets Wemby or Scoot, I wish you the best.
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Re: Game Thread: Wembanyama vs Scoot on ESPN 2/ESPN App 

Post#178 » by Shock Defeat » Wed Oct 5, 2022 5:00 pm

yoyoboy wrote:Also no offense, but I really hope Scoot and Wemby end up in franchises like San Antonio or Utah rather than some of the other potential teams at the bottom. I would hate to see their talents wasted in incompetent organizations where they’re also just slotted alongside too many other highly drafted players that are equally prioritized.

You might wish that but I can tell you that neither Scoot or Wemby want to end up in franchises like Utah. San Antonio maybe due to their track record, but Utah would be way too boring for a 19 year old
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Re: Game Thread: Wembanyama vs Scoot on ESPN 2/ESPN App 

Post#179 » by HotelVitale » Wed Oct 5, 2022 5:00 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:The thing is Scoot is a smart player. Guys like Rose, Westbrook, and Morant didn’t see the game nearly as well at the same age. It’s such an impressive blend of intelligence and raw physical attributes at 18.


I think Morant was very smart, he went second overall while being a pass first guy on paper, which is somewhat of accomplishment nowadays. He was elite playmaker in college. His scoring has developed in Memphis and it is overshadowing that the kid was smart.
Rose is also pretty smart player, Westbrook - not so much.


I agree on Ja, he's not a CP3 type floor general but he plays space well and manipulates the defense pretty well. Think sometimes we confuse vision with bbiq, but scorers and athletic guys also have to be smart to max their games and I've been really impressed with how Ja has done that over the past year. One of the main reasons he's not just a super athletic Steve Francis-type who can score but not really carry a good team.

Rose always seemed to me to be below average at that stuff, he mostly just hunted for his spots and beat you with athleticism. And Westbrook improved some at manipulating the d (after not being good at it at all early) but he mostly just did the same couple things over and over again. And of course was so bad at shot selection that it overshadowed some of the IQ he showed with both driving/finishing and dishing.
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Re: Game Thread: Wembanyama vs Scoot on ESPN 2/ESPN App 

Post#180 » by yoyoboy » Wed Oct 5, 2022 5:00 pm

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yoyoboy wrote:Also no offense, but I really hope Scoot and Wemby end up in franchises like San Antonio or Utah rather than some of the other potential teams at the bottom. I would hate to see their talents wasted in incompetent organizations where they’re also just slotted alongside too many other highly drafted players that are equally prioritized.


This is how I feel about Mobley landing with the Cavs after they went 1/3 in the lottery the previous three years.


Yeah c'mon yoyoboy, Cavs have had their fair history of bottoming out long terms and getting consistent lottery luck. A lot of #1 picks, similar to the Wolves. I'd hardly call OKC an incompetent organization. Whoever gets Wemby or Scoot, I wish you the best.

Which is why as an outsider fan I wouldn’t have wanted to see Mobley come here either!

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